For system admin work in a large organisation, it can be convenient to plug an external drive in containing bootable images and diagnostics. Of course as previously pointed out, firewire devices are daisy-chainable and most will have 2 firewire ports, one to connect and one to daisy-chain. Having only a single port on the Mac Mini shouldn't be a hindrance, plus FW400 is pretty standard. I'm kind of glad the original poster doesn't work in my office although he sounds a little like our sysadmins, lots of bluster and little knowledge. I'm not sure why a "large corporate" would need external 7200 rpm drives, large corporates tend to do word processing/spreadsheets/email, 4200 rpm drives are more than adequate. Oh wait, silly me, it's a troll, never mind, nothing to see here, move along.Blue Velvet said:
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DigiTimes Reports PowerBook G5 and iBook G5 Contracts
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Apple has most always provided the best product for the price. Microsoft users seem to prefer the argument that is hardware biased lately, perhaps always. Sure, PC users may get more gadgets for the same price but if you are going to try and prove a point here, while expecting to be taken seriously, please keep in mind the software advantages that Apple now has to offer. It seems to me that PC hardware manufacturers would win if they used Mac software. Which would not be an entirely bad thing.
Apple has always been more than just hardware. Apples software is the icing on the cake. To be taken seriously, don't forget the fact that OSX and it's Apps far exceed what windows has to offer. Especially now.
Have you ever wondered why Microsoft, with so much market share, seems to be constantly following Apples lead when it comes to software?
Sure, take the Kia over the Honda, to use a car analogy. You'll get more features, but you'll also pay more in the long run for the sub-Apple quality of the product you are buying while also needing to replace it sooner.
When Longtooth is finally available, tell me why it was worth the wait.
Really, reward competition and reward yourselves. It may be going against the grain, but if change weren't good we would never have gotten to where we are today. Especially when the alternative is offering so much.
What is the advantage in rewarding MS right now? they really haven't done anything noteworthy in 20 years have they? 10 years ago they introduced Windows '95. Everything since has been what?
And for current Apple users, especially the Powerbook users, the iBook does matter. So complaining about a G5 iBook being introduced with the G5 Powerbook is silly. The Powerbook is always going to be better. But not everyone needs everything a Powerbook offers. That doesn't mean that the iBook should be stuck with a G4 that is going to hurt sales. Was Apple wrong for introducing the G5 iMac? no. Is it a Powermac? no. But it's definately a good reason to go beyond the Mini Mac, even if it does not match the PowerMac lineup.
The best products at reasonable prices. Lately, I see buying a PC as being comaprable to buying a Maybach that has a Yugo engine. Lots of nice features but the engine sucks. Be a smart consumer, take everything into consideration and then tell me why Apple is doomed.
Apple has always been more than just hardware. Apples software is the icing on the cake. To be taken seriously, don't forget the fact that OSX and it's Apps far exceed what windows has to offer. Especially now.
Have you ever wondered why Microsoft, with so much market share, seems to be constantly following Apples lead when it comes to software?
Sure, take the Kia over the Honda, to use a car analogy. You'll get more features, but you'll also pay more in the long run for the sub-Apple quality of the product you are buying while also needing to replace it sooner.
When Longtooth is finally available, tell me why it was worth the wait.
Really, reward competition and reward yourselves. It may be going against the grain, but if change weren't good we would never have gotten to where we are today. Especially when the alternative is offering so much.
What is the advantage in rewarding MS right now? they really haven't done anything noteworthy in 20 years have they? 10 years ago they introduced Windows '95. Everything since has been what?
And for current Apple users, especially the Powerbook users, the iBook does matter. So complaining about a G5 iBook being introduced with the G5 Powerbook is silly. The Powerbook is always going to be better. But not everyone needs everything a Powerbook offers. That doesn't mean that the iBook should be stuck with a G4 that is going to hurt sales. Was Apple wrong for introducing the G5 iMac? no. Is it a Powermac? no. But it's definately a good reason to go beyond the Mini Mac, even if it does not match the PowerMac lineup.
The best products at reasonable prices. Lately, I see buying a PC as being comaprable to buying a Maybach that has a Yugo engine. Lots of nice features but the engine sucks. Be a smart consumer, take everything into consideration and then tell me why Apple is doomed.
3Memos said:
No, the G5 (PowerPC 970/FX)
1) has the same register layout, but each register is 64bits in size, rather than 32bit
2) has two (rather than one) scalar floating point pipelines.
