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Right, but you don't need to test it in three VM's at the same time do you? All at once?

I don't. I've also never run three VMs at a time, I believe; not sure why you'd bring that up. I do occasionally run two, and even just running one frequently causes resource starvation.

I don't need more performance. Nobody needs the performance of an iMac Pro either. I can get by with what I have. But I'm willing to plunk three grand on a machine that offers more. Apple isn't offering that.

I mean you can only check whats happening one at a time and they fire up and shut down in seconds with a fast SSD so RAM isn't really the issue there.

I'm so glad you seem to know so much about what my work is like. You could practically replace me — maybe for the price of a new MBP?

You clearly don't want a more powerful machine. Good for you. Why keep bringing it up?

I mean i'm sure there will be a 32gb machine for you at some point, but I think you'll be wasting the $600-$800 premium it'll cost to have it in real working terms.

How is that a waste? I keep MBPs for roughly four years. That's $63 a month, which is laughable compared to other costs.
 
I don't. I've also never run three VMs at a time, I believe; not sure why you'd bring that up. I do occasionally run two, and even just running one frequently causes resource starvation.

I don't need more performance. Nobody needs the performance of an iMac Pro either. I can get by with what I have. But I'm willing to plunk three grand on a machine that offers more. Apple isn't offering that.



I'm so glad you seem to know so much about what my work is like. You could practically replace me — maybe for the price of a new MBP?

You clearly don't want a more powerful machine. Good for you. Why keep bringing it up?



How is that a waste? I keep MBPs for roughly four years. That's $63 a month, which is laughable compared to other costs.

There's no need to be so defensive bud, i'm trying to have a pleasant discussion with you on, i'm not making smarmy remarks about you. I'm genuinely interested in someones usage where they think the 32gb would help that's all.

Again NOT telling you what to do etc, perhaps my tone isn't coming over very well in text. But have you compared the costs to keeping for four years, against selling after a year or two. I've changed to upgrading with every model as by the time i've factored in discounts and the like I usually make a profit doing this, but even without discounts I imagine the losses would be smaller than having to sell the four year model and buy new at that point.

I definitely think some people can max out the iMac Pro though - I mean the Vegas will max out on Final Cut Pro X export but you're right, exporting even 50% quicker isn't really going to change anyones life, it'll be 20 seconds instead of 40 seconds. I think it helps audio engineers more than anyone though, those cores really provide a lot more real time grunt which means you can use more plugins without having to bounce down offline, this is a real genuine time saver.

...on the other hand audio guys have no need for the Vega, even the bassline one is far too much power as there isn't any audio stuff that makes use of the GPU processing, it's all CPU based.

I'm willing to be proven wrong on a 32gb MacBook Pro though when it arrives if it does do day to day stuff faster as I have to admit my iMac is much faster than the MacBook Pro even at simple things - and yet the SSD is the same, the processor isn't hugely different - it just has more ram. If it causes the system to breathe a bit more like that it would be well worth the extra money I agree.
 
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There's no need to be so defensive bud, i'm trying to have a pleasant discussion with you on, i'm not making smarmy remarks about you. I'm genuinely interested in someones usage where they think the 32gb would help that's all.

Again NOT telling you what to do etc, perhaps my tone isn't coming over very well in text.

Re-reading your posts, I guess I've been overreacting. But I do feel a little bit like you're suggesting that my use case is invalid. A few examples:

If/when it happens I wouldn't bother getting a 32gb MacBook Pro anyway, it's not necessary, you've really got to be doing insane amounts of stuff on the move to use up 32gb and by that point you'd probably be on 30 minutes battery life.

we've had enough CPU headroom for 99% of users for years.

What I'm doing isn't "insane", and when I regularly reach full CPU usage, I wouldn't call that "headroom".

But have you compared the costs to keeping for four years, against selling after a year or two.

I could do that, but I don't really see how that changes things. Yes, I'd already have a faster SSD, and yes, I'd already benefit from the changes between Haswell and Kaby Lake.

But it wouldn't change at all that my late 2013 model has 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, and the current model only changes that to 2133 MHz, but still 16 GB.

The memory usage in Activity Monitor doesn't lie, and my scenarios aren't contrived. I'm not bashing Apple here either; I've been rather defensive of them, for the most part.

But an option for 32 GB RAM would help me. Consider that Apple's top-end mobile offering tops out at 16 GB RAM, but their top-end desktop offering at 128 GB. That's a discrepancy of eight times. In fact, the latter (iMac Pro) starts at 32 GB!

