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Dinged/Nicked OUT of Box: Two Black iPhone5 64gb Normal
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I agree, my sample size is not enough. With my logic, if I were at Porsche dealer ship. After they drive two cars out, should I expect the second one to be perfect? How about third/fourth one. I understand this is a mass production product, but as I have eluded to my other responses; it is still a luxury product that cost most people money, why shouldnt apple subject to the same scrutiny as say LV?
Thank you for agreeing that I do have the right to exchange my iphones, which i will.
"Additionally, if this was a real problem like the antenna issue - don't you think it would of came to light on actual news sources by now?"
Partially because people have treated as a "cosmetic" issue? There are enough nay-sayers even here. But the point many has made is that this should not be acceptable. I pay a premium for a product that theoretically does the same thing as a HTC or a droid. I would not give them a pass, why would I for apple after I paid more?
http://news.yahoo.com/iphone-5-glit...-news-tech.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CRvAmJQ4AwAS.vQtDMD
It is frustrating and time wasting, certainly.
...I'd like to add that even on a brand new porsche, there is probably some sort of cosmetic (or otherwise) "defect" that you may not even see.
Plus I think your porsche example is a bit apples/oranges (pun intended). we're talking FIVE MILLION iphones sold in a few days. they're still filling orders. I think a more fair comparison would be something like a toyota corolla (in terms of production volume).
Would you accept two quarter-sized cosmetic defects on a corolla? Well, that depends on the person.
Would you expect to see these imperfections or rather be more understanding of them on a toyota corolla (mass-produced ecnono-car) versus a porsche?
I would.
I'm not saying people should not complain and replace their phones. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying people should live with it. I'm not saying people are wrong or lying. I'm not saying ANYTHING except making a point about the analogy being presented.
Plus I think your porsche example is a bit apples/oranges (pun intended). we're talking FIVE MILLION iphones sold in a few days. they're still filling orders. I think a more fair comparison would be something like a toyota corolla (in terms of production volume).
Would you accept two quarter-sized cosmetic defects on a corolla? Well, that depends on the person.
Would you expect to see these imperfections or rather be more understanding of them on a toyota corolla (mass-produced ecnono-car) versus a porsche?
I would.
I'm not saying people should not complain and replace their phones. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying people should live with it. I'm not saying people are wrong or lying. I'm not saying ANYTHING except making a point about the analogy being presented.
I used even a Kia before. If you paid 8000, retail, unable to discount. Because it is too HOT to discount. Maybe I just want a deal, sure, wouldn't you, if you have indeed an imperfect item.
Same analogy as before, would you accept a 4 year old fist size defect on your brand new retail priced Kia, that you can use up to 10 years. Which comes to 800 a year, same per year as your brand new in store iphone? If you would, then that's fine.
And I thank you for reading.
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you can read the version I had prepared for myerz, few above yours.
Statistically, having 3 or 4 defective Porsches sequentially at a dealership is not a problem because these events are mutually exclusive. Say Porsche defect chance is 2%; you do not lower your chance each car you get, it’s still 2% each time – you’re just unlucky.
As for your second point, luxury product or not – it is still not “proven” that the defects are above a certain tolerance. There's no proof that Apple does or does not reach your ideal scrutiny. There is evidence however, that they do practice world class manufacturing processes and standards - if not, they wouldn't be the company they are today.
Keep in mind, you agreed that the sample size is “not enough”. An argument without proven facts is as productive as arguing religion.
Edit: Your link is from ABC which sources AllThingsD which sources the MacRumors forum ... Doesn't really prove anything does it?
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I actually am a little rusty on my statistics. I also have tried to look this up.
However, I do think I may have enough sample size even here at MacRumor. Given if they sold 5 Million this weekend. 1500 samples is enough to generalized it into something. I know the sample is not randomized.....
Yes, we may also just all be very unlucky, same factory, same setting, same #7 worker, which I can all accept, until I find that perfect one.
Edit: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2012/09/...es-man-whisked-away-by-apple-store-employees/
abc, local news.
CNET
I know you're looking for CNN or BBC.... I guess they don't really care what I am upset about.
I offer you one more
http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...e-5-complaints-flaws-20120924,0,3275593.story
Yes, yes. I know not national enough for you.
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He said it's normal after use. My sat in the Box, taken out in front of me by an Apple CSR.
I bet if people put as much effort into securing a replacement for an obvious bad batch or bad production run as they do into complaining about it and defending their complaints on the internets, they would be much happier with much less stress and a lot more free time.
The Foxconn employee handled it at the factory. Hence use.
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I wish I had four thumbs...
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I wish I had four hands so I could give those...
"The Foxconn employee handled it at the factory. Hence use. "
They probably called their moms and said I'll ship you one soon, so you dont have to pre-order. I will also make sure I dont pre-scratch yours before I put it in the box.
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Only if there is replacement to be had. None within 50 miles of me.
I've learned the hard way. I will stand there until I find the one that I deem perfect.
No stress, as I said before boss is out today. I am just tired to reading non-sequitur arguments.
"They probably called their moms and said I'll ship you one soon, so you dont have to pre-order. I will also make sure I dont pre-scratch yours before I put it in the box.
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Only if there is replacement to be had. None within 50 miles of me.
I've learned the hard way. I will stand there until I find the one that I deem perfect.
No stress, as I said before boss is out today. I am just tired to reading non-sequitur arguments.
Oh I think you left it in this other thread... let me go get it for you
<leaves and never comes back>
What exactly are you trying to prove?
We all know it's not normal to get a scuffed product out of the box. Apple know it's not normal and are issuing replacement iPhones for those affected. Accidents happen.
If you're going to spend time doing maths and preparing responses to fictive rebuttals, at least do it for something that matters.
We all know it's not normal to get a scuffed product out of the box. Apple know it's not normal and are issuing replacement iPhones for those affected. Accidents happen.
If you're going to spend time doing maths and preparing responses to fictive rebuttals, at least do it for something that matters.
Prove that people should not dismiss people making comments as whiners. Because they do have a point.
Saying that I'm unlucky as rest of people who are not happy with this shipment.
Saying that I think I should be offered a discount.
Saying that you would and should not be happy if you received an imperfect iphone. You can live with it, but I can and I will get a replacement.
I got it. It's all probability - comparing a Porsche's surface area to that of an iPhone 5 and the probabilities of imperfections coming outside of an assembly line.
Hey guess what!! I ordered my iphone really early in the morning on the 14th and it wont get here for 3 weeks because something out of my control happened to my order! Keep complaining about your pencil sized scratch bro...