3) a BANDWIDTHMONSTER(tm) front side bus. (10GB/s PER PROCESSOR)
4) is heavily designed for out-of-order execution (216 instructions in flight at once, peak)
the G4 has
1) a slightly more efficient per clock Altivec implementation, that gets completely slaughtered anyway because
2) a 167Mhz FSB (1.3GB/s)
3) one scalar floating point pipeline
4) is very limited on OOOE resources, 16 instructions in flight, peak
the 74xx and 970 series processors are VERY different in everything but the instructions they run.
To continue with premium prices, iBook should have G5
If Apple intends to continue with prices for the iBook that are in the mid to high performance range for the PC market, then putting a G5 in the iBook makes sense. I don't believe that Apple would want to lower the price of the iBooks to better justify the price/performance to potential customers. Instead, it would make more sense for Apple to increase the perceived performance by adding the G5 and therefore increase the price/performance of the product to better position it against the competition. The frequency and bus speed of the G4 is not looking good in comparison to what can be purchased for the same price in the PC notebook market. The bus speed of the Pentium M is about to move up to 533MHz, so the 200MHz bus of the upcoming G4 will look paltry in comparison.
Apple could still differentiate the 12" PowerBook and iBook enough to justify paying more for the PowerBook.
If Apple intends to continue with prices for the iBook that are in the mid to high performance range for the PC market, then putting a G5 in the iBook makes sense. I don't believe that Apple would want to lower the price of the iBooks to better justify the price/performance to potential customers. Instead, it would make more sense for Apple to increase the perceived performance by adding the G5 and therefore increase the price/performance of the product to better position it against the competition. The frequency and bus speed of the G4 is not looking good in comparison to what can be purchased for the same price in the PC notebook market. The bus speed of the Pentium M is about to move up to 533MHz, so the 200MHz bus of the upcoming G4 will look paltry in comparison.
Apple could still differentiate the 12" PowerBook and iBook enough to justify paying more for the PowerBook.
Would Apple really release an iBook G5 before an eMac G5?
Surely there is a demand for the eMac G5 since alot of education authorities use the G4 eMac and probably wanting to upgrade.
Surely there is a demand for the eMac G5 since alot of education authorities use the G4 eMac and probably wanting to upgrade.
G5 iBook in 2nd qtr seems quite feasible
Releasing G5 iBooks and PowerBooks at the same time seems quite plausible in that the G5s bus speed can run at 1/3 the processors frequency. So, a PowerBook could be at say 1.8GHz with a 666MHz bus and the iBook could run at 1.5GHz with a 533MHz bus. That would help justify the price premium for the PowerBook and also help Apple's notebooks better compete on price/performance against the upcoming 533MHz bus speed of the Pentium-M.
The G4 will go to over 1.5GHz in the next few months, but the bus speed will be limited to 200MHz. That does not look good when competing against Pentium processors that have 400MHz-533MHz bus speeds. Moving the iBooks to a G5 with a 533MHz bus would make them much more attractive to ppotential customers and the price difference for the processors should be neglible for Apple.
Releasing G5 iBooks and PowerBooks at the same time seems quite plausible in that the G5s bus speed can run at 1/3 the processors frequency. So, a PowerBook could be at say 1.8GHz with a 666MHz bus and the iBook could run at 1.5GHz with a 533MHz bus. That would help justify the price premium for the PowerBook and also help Apple's notebooks better compete on price/performance against the upcoming 533MHz bus speed of the Pentium-M.
The G4 will go to over 1.5GHz in the next few months, but the bus speed will be limited to 200MHz. That does not look good when competing against Pentium processors that have 400MHz-533MHz bus speeds. Moving the iBooks to a G5 with a 533MHz bus would make them much more attractive to ppotential customers and the price difference for the processors should be neglible for Apple.
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Wasn't this a Page 2 story on Friday? I did not read every single post in this thread, but was there an update or new info that got this story promoted from page 2 to page 1? At the close of business on Friday this story was regarded as a typo by the generally unreliable DigiTimes. Also, over the years, the rumors from the manufacturers have been pretty low quality-- remember the g5 imac rumors from the fall of 2003?
Wasn't this a Page 2 story on Friday? I did not read every single post in this thread, but was there an update or new info that got this story promoted from page 2 to page 1? At the close of business on Friday this story was regarded as a typo by the generally unreliable DigiTimes. Also, over the years, the rumors from the manufacturers have been pretty low quality-- remember the g5 imac rumors from the fall of 2003?
pcdoctor said:
asus has been around for quite a while
their motherboards have been one of the better brands for quite a while too...good on them, make some sweet stuff for Apple. Asus laptops are pretty good looking too, if you've seen the latest models...
but not as great as a Ti or Alu PowerBook... G5!!!