Yes, the blame is in part on Intel for being laggards in implementing LPDDR4. But other vendors have handled this. I can get a mobile workstation from Dell or HP today that will offer me more RAM. Will its battery life be that terrible? I'm not even convinced about that. Will it be heavier and thicker? Sure. But I'm not buying a MacBook Air. The priority is in high-end specs.

I've changed to upgrading with every model as by the time i've factored in discounts and the like I usually make a profit doing this, but even without discounts I imagine the losses would be smaller than having to sell the four year model and buy new at that point.

That's absolutely an option, but for various reasons (including tax), a less-than-three-year cycle is actually not ideal for computers in Germany.

I definitely think some people can max out the iMac Pro though - I mean the Vegas will max out on Final Cut Pro X export but you're right, exporting even 50% quicker isn't really going to change anyones life, it'll be 20 seconds instead of 40 seconds. I think it helps audio engineers more than anyone though, those cores really provide a lot more real time grunt which means you can use more plugins without having to bounce down offline, this is a real genuine time saver.

Right.

Here's the thing: I don't care if a release build of my app takes two hours. Those are scheduled anyway; release notes need to be written; etc.

What does make a difference is the debug/test cycle. Can I quickly look at a bug? Or does even just initializing the environment take several minutes? And in the latter case, will I really bother?

...on the other hand audio guys have no need for the Vega, even the bassline one is far too much power as there isn't any audio stuff that makes use of the GPU processing, it's all CPU based.

FWIW, the GPU basically doesn't matter to me at all, with one exception: Haswell's Iris Pro is actually too slow for a VM to run at Retina resolutions with an acceptable framerate (it only reaches ~10 fps). (My model doesn't have a dedicated GPU.) So I can't test high-DPI stuff well, and the newer models would certainly help with that.

I'm willing to be proven wrong on a 32gb MacBook Pro though when it arrives if it does do day to day stuff faster as I have to admit my iMac is much faster than the MacBook Pro even at simple things - and yet the SSD is the same, the processor isn't hugely different - it just has more ram. If it causes the system to breathe a bit more like that it would be well worth the extra money I agree.

Yup!
 
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Apple refreshes much of its product lineup on an annual basis, and a new report reveals when that process may begin this year.

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Taiwanese website DigiTimes first claims some suppliers are poised to benefit from new or increased orders from Apple to help produce next-generation iPad, MacBook, and Apple Watch models at some point in 2018:The report then replaces Apple Watch with iPhone in the sentence, and says the new products are slated for debut starting in March:The timeframe could simply be a guess based on Apple's new product releases last year. In 2017, the company announced a lower-cost 9.7-inch iPad in March by way of press release, alongside (PRODUCT)RED edition iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models, and larger 32GB and 128GB storage capacities for iPhone SE.

As a boilerplate disclaimer, DigiTimes does not have a perfect track record. The publication has shared inaccurate information about both what is coming and when on Apple's roadmap, including last year's prediction that Apple would unveil its 10.5-inch iPad Pro at an April event that never transpired.

If the report is accurate, the iPad lineup is likely the most ideal candidate for product refreshes as early as March. The launch of new iPhone and Apple Watch models now seems tied together in September, while Apple hasn't unveiled new notebooks in March since the Early 2015 model 13-inch MacBook Pro.

Apple could also unveil a second-generation iPhone SE in March, which marks the two-year anniversary of the budget device, but KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo recently cast some doubt on this possibility.

Article Link: DigiTimes Predicts Apple's First New Products of 2018 Could Debut Starting in March Like Last Year

I suspect we'll see convergence; an all new product called the iMacBook AirPro Mini SE X Pod Home, (no, not SEX, it's Special Edition TEN...) which will be a space-gray, rose-gold, or new Cobalt-Blue (which inexplicably will be metallic sea-foam green in color,) with dual screens; one touch, with electromagnetic repulsion creating the sensation of physical buttons where there are none, on the "Lap Pad" portion of the device. It will hinge through 360 degrees, allowing it to be used as a tablet, or a laptop, or a giant coaster. It will feature an all Corning Gorilla Sapphire Boron-Silicon-Aluminum (but somehow arsenic-free) Glass III chassis, be able to withstand a ten foot drop onto concrete from any angle with no protective case, but only if it's dry; it will also be able to tolerate immersion into water, salt or fresh, for up to 30 minutes at a depth of up to 3 meters, but only if the Calendar app is running at the time of immersion, or if within five minutes of first contact with water, the Apple Music app is playing any song or video by the band U2.

