iPhone 13 Disappointed by the lack of TouchID on the iPhone 13

[CrazyForCashews]

Also, just because you feel it's a good idea it doesn't mean Apple shares your feelings. It's convenient for you, but you aren't running Apple and do not have their perspective about it.

I'm sure many people feel the same way, more so during this worldwide pandemic. You also don't work for Apple so there's no need to be defensive about another person's opinion. Clearly this is a very interesting subject and discussion that affects many iPhone users.

They've been working on making FaceID work with masks.

Hahaha, that's how much of a joke FaceID has become. Yeah let's jeopardize the security of the system and force it to work in the way it was not intended to adapt to the current climate. So it's no longer FaceID, but EyeID? That seems significantly less secure and a waste of the technology. Like using a Ferrari to deliver mail.

Well you’re gonna be disappointed with every single iPhone release in the future, seeing as that 2014 era technology will no longer be featured

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I’m not , I hate Touch ID , try using it if you’ve been eating something with your hands …

You use your phone while eating when your hands are slathered and dripping with food?

 

[nathansz]

I wonder if there's a correlation between people who are completely happy with just face ID and people who don't wear masks much. I don't wear masks much because I'm usually at home. When I'm out and about, my Apple watch fixes the unlocking issue. But, it's troubling that a watch is required to make the phone convenient to use in those situations.

I don't think masks are going away soon. I believe Apple realizes this is a serious issue that has to be addressed. The lack of touch ID accompanying face ID is probably due to technical hurdles and their need to push the next iPhone out sooner than they can solve them.

l commute via transit 20 minutes each way five days a week and have to wear a mask. also have to wear a mask anywhere public indoors here, so for any groceries, etc

it takes so little time to type my password in when i need to look at my phone with a mask on that it doesn’t really bother

 

[eyoungren]

I'm sure many people feel the same way, more so during this worldwide pandemic. You also don't work for Apple so there's no need to be defensive about another person's opinion. Clearly this is a very interesting subject and discussion that affects many iPhone users.

I wasn't being defensive. I was being factual.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when people start to project their opinion on to others or on to other things it's time to take a step back. Just because I believe one way or another it doesn't mean everyone else believes the same way. Or a company.

Business is out for profit and answerable only to the shareholders. While there is a certain amount of response to the customer it's profit that matters most. By now people should be expecting a company to act in it's own best interests - not according to the customer's perception of how things should be.

 

[acblue94]

Apple has released two iterations of their iPhones (12/13) during a worldwide pandemic where wearing masks have become the norm and their FaceID system is absolutely useless.

In the case of the iPhone 12, perhaps it was too late to implement TouchID on the power button but the lack of it on the iPhone 13 when they've had a ton of time to prepare for it is just disappointing. They seem to have no problem including it with some of their products like the new iPad mini 6, so why not the iPhone when it could benefit from TouchID the most? The countless amount of people I've seen taking off their masks, looking frustrated and having a poor experience from FaceID, is just sad and laughable.

TouchID and FaceID on an iPhone would be the ultimate convenience. Why not have the best of both worlds?

Are you also disappointed in the fact there isn’t anymore VHS tapes? Welcome to 2021

 

[MarkX]

There was a time in the late 90s when Apple got rid of the floppy drive. Oh the weeping and knashing of teeth. When Apple did away with the optical drive on the MacBook Air there was the same cry.

These are things the customer still wanted. I am an Apple user, but long ago figured out that Apple doesn't very much respond to user feedback or pressure.

Nail on the head.

The sooner people become aware of this and accept it the better.

 

[Ethosik]

Nail on the head.

The sooner people become aware of this and accept it the better.

Comparing this to floppy drives makes no sense. It is in NO WAY the same.

 

[ericwn]

Are you also disappointed in the fact there isn’t anymore VHS tapes? Welcome to 2021

Are you comparing the new iPad mini to VHS technology now?

 

[MarkX]

Comparing this to floppy drives makes no sense. It is in NO WAY the same.

You're quoting the wrong person.

 

[Ethosik]

You're quoting the wrong person.

No....You said the sooner people realize this the better. Meaning that Touch ID is irreverent technology? Meaning you piggy backed off a comment discussing floppy drives and you agreed with their assessment.

