iPhone 13 Disappointed by the lack of TouchID on the iPhone 13

[Waterman316]

Absolutely! At this point, the lack of Touch ID, just says how cocky they are and boasting their ability to get away with providing necessary features because People are gonna buy it anyway...what other option do they have and they are probably right. Because otherwise it would've shown in the sales figures which never show any signs of slowig down *smh*

Touch ID is not a necessary feature 🤣.

 

[littlestash]

I’m not , I hate Touch ID , try using it if you’ve been eating something with your hands …

Or the slightest bit of water on your finger lol

 

[azhava]

I'm still on an iPhone 8…how well does FaceID work in a low light situation?

It works fine even in a pitch black room.

 

[JohnnyChuttz]

i think macrumors should make a complaining about touchid sub forum so all the touchid cromagnons can congregate there.

Force all PWM posts in there too 🤞

 

[eyoungren]

Where has Apple said TouchID is dead? We even have rumors that they will introduce it in the iPhone 14. If Apple truly said it is dead, nobody would every release a rumor that they are adding it back in a future phone.

Sorry, took me a while. It's been some time since I had to dig this up.

Apple: Touch ID was never planned for iPhone X because Face ID is the future

When the iPhone X rumor mill began, reports suggested Apple had tried to fit a Touch ID sensor under the display, but failed. Apple denies those rumors.

thenextweb.com

"I heard some rumor [that] we couldn't get Touch ID to work through the glass so we had to remove that," Riccio said. "When we hit early line of sight on getting Face ID to be [as] good as it was, we knew that if we could be successful we could enable the product that we wanted to go off and do. And if that's true, it could be something that we could burn the bridges and be all-in with. This was assuming it was a better solution.

"And that's what we did. So we spent no time looking at fingerprints on the back or through the glass or on the side, because if we did those things — which would be a last-minute change — they would be a distraction relative to enabling the more important thing that we were trying to achieve — which was Face ID done in a high-quality way."

-- Dan Riccio, Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering, Apple

MacRumors also covered it…https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/31/apple-dismisses-touch-id-under-display-rumors/

I have brought it up before: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/miss-my-touch-id.2172021/?post=27149576#post-27149576

It's dead Jim.

 

[Palliser]

I used to miss it but really don’t anymore.

 

[redheeler]

iPhone 13 May Feature Upgraded Face ID That Works With Masks and Foggy Glasses

Apple is currently testing new Face ID hardware that could allow users to unlock their iPhone while wearing a mask or foggy glasses, according to...

www.macrumors.com

I’m hoping this is something that can be pushed in a future software update to iPhone 13 users but only Apple knows. If Face ID is the future, Apple should be trying harder to make it work better with masks. It’s safe to say that we’ll never be back to pre-pandemic amounts of mask usage.

 

[Jordan921]

I'm still on an iPhone 8…how well does FaceID work in a low light situation?

Really good.

 

[Jordan921]

FaceId>TouchId

 

[redheeler]

I'm still on an iPhone 8…how well does FaceID work in a low light situation?

Face ID projects its own light (IR frequency so it's not visible light). It works fine in the dark.

 

[AJAAY]

Why can’t they both coexist with each other. Why does one have to be better than the other? People have preferences. Some for Touch ID and some for Face ID. Doesn’t negate the benefits of either.

 

[nathansz]

Apple has released two iterations of their iPhones (12/13) during a worldwide pandemic where wearing masks have become the norm and their FaceID system is absolutely useless.

In the case of the iPhone 12, perhaps it was too late to implement TouchID on the power button but the lack of it on the iPhone 13 when they've had a ton of time to prepare for it is just disappointing. They seem to have no problem including it with some of their products like the new iPad mini 6, so why not the iPhone when it could benefit from TouchID the most? The countless amount of people I've seen taking off their masks, looking frustrated and having a poor experience from FaceID, is just sad and laughable.

