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Agreed. As I write this, it's Oct 27th, so obviously this isn't happening. I don't think Apple's ever released anything past the first week of November. And I can't remember the last time they released something in January, but it was probably the last year they were involved in Macworld. March seems like the next earliest we could realistically see a major product announcement.

It seems increasingly difficult that Apple will hold an event in October.

But if the release is not imminent, why did Apple include an icon on the newest update to macOS?

But one wonders, then, if a March release would also translates to a processor change. So far, all the October rumours have suggested the larger MBP would arrive with the same chip sets currently available in the 15". But a March release would be a year out from Apple's last processor refresh in the pro line. It would make sense, if new chips were available, to offer a fully upgraded machine with all the bells and whistles. (Assuming, of course, they don't just want to d*ck us and do a body upgrade in March, then a processor upgrade in October so they can milk these incremental upgrades for all their worth, as been their wont in the Cook era.)

Yes, it could. But what about an ARM processor, would that be possible? Apple A13 chip is already surpassing some Intel offerings in benchmarks, and a more powerful version could possibly equip a Mac. And the introduction of a new model could be an opportunity for Apple to do it.

That's how much they cost now, once you get up to 8 cores, 32GB of RAM and a Pro Vega 20. And if you are buying the biggest MBP, those are likely specs you're at least considering. (Whether you can afford all of them is, as ever, another story.)

Well, again, it depends on the use.

Microsoft has just released a Surface Laptop 3 with a 15-inch display. And it starts at $1,199 with a pretty modest configuration. This laptop, as well as other offerings such as LG Gram, target certain consumers who want a thin-and-light laptop and a good battery life without giving up a large screen. Apple is yet to deliver this kind of product, as its 15-inch MacBook Pro is noticeably heavier, due to carrying all this additional power (which also makes it more expensive).

Although I agree that this would probably be the 16-inch MacBook Pro (and not the 16-inch MacBook Air), perhaps the minimum one would consider would not be such a powerful configuration. A 16-inch MacBook Pro with 16 GB of RAM and a Radeon Pro could be a good starting point, even though a higher end configuration could be much more powerful.
 
"But if the release is not imminent, why did Apple include an icon on the newest update to macOS?"

They removed that icons in the new beta. This things that Apple do makes me nervous

Don’t be nervous!

What does this mean? That Apple had inadvertently leaked the new 16-inch MacBook Pro and now it is fixing the mistake? Or that the 16-inch model is being delayed?
 
It seems increasingly difficult that Apple will hold an event in October.

But if the release is not imminent, why did Apple include an icon on the newest update to macOS?


They removed that icons in the new beta. This things that Apple do makes me nervous
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Don’t be nervous!

What does this mean? That Apple had inadvertently leaked the new 16-inch MacBook Pro and now it is fixing the mistake? Or that the 16-inch model is being delayed?

Sorry for the repeated previous reply.

I think the last choice, they delayed the 16"MBP release but in the other hand, I hope be wrong.
 
I am not saying I want cheaper products. I am willing to pay a price that makes sense. I may want a 16-inch laptop and I am willing to pay for that. But perhaps I am not willing to pay for additional RAM, a very powerful video card, or storage that comes standard with this configuration. If it costs $3,000, I may consider it. If it costs $5,000, I will not buy it. Who knows? It has not even been released yet.

It won't start at $5,000, but it will probably be configurable to $5,000.

The current 15-inch MacBook Pro starts at $2,399 and goes up to $5,149.

The new 16-inch? Who knows. Its starting configuration might replace the current $2,799 configuration. Or it might exist entirely alongside all 15-inch models for a while.

If Apple decides to charge a million dollars for a new 16-inch MacBook Pro, perhaps there would still be some Apple evangelist willing to justify the price tag, even if not able to buy one.

Maybe, but since that won't happen, it doesn't matter.

Microsoft has just released a Surface Laptop 3 with a 15-inch display. And it starts at $1,199 with a pretty modest configuration. This laptop, as well as other offerings such as LG Gram, target certain consumers who want a thin-and-light laptop and a good battery life without giving up a large screen. Apple is yet to deliver this kind of product, as its 15-inch MacBook Pro is noticeably heavier, due to carrying all this additional power (which also makes it more expensive).