So "The sooner people become aware of this and accept it the better." means what exactly?

 

[CrazyForCashews]

But when people start to project their opinion on to others or on to other things it's time to take a step back.

Sorry? I have no idea what you're trying to say or imply and it seems like you're reading too much into my words. The irony is that it seems like you're the only one who needs to "take a step back".

Comparing this to floppy drives makes no sense. It is in NO WAY the same.

Yeah now this just reaching, taking things to the extreme. People bringing up completely irrelevant information to try to sweeten up their argument, when in reality it just makes them lose their credibility.

I sure can't wait to use that floppy drive on the new iPad mini! That antiquated, archaic, useless technology sure seems useful to Apple for them to go out of their way to include it with their new iPad!

 

[ericwn]

Comparing this to floppy drives makes no sense. It is in NO WAY the same.

Forcing out floppys at the time then consequently led to a huge boost of sales for external floppy drives, and of course, who could forget the Zip drives - their external device business grew for a little while as well.

Don’t see how alternatives would come from external influences now of course. It’s Apple’s way or the highway.

I’m interested to see how this evolves and what technology we’ll see implemented next for authentication.

 

[eyoungren]

Sorry? I have no idea what you're trying to say or imply and it seems like you're reading too much into my words. The irony is that it seems like you're the only one who needs to "take a step back".

It wasn't you I was originally quoting regarding this. You quoted my response to another user.

 

[Ethosik]

Sorry? I have no idea what you're trying to say or imply and it seems like you're reading too much into my words. The irony is that it seems like you're the only one who needs to "take a step back".


Yeah now this just reaching, taking things to the extreme. People bringing up completely irrelevant information to try to sweeten up their argument, when in reality it just makes them lose their credibility.

I sure can't wait to use that floppy drive on the new iPad mini! That antiquated, archaic, useless technology sure seems useful to Apple for them to go out of their way to include it with their new iPad!

Agreed. What was the reason for removing the floppy drive? A better medium, with more space and speed was introduced.

Did I lose all my fingers when Apple released Face ID? No. Does Face ID improve things? No, not when I have a mask on. Face ID is essentially useless 90% of the time since I have my mask on a lot. Therefore, it is not any better than Touch ID. I still have my fingers, its still an approved biometric authentication method by many industries. Therefore, it has ZERO relation to comparisons to floppy drives.

 

[eyoungren]

No....You said the sooner people realize this the better. Meaning that Touch ID is irreverent technology? Meaning you piggy backed off a comment discussing floppy drives and you agreed with their assessment.

So "The sooner people become aware of this and accept it the better." means what exactly?

He was responding to my statement.

And the meaning is this: Business is out for profit. They do not function to serve you, the customer.

 

[MarkX]

No....You said the sooner people realize this the better. Meaning that Touch ID is irreverent technology? Meaning you piggy backed off a comment discussing floppy drives and you agreed with their assessment.

So "The sooner people become aware of this and accept it the better." means what exactly?

What I agreed with and accept is that Apple do things their way and not how I or others think they should.

If you don't know how Apple works by now then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Ethosik]

He was responding to my statement.

And the meaning is this: Business is out for profit. They do not function to serve you, the customer.

Business is for both, not just for profit. You cant have profit without customers. Hospitals are businesses, but they definitely want to help their patients.

 

[Ghost31]

I miss brick phones with no touch screen.

oh…sorry. I thought we were talking about stupid things that will obviously never come back

 

[KOTN91]

Yeah I mean it was great for it’s time, sure, but FaceId is way way better.

 

[Ethosik]

What I agreed with and accept is that Apple do things their way and not how I or others think they should.

If you don't know how Apple works by now then I don't know what to tell you.

And you know exactly how Apple works huh? What about their trash can Mac Pro fiasco where they publicly apologies because their CUSTOMERS were fuming at Apple due to it. Causing them to release an iMac Pro while they redesigned the Mac Pro. If its all about profits, Apple would not have changed their course on the Mac Pro. Apple has indeed over the last few decades reverted their decisions. Rumors are still going on that HDMI, and other ports will be coming back to the newer laptops - thus changing their stance from the 2016 Macbook Pro USB-C only decision.