TouchID and FaceID on an iPhone would be the ultimate convenience. Why not have the best of both worlds?

don’t buy one then

 

[svenmany]

I wonder if there's a correlation between people who are completely happy with just face ID and people who don't wear masks much. I don't wear masks much because I'm usually at home. When I'm out and about, my Apple watch fixes the unlocking issue. But, it's troubling that a watch is required to make the phone convenient to use in those situations.

I don't think masks are going away soon. I believe Apple realizes this is a serious issue that has to be addressed. The lack of touch ID accompanying face ID is probably due to technical hurdles and their need to push the next iPhone out sooner than they can solve them.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Touch ID is archaic. Give it up. I have the iPad mini and I keep having to remember to touch the button. Made me realize how much I love Face ID.

Archaic? Not really. It’s a technology that is very much current and future proof. Just because our iPhones don’t have it because on company doesn’t put it on every device, does not mean it’s outdated by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Jonny1989]

totally agree, face ID isnt a step forward at all.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Apple does what is convenient and makes business sense for them. They do not follow what everyone else believes or thinks would make sense to them personally. They've stated that TouchID is dead (at least in the flagship device) and are working to improve it with masks. Based on that I am not surprised.

They have never said TouchID is dead to my knowledge. Could you source that please?

 

[eyoungren]

They have never said TouchID is dead to my knowledge. Could you source that please?

Disappointed by the lack of TouchID on the iPhone 13

Sorry, took me a while. It's been some time since I had to dig this up. https://thenextweb.com/news/apple-outright-denies-ever-tried-build-fingerprint-sensor-screen -- Dan Riccio, Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering, Apple MacRumors also covered...

forums.macrumors.com

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[curtvaughan]

Apple ditched TouchID with the iPhone X.

At least for the flagship model. What made you think they would include it on the next flagship model? Just because they have it on other models (such as the SE) it doesn't automatically follow that they are switching back to it. If anything they are working on improving FaceID.

Also, just because you feel it's a good idea it doesn't mean Apple shares your feelings. It's convenient for you, but you aren't running Apple and do not have their perspective about it.

No, he doesn't run Apple, and neither do you or I. I'm not so sure that a corporation has feelings to share, but if those who "run Apple" discount all negative customer opinions, the corporation stands to lose business in the long term among those with complaints. In my case, though I use an iPhone for most of my messaging, photos, and other phone transactions - largely due to the ease with which it interfaces to my iMac - I use my Android phone during times of masking or whenever I want to use my wired headphones. I stopped buying Apple laptops when issues of overheating, unreliable keyboards, touch bars, and lack of ports became the norm, and I gave up on using my 2017 iPad Pro for anything but streaming content after its touch screen became unreliable (an issue when rehearsing/performing music with an iPad app rather than sheet music) - I may purchase another iPad in the future if the new RISC models prove reliable. I should think it would be a positive useful feature to have both face- and touch-id in one package, and I still wish phone jacks were included along with bluetooth. Over the last decade or so, the gulf between the quality, ease-of-use, and customer support between Apple products and those of its competitors has narrowed considerably. I will continue to buy iMacs and iPhones primarily for their interoperability and the ease with which I can migrate my data and applications with each upgrade purchase, as I've been using Apple products for 20 years. I've been fine with the Linux laptops superceeding my last MacBook Pro, and I've gone back to pulp sheet music for music needs.

But as you say, why should Apple listen to me or any other customers, since we don't run Apple or necessarily "share its feelings".

 

[curtvaughan]

Touch ID is archaic. Give it up. I have the iPad mini and I keep having to remember to touch the button. Made me realize how much I love Face ID.

It's not archaic; it's perhaps inconvenient when compared to the newer technology at its best. Touch-id is a good fallback should face-id fail. Currently, when face-id fails one is forced to enter a password - much more inconvenient than a fingerprint. Introduction of a new technology does not necessarily make an older technology archaic. This is especially the case when a newer technology can fail in situations easily accommodated by an older one.

 

[compwiz1202]

Well you’re gonna be disappointed with every single iPhone release in the future, seeing as that 2014 era technology will no longer be featured

Then they need to stop mentioning it every year.