The Surface Laptop 3 does start at a much lower price point than the MacBook Pro. It should be noted that it also stays at lower specs; the Mac's CPU even at the lowest config is 28% faster in single-core and 103% faster in multi-core. You also cannot configure the Surface Laptop 3 with more than 16 GB RAM (MacBook Pro: 32 GB, which I find is still not enough) or more than 512 GB of internal storage (MacBook Pro: 4 TB, although at yikes-y pricing). Therefore, the Surface Laptop 3 is simply not an adequate substitute for mid-end much less high-end usage of the MacBook Pro.

As for "noticeably heavier", are you sure you would notice an 18% difference that much?

Anyway, no, Apple doesn't currently offer a larger low-end laptop, and never really has, and they're certainly not going to start with this particular (presumed) model. And maybe they should.

But this rumored model? It will be a very-high-end laptop, which is exactly what many people are clamoring for.
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They removed that icons in the new beta. This things that Apple do makes me nervous

It doesn't have to mean much. New Mac models often ship with their own custom macOS build.

My guess is the original plan was to ship the 16-inch MBP before 10.15.1, meaning it would have shipped with a post-10.15.0 build, but also meaning that, once 10.15.1 comes out, 16-inch MBP support is already included.

Then they expedited 10.15.1 (seems they'd have plenty of reasons to), meaning the regular 10.15.1 build no longer needs to include 16-inch MBP support, but rather that it would ship with a post-10.15.1 build.

They almost certainly didn't come up with this graphic then scrap a hardware project. It could be delayed all the way to, like, February. Who knows. (I'd really like to buy one ASAP; my late-2013 model is getting long in the tooth. But I'd rather they get it right.)
 
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Rumors are rampant that tomorrow (Tuesday) there will be an announcement of new AirPods and a 16" Macbook Pro

I am only the messenger, not the source.
 
That would make sense, perfect time for the beginning for the run to Holiday sales. When i worked at target, I can't tell you how many Beats headphones i sold. It was crazy, and if Apple has new headphones they will be the hot Christmas gift. I need a new laptop so i will be getting a new 16in if it is released.
 
That would make sense, perfect time for the beginning for the run to Holiday sales. When i worked at target, I can't tell you how many Beats headphones i sold. It was crazy, and if Apple has new headphones they will be the hot Christmas gift. I need a new laptop so i will be getting a new 16in if it is released.

I am cautious about that rumor but that's what is circulating
 
hmm makes me wonder if there is a $300 price drop on Macbook pro 15 in models right now if Apple is clearing out the inventory so they can introduce the new 16in model before Christmas. I am sure Apple has such a good control of inventory they could have stop production months ago an have been building inventory of the 16in to replace the 15in and are getting ready for the launch. Even if someone gets the 15in the $300 off will pay for Applecare if you have a keyboard frailer and needs replacement. I am sure some people hardly use the keyboard on the unit and use a good USB keyboard on the desktop.
 
Oh, cool. You got this information directly from Apple?

Because you are coming across with enough arrogance that SURELY you have information the rest of us do not.

Please tell us your source.

I ask because of last year's data which shows event invites going out four days prior to the keynote. That would bring us to this Friday.

Even if there is no event, there is enough evidence out there that the 16" MBP has been in production. There's even an icon of it hidden in the new beta of Catalina.

But obviously you have information none of us do, so please, spill it...
Rumors are rampant that tomorrow (Tuesday) there will be an announcement of new AirPods and a 16" Macbook Pro

I am only the messenger, not the source.

So NJRonbo, you got a source for these rumors or what?? Physician, heal thyself.
 
Rumors are rampant that tomorrow (Tuesday) there will be an announcement of new AirPods and a 16" Macbook Pro

I am only the messenger, not the source.

The AirPods Pro have just been announced. Perhaps Apple will announce the 16-inch MacBook Pro sometime this week. No event, though. Tim Cook does not seem adept to the showbiz...
 
So NJRonbo, you got a source for these rumors or what?? Physician, heal thyself.

I came out from the getgo and said THIS IS A RUMOR. I never, ever said it was definitive.

If you are the guy that came out a few days ago and said, definitively, Airpods would launch this week you were right...

...but when you say DEFINITIVELY you better have a source. Otherwise, you are going to be questioned -- and there was no answer.

Without cross-checking...