 

[eyoungren]

Business is for both, not just for profit. You cant have profit without customers. Hospitals are businesses, but they definitely want to help their patients.

That is true. If you completely ignore the customer your profits will tank. But I don't believe this is a 50/50 thing. Profit first, shareholders next, customers last is my opinion.

You may not agree of course.

PS. Having dealt with hospitals once or twice I can tell you that their only concern for me at the time was if or how I was going to satisfy the bill. They weren't overly concerned about the financial jeopardy this would put me in at the time.

 

[Ethosik]

PS. Having dealt with hospitals once or twice I can tell you that their only concern for me at the time was if or how I was going to satisfy the bill. They weren't overly concerned about the financial jeopardy this would put me in at the time.

They don't force you to pay to begin treatment, they treat you then of course want you to pay up. Businesses cannot exist without making money. This is kind of a redundant thing to always keep brining up in pretty much 90% of topics here about Apple. Businesses and money go together like people and breathing. Apple isn't a non-profit organization. Of course they want money, every business that ever exists does - that is the entire definition of it. But, as I mentioned a couple of examples, Apple has indeed reversed decisions based on customer dissatisfaction. The company I have worked for several years ago did the same. Without our clients, we would have no business so we make sure they are happy.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

Thinking about it, I think one reason why Apple hasn't included TouchID on their iPhones is because they don't want to admit defeat. They don't want to go back to "dated" technology despite how useful it can be when they've spent so much time and money on a "better" authentication system when in reality it has an Achilles heel.

 

[Surfer13134]

IMO we aren't going to see Touch ID in the higher end iPhones again, Dont get me wrong when Apple first announced Face ID I was totally against it and thought it was so stupid but after having it on the iPhones and iPads it really is so much easier than Touch ID, I have sweaty hands and fingerprint readers on any device (Samsung Phones, Touch ID on my Macbook Pro) always have issues reading my fingerprint and I have to wipe off my fingers and keep trying vs Face ID just scanning my face and I'm in. Yes wearing masks does mess with it but its a minor inconvenience, not to mention Face ID is so much more secure vs Touch ID. Apple already added the feature where the phone will unlock if you have your apple watch on but I can see Apple adopting Face ID to have some sort of retinal scanner to scan your eye retinas before we see Touch ID again.

 

[eyoungren]

They don't force you to pay to begin treatment, they treat you then of course want you to pay up. Businesses cannot exist without making money. This is kind of a redundant thing to always keep brining up in pretty much 90% of topics here about Apple. Businesses and money go together like people and breathing. Apple isn't a non-profit organization. Of course they want money, every business that ever exists does - that is the entire definition of it. But, as I mentioned a couple of examples, Apple has indeed reversed decisions based on customer dissatisfaction. The company I have worked for several years ago did the same. Without our clients, we would have no business so we make sure they are happy.

I don't deny that Apple has reversed course on some issues. But I would argue that those instances are less than those in which they ignored the customer.

If you have spent any time on the Apple forums you know that Apple buries criticism and problems and that they are aggressive at it. The best I can say is that Apple is SLOW at responding to customer pressure. They do respond as you've shown.

But citing your example of the MacPro trashcan, how many years was it before Apple introduced a new MP?

Two more things I'd argue. If Apple does respond it's more than likely in response to a company. Who was/is the primary user of MacPros? Business, particularly those in the design/professional industry. Apple responded because losing the business of the business customer was more of a threat.

The second thing I'd argue is that when Apple DOES respond it's the way they WANT. Yes, they will offer the solution to the problem but it may not be exactly the way it is expected.

So, ultimately you're right. Apple does respond. But when and how and to what kind of customer pressure is debatable.

 

[svenmany]

l commute via transit 20 minutes each way five days a week and have to wear a mask. also have to wear a mask anywhere public indoors here, so for any groceries, etc

it takes so little time to type my password in when i need to look at my phone with a mask on that it doesn’t really bother

That makes sense. I think you have a simple numeric password or a great deal of dexterity. For my piece of mind, I use a long password that's quite hard to type.

Which raises another issue; I think Apple bears a bit of responsibility in pushing people to simpler passwords.