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Disappointed with Lion - rant
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Gotta love it...
Person - "But everything was working fine before I installed Lion"
BRLawyer - "You sure you didn't add any new walls? Must be your router because Apple is perfect!"
Same old crap. Lion is bugged that's for sure. It has annoying changes too. It fixes somethings but sure wrecks a lot more than it fixed.
Some will say it works fine, others will have troubles. I always do a clean install of any os, and after experiencing problems with lion I just went back to snow leopard since I can't afford to waste time on lion crap.
Some will say it works fine, others will have troubles. I always do a clean install of any os, and after experiencing problems with lion I just went back to snow leopard since I can't afford to waste time on lion crap.
I'm also having wifi problems on my early 2008 15" MBP after upgrading to Lion (while all my other devices are working fine). And so are others:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3204474?start=0&tstart=0
In that thread, there is a workaround mentioned where you create a separate location that you only use for wireless. Haven't tried this yet, but I may try this soon.
I think there is some variation in wifi issues, and not everyone is having the same problem (there are more than one possible problems).
I'm going to try the workaround. Failing that, I'm hoping 10.7.2 fixes it (though there's been some reports of it not fixing the problem). If that fails, clean install of Lion. And finally I'll revert back to Snow Leopard if all else fails.
I've also had some weird slowdown issues, but I'll give it benefit of the doubt, and maybe it was 3rd party apps. Right now I'm wishing I had never upgraded to Lion on this laptop.
Connecting to VNC via 3rd party VNC clients is borked. I've tried various 3rd party VNC apps. I'm probably going install Vine Server again. I use to have to use it several years ago when there was a similar situation with Apple's VNC server not playing nice.
I also had problems with earlier versions of Snow Leopard (even with clean install) and ended up downgrading back to 10.5 and putting off the upgrade until a later date. Lion is probably going to be a similar situation. I don't recommend it at the moment. Stick with Snow Leopard for now; there's nothing new in Lion that is worth the potential troubles. I certainly am going to stick with Snow Leopard on my work machine for quite a while (can't afford to have problems with that machine), it's only my personal machines that I took the risk of installing Lion with.
If you do decide to try Lion, do keep a full backup of your Snow Leopard install in case you need to go back. And do a clean install. Though, my Mac Pro is doing ok with an upgrade to Lion (except for the VNC thing and RAID 0 causing kernel panics possibly); it seems like I always have to clean install on Apple laptops to get them working ok, but my Mac Pro does fine with upgrades (that doesn't make any sense, I know).
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3204474?start=0&tstart=0
In that thread, there is a workaround mentioned where you create a separate location that you only use for wireless. Haven't tried this yet, but I may try this soon.
I think there is some variation in wifi issues, and not everyone is having the same problem (there are more than one possible problems).
I'm going to try the workaround. Failing that, I'm hoping 10.7.2 fixes it (though there's been some reports of it not fixing the problem). If that fails, clean install of Lion. And finally I'll revert back to Snow Leopard if all else fails.
I've also had some weird slowdown issues, but I'll give it benefit of the doubt, and maybe it was 3rd party apps. Right now I'm wishing I had never upgraded to Lion on this laptop.
Connecting to VNC via 3rd party VNC clients is borked. I've tried various 3rd party VNC apps. I'm probably going install Vine Server again. I use to have to use it several years ago when there was a similar situation with Apple's VNC server not playing nice.
I also had problems with earlier versions of Snow Leopard (even with clean install) and ended up downgrading back to 10.5 and putting off the upgrade until a later date. Lion is probably going to be a similar situation. I don't recommend it at the moment. Stick with Snow Leopard for now; there's nothing new in Lion that is worth the potential troubles. I certainly am going to stick with Snow Leopard on my work machine for quite a while (can't afford to have problems with that machine), it's only my personal machines that I took the risk of installing Lion with.
If you do decide to try Lion, do keep a full backup of your Snow Leopard install in case you need to go back. And do a clean install. Though, my Mac Pro is doing ok with an upgrade to Lion (except for the VNC thing and RAID 0 causing kernel panics possibly); it seems like I always have to clean install on Apple laptops to get them working ok, but my Mac Pro does fine with upgrades (that doesn't make any sense, I know).
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I was getting a problem where my mac mini 2009 kept falling asleep randomly, or the display went to sleep. I upgraded the RAM from 4 to 8 gb, and no problems with that so far.
Still have an infrequent problem where the machine freezes up and needs to be rebooted, usually after sleep. This isn't that big an issue. Lion is much better for me for transferring large files >