If you were the guy that did say DEFINITIVELY in his post, tell us if the 16" MBP will be announced this week as well.


Here is a word of advice...

Don't come into these forums telling people definitively that a product is or isn't going to be released on a certain date and then expect not to get blowback.

Nobody knows anything unless they are getting information direct from Apple.

If you are, and can't say that, just say "from a credible source" and leave it at that.

Don't get pissed when people criticize the authenticity of your definitive statements.
 
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Here's hoping something 15 or 16inch MBP happens this week. Whether it's better internal specs (please an 8GB GPU) or an all new machine that ships in 3 weeks either way I'm still hoping something.

If they just did a minor bump with a better GPU I'd pull the trigger. I wonder if this week will be an announcement each day like we had a few years back ie: Updated iMac, updated MBP specs, etc. Just examples from a previous year.
 
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The AirPods Pro have just been announced. Perhaps Apple will announce the 16-inch MacBook Pro sometime this week. No event, though. Tim Cook does not seem adept to the showbiz...

do you think? I don’t. Announce a item today then announce another product tomorrow makes no sense (for me). Anyway, we can wait if the announce of MP comes together with the MBP16. It maybe makes sense
 
do you think? I don’t. Announce a item today then announce another product tomorrow makes no sense (for me). Anyway, we can wait if the announce of MP comes together with the MBP16. It maybe makes sens
It is possible the 16" MBPs are out for embargoed review, or Apple will hold a briefing soon on them.
 
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I *think* Apple did three days of press releases last year. There is still a chance for an MBP announcement.

And, sure, they could be embargoed.
 
I *think* Apple did three days of press releases last year. There is still a chance for an MBP announcement.

And, sure, they could be embargoed.

Seems like Apple like to group there product releases. Today is mobile device stuff, the new Air Pod Pro's and and the new IOS. Tomorrow could be all about their computer line. Like we are starting the order processor for the Mac Pro and the new 16in Macbook pro and a new version of Catalina. We will have to wait and see............
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They kind of learned a lesson over the years not to bombard the Apple store servers with a ton of orders for multiple products. Remember the days that some country's had wait for the US to get the product first and then a month later they could get the product. Now everyone in the world pretty much gets the product at the same time. I would not want to put up three new products at the same time to overload the servers :)
 
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Seems like Apple like to group there product releases. Today is mobile device stuff, the new Air Pod Pro's and and the new IOS. Tomorrow could be all about their computer line. Like we are starting the order processor for the Mac Pro and the new 16in Macbook pro and a new version of Catalina. We will have to wait and see............
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They kind of learned a lesson over the years not to bombard the Apple store servers with a ton of orders for multiple products. Remember the days that some country's had wait for the US to get the product first and then a month later they could get the product. Now everyone in the world pretty much gets the product at the same time. I would not want to put up three new products at the same time to overload the servers :)

I was thinking the same thing. Why bombard your server for a slew of new products all in one day.

Why not do individual announcements on separate days.

Let's hope tomorrow is MBP day!
 
I was thinking the same thing. Why bombard your server for a slew of new products all in one day.

Why not do individual announcements on separate days.

Let's hope tomorrow is MBP day!
I think that tomorrow is the best day to do it. Might be time for a new work laptop if the price is under $3k
 
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I think that tomorrow is the best day to do it. Might be time for a new work laptop if the price is under $3k

I need a new computer also, my 10 year old Mac Pro died 3 months ago and have been deciding between a Mac Pro and a Macbook Pro. I can afford ether one. But the MacPro would sit at home while i am at work. The Macbook pro could come with me to work and be more cost effective for me. Maybe someday when i retire i will get a Mac Pro again when i have more time to spend with it. Going to get a Razor Chroma box and put in a Vega 64 card that i purchased for my old Mac Pro when it died.
 
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Are you kidding me? Who in their right mind would buy this, let alone anyone here on the MacRumors forums has enough cash to buy this?

Not everyone needs a macbook pro. If you can't afford it, buy a macbook air or imac 21'' 1080p
 
I think as airpods 2 require 10.15.1 and it wasn’t announced yesterday, tells me that the 10.15.1 has 16inch macbook pro leaks in it. I think today is the day for the 16 inch MacBook Pro and 10.15.1. Who knows..
 
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