The screens will be all OLED and every surface will be capable of lighting up, with a display resolution of 9K at 240Hz refresh, putting out sufficient light to read a book by from 20 feet away; at a mere 9 ounces, and at only 3.7mm 'thin,' (while closed,) it will be the thinnest and lightest tablet/full-function computer Apple has ever made. They will come with Terabit WiFi, Wireless Gigabit Ethernet, (don't ask me how,) USB=D+II ports, capable of driving ThunderBlast (TM) data connections at distances of up to 18 kilometers.

They will naturally have no headphone jacks, or charging ports, as they will charge using wireless technology, and come pre-loaded with every song, video, and podcast in Apple's cloud, and run on a new thing called, "iMacOS-X-i" and will feature such hardcore internals as 64 core (is ANYONE still reading this?) A999 chips, limitless RAM and SSD storage, and sadly, though they'll retail for only $978.99 each in the US, they only plan to make 7 of them, and they've all already been bought.

As Apple products, they are designed to bind to their owners' DNA sequences, and will self-destruct if anyone else even attempts to use them. (Okay, this started off intended to be a serious post, but turned into a joke as I tried to speculate about what they've actually got up their sleeves, in frustration over the fact that every time I buy anything from Apple, they end up making it obsolete in short order, REALLY frustrating me unbearably.)

*All kidding aside, I expect that IF they introduce a new MacBook Air, aimed at a more-entry-level-market, they'll do to it rather like what they did with the MacMini, only more so. Meaning the new version will replace the old one entirely, seeing it therefore discontinued, they'll stream-line it by ripping out the headphone jack, and one or both USB jacks, and give it a grand-total of ONE USB-C jack. They'll probably replace the keyboard with one more like the new 12" MacBook has, (which I don't personally like; I need to be able to feel the keys, otherwise, it's not REALLY touch-typing, now is it?) and all the upgrade options for the MBA will go away; no upgraded processor or memory or storage, oh, and the SD card slot? Yeah, probably kiss THAT goodbye.*
 
My only wish is that the have gotten rid of these "scissor mechanism" keyboards, both on the MacBook lineup as well as the standalone keyboards. They're an abomination for people who type all day long. It's like typing on a concrete bar.


They went from scissor to butterfly is what you mean.
I also don't think the mechanism is the problem, the key travel is. Butterfly's steel domes combined with Magic Keyboard like key travel would be a dream.
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it was leaked tho. It's supposed to be even the same socket as the current i7.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Detai...ore-Intel-Core-i7-8700HQ-emerge.272840.0.html

then there's the i9 as well
https://fossbytes.com/intel-core-i9-laptop-processor-leaked-details/

both are 6core.

very likely apple already knows what's up. Very likely it wont be in march. Waiting for the hexacore continues...

edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_Lake_(microarchitecture)

apparently intel already ships cannonlake mobile CPUs to vendors.


I always thought Kaby Lake G with Radeon, Core, and HBM2 combined on one EMIB would be a shoe-in for the 15", before Cannon came out. Then the Cannon Lake version of the G package later.

https://techreport.com/news/32792/intel-brings-a-core-cpu-and-radeon-gpu-together-on-one-package

https://techreport.com/news/33084/dell-squeezes-kaby-lake-g-into-its-slim-xps-15-2-in-1
 
Kaby Lake G makes sense for a new $1,999 15-incher to bring prices down a little again after the Skylake increase. Before Skylake, Apple had Iris Pro models and Iris Pro + Radeon ones. With Iris Pro gone, they’re now all-Radeon. This might be the compromise they were waiting for.

The higher models will probably go with Coffee Lake H instead.
 
Kaby Lake G makes sense for a new $1,999 15-incher to bring prices down a little again after the Skylake increase. Before Skylake, Apple had Iris Pro models and Iris Pro + Radeon ones. With Iris Pro gone, they’re now all-Radeon. This might be the compromise they were waiting for.

The higher models will probably go with Coffee Lake H instead.


The G package isn't cheaper, it's more expensive. The EMIB is expensive to produce and it's combined with HBM2 which is more expensive than GDDR5, and with the dedicated AMD GPU as well.

It's essentially boiling down the Core + Radeon combo already in the 15", into a smaller single package, with higher bandwidth memory.
 
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