3Memos said:
Asustek is like the formal computer name, like "Apple Computers"
Asus is like the common brand name, like Apple or Mac
Not saying that Asus=Apple in anyway
3Memos said:
Isn't that what Exposé is for...? I think 1024x768 is the sweet spot for the 12" screens. If you need a bigger screen (with a higher resolution) you should get a 15"/17" Powerbook... A bit better resolution on the 14" might be nice, though, but I would still go for the 12" for portability.
<crossing fingers>A 12" iBook G5@1.2-1.4GHz with a 300-350MHz FSB and 256+512 MB RAM and preinstalled Tiger, with the same solid casing would be a perfect replacement for my 12" iBook G4@800MHz this summer, and probably still be relativly cool and at the same price as the current line.</crossing fingers>
I don't get my hopes too high, though. I think Apple's having a hard time getting those hot little G5-babies into the form factor of the PowerBooks and the iBooks, but to say that the plastic in the iBooks would melt and therefore only the metal PowerBooks could get G5s are kind of stupid. If the processor (and other hardware) could melt an iBook casing the equally hot PowerBook would set fire to your sofa, not to mention the damage it would do to someones lap. Not very likely.
Merely another rumour!
The Portable G5 is going to take place during 2005, the reasons:
Pentium with 533mhz FSB and without the megahertz myth getting dragged up the Mobile Pentiums are running at something like 2.2Ghz now. There are going to be major shifts in both PC and Mac world during 2005.
Tiger 10.4 Release - I expect Apple will want their pro-range portables to be running in 64-bits for the new OS. G5 power, more memory but more to do with marketing and making money than anything else.
Increased memory in laptops, bigger memory chips?
With 2005 being the year of HD, it is likely we are going to see advances in the PowerBook and the PowerMac also. Motion requires 512mb of memory (1Gb if possible), larger amounts of memory are an increasing trend with music/video/Digital content creation.
Stupid unwarranted quotes about the G5 being the mother of all thermal challenges, like we didn't know. Why are you trying to force us into buying G4 stock?
The PBook life cycle. It took 2 years to get a G4 into portable form, I don't think the G5 will exceed that and the 2 year deadline is fast approaching. The new IBM facility is probably gearing up to start switching to G5 in most of Apples computers (eMac and PowerBook followed by iBook at the end of 2005?).
These are all part predictions and part facts/info from other sources, but that's all these 'RUMOUR' forums are about. It's just quite annoying sometimes to see the cynics on these threads when Apple are an amazing company and very capable of releasing a portable G5 within 2 years of the chips initial release (WWDC05).
All I can say is Apple know what they are doing and everyones gonna be satisfied whatever they release. They are due to upgrade the PowerBooks very soon (G4 Revision on Tuesday, G5 at WWDC?
The Portable G5 is going to take place during 2005, the reasons:
Pentium with 533mhz FSB and without the megahertz myth getting dragged up the Mobile Pentiums are running at something like 2.2Ghz now. There are going to be major shifts in both PC and Mac world during 2005.
Tiger 10.4 Release - I expect Apple will want their pro-range portables to be running in 64-bits for the new OS. G5 power, more memory but more to do with marketing and making money than anything else.
Increased memory in laptops, bigger memory chips?
With 2005 being the year of HD, it is likely we are going to see advances in the PowerBook and the PowerMac also. Motion requires 512mb of memory (1Gb if possible), larger amounts of memory are an increasing trend with music/video/Digital content creation.
Stupid unwarranted quotes about the G5 being the mother of all thermal challenges, like we didn't know. Why are you trying to force us into buying G4 stock?
The PBook life cycle. It took 2 years to get a G4 into portable form, I don't think the G5 will exceed that and the 2 year deadline is fast approaching. The new IBM facility is probably gearing up to start switching to G5 in most of Apples computers (eMac and PowerBook followed by iBook at the end of 2005?).
These are all part predictions and part facts/info from other sources, but that's all these 'RUMOUR' forums are about. It's just quite annoying sometimes to see the cynics on these threads when Apple are an amazing company and very capable of releasing a portable G5 within 2 years of the chips initial release (WWDC05).
All I can say is Apple know what they are doing and everyones gonna be satisfied whatever they release. They are due to upgrade the PowerBooks very soon (G4 Revision on Tuesday, G5 at WWDC?