 

[compwiz1202]

It's not archaic; it's perhaps inconvenient when compared to the newer technology at its best. Touch-id is a good fallback should face-id fail. Currently, when face-id fails one is forced to enter a password - much more inconvenient than a fingerprint. Introduction of a new technology does not necessarily make an older technology archaic. This is especially the case when a newer technology can fail in situations easily accommodated by an older one.

And not everyone has a watch, and the watch only works for unlocking the phone, not passwords for apps.

 

[compwiz1202]

Because they are including them in iPads again? Because not everyone has watches so their "making it work with masks" doesn't make it work.

And the watch only works to unlock the iPhones, not passwords or Apple Pay.

 

[eyoungren]

No, he doesn't run Apple, and neither do you or I. I'm not so sure that a corporation has feelings to share, but if those who "run Apple" discount all negative customer opinions, the corporation stands to lose business in the long term among those with complaints. In my case, though I use an iPhone for most of my messaging, photos, and other phone transactions - largely due to the ease with which it interfaces to my iMac - I use my Android phone during times of masking or whenever I want to use my wired headphones. I stopped buying Apple laptops when issues of overheating, unreliable keyboards, touch bars, and lack of ports became the norm, and I gave up on using my 2017 iPad Pro for anything but streaming content after its touch screen became unreliable (an issue when rehearsing/performing music with an iPad app rather than sheet music) - I may purchase another iPad in the future if the new RISC models prove reliable. I should think it would be a positive useful feature to have both face- and touch-id in one package, and I still wish phone jacks were included along with bluetooth. Over the last decade or so, the gulf between the quality, ease-of-use, and customer support between Apple products and those of its competitors has narrowed considerably. I will continue to buy iMacs and iPhones primarily for their interoperability and the ease with which I can migrate my data and applications with each upgrade purchase, as I've been using Apple products for 20 years. I've been fine with the Linux laptops superceeding my last MacBook Pro, and I've gone back to pulp sheet music for music needs.

But as you say, why should Apple listen to me or any other customers, since we don't run Apple or necessarily "share its feelings".

There was a time in the late 90s when Apple got rid of the floppy drive. Oh the weeping and knashing of teeth. When Apple did away with the optical drive on the MacBook Air there was the same cry.

These are things the customer still wanted. I am an Apple user, but long ago figured out that Apple doesn't very much respond to user feedback or pressure.

 

[ZipZap]

My understanding is Apple is improving Face ID to account for masks by looking closer at they eyes.

 

[compwiz1202]

No, he doesn't run Apple, and neither do you or I. I'm not so sure that a corporation has feelings to share, but if those who "run Apple" discount all negative customer opinions, the corporation stands to lose business in the long term among those with complaints. In my case, though I use an iPhone for most of my messaging, photos, and other phone transactions - largely due to the ease with which it interfaces to my iMac - I use my Android phone during times of masking or whenever I want to use my wired headphones. I stopped buying Apple laptops when issues of overheating, unreliable keyboards, touch bars, and lack of ports became the norm, and I gave up on using my 2017 iPad Pro for anything but streaming content after its touch screen became unreliable (an issue when rehearsing/performing music with an iPad app rather than sheet music) - I may purchase another iPad in the future if the new RISC models prove reliable. I should think it would be a positive useful feature to have both face- and touch-id in one package, and I still wish phone jacks were included along with bluetooth. Over the last decade or so, the gulf between the quality, ease-of-use, and customer support between Apple products and those of its competitors has narrowed considerably. I will continue to buy iMacs and iPhones primarily for their interoperability and the ease with which I can migrate my data and applications with each upgrade purchase, as I've been using Apple products for 20 years. I've been fine with the Linux laptops superceeding my last MacBook Pro, and I've gone back to pulp sheet music for music needs.

But as you say, why should Apple listen to me or any other customers, since we don't run Apple or necessarily "share its feelings".

They will never listen until everyone upset about it boycotts and makes it clear why. But not enough will even sacrifice their new iPhone to try to make Apple change.