Hmm... I'm still kinda leaning towards the fact that it's a typo... I mean unless these guys have absolutely no knowledge of the importance of a G5 laptop, wouldn't they have mentioned something about this? It's been a huge topic since the G5 Powermac came out, possibly the most heavily-awaited product in Apple's history
::yet they say nothing...::
::yet they say nothing...::
Apple does have a problem because the high end iBooks are eating into the 12in PB sales. We sell a lot of laptops and most of them are iBooks, people see them as a better value. Maybe the G5 is referring to generation 5, this could be an internal reference to a product update, but I doubt its a G5.
Although since I'm going off to college this year I would love a G5 PB
Although since I'm going off to college this year I would love a G5 PB
pigwin32 said:
When was MOSR even close of being accurate? If the Powerbooks don't get updated within the next 3 weeks, I will be suspicous of something is happening to the Pbook line. The last batch of Powerbook G3's were around for more then a year and then the G4 showed up. Also, if the Powerbooks aren't updated within those 3 weeks that shows me why is there a big problem with a simple G4 update? Are the 7447B really giving freescale problems?
Macmaniac said:Apple does have a problem because the high end iBooks are eating into the 12in PB sales. We sell a lot of laptops and most of them are iBooks, people see them as a better value. Maybe the G5 is referring to generation 5, this could be an internal reference to a product update, but I doubt its a G5.
Although since I'm going off to college this year I would love a G5 PB
This is why i am surprised to see iB G5s mentioned for such an early sale. I would have expected them to come next year at the earliest. I would have expected the iBs to have dual core for two years before going to the G5.
- Just a couple points.
- Every release of a new OS from Apple also comes with a new release of the GCC compiler. Apple, then, releases these changes to the open source community. IBM has a new compiler for the G5 chip. The GCC compiler still has room for improvement. So, we can expect that the next OS will be faster across-the-board for the G4 and G5. ( Well, that's my opinion anyway. )
- Apple may have some contractual arrangement with IBM to use so many of the G5 chips. So, a Powerbook G5 might come before a Dual-Core Powerbook. IBM, should be directing, at least their AIX( Unix ) developers to buy Apple Powerbooks, with the release of a G5 Powerbook.
- When I compare a G4 1.5 to the G5 1.8 in the IMac, the G4 holds up well, except for the FSB. But, the new DualCore chip should have a much faster bus.
- I personally Still Hope to see a Dual-Core G4 Powerbook for sale.
- Question: Does Apple sell enough laptops, now, to come out with Both?
A Dual-Core G4 Extreme Powerbook and a single Core G5 Powerbook?
Although I can't understand why you'd want a single core G5 over a dual-core G4, the G5 advocates are still moaning for one. So, Apple, if you can, sell both.
- Every release of a new OS from Apple also comes with a new release of the GCC compiler. Apple, then, releases these changes to the open source community. IBM has a new compiler for the G5 chip. The GCC compiler still has room for improvement. So, we can expect that the next OS will be faster across-the-board for the G4 and G5. ( Well, that's my opinion anyway. )
- Apple may have some contractual arrangement with IBM to use so many of the G5 chips. So, a Powerbook G5 might come before a Dual-Core Powerbook. IBM, should be directing, at least their AIX( Unix ) developers to buy Apple Powerbooks, with the release of a G5 Powerbook.
- When I compare a G4 1.5 to the G5 1.8 in the IMac, the G4 holds up well, except for the FSB. But, the new DualCore chip should have a much faster bus.
- I personally Still Hope to see a Dual-Core G4 Powerbook for sale.
- Question: Does Apple sell enough laptops, now, to come out with Both?
A Dual-Core G4 Extreme Powerbook and a single Core G5 Powerbook?
Although I can't understand why you'd want a single core G5 over a dual-core G4, the G5 advocates are still moaning for one. So, Apple, if you can, sell both.
Apple likes throwing smoke screens all the time ... at first they downplayed flash iPods, said they wouldn't go into sub 800 PC's: now ... iPod Shuffle and mac mini. All of a sudden, mother of all thermal challenges is suddenly solved and G5 notebooks soon? End of Q2 is about WWDC. 2005 will be a year to remember for macheads.
oh ... Steve downplayed an Apple PDA ... will that emerge. Probably not in my opinion, but an iPod with even more PDA features: possible.
oh ... Steve downplayed an Apple PDA ... will that emerge. Probably not in my opinion, but an iPod with even more PDA features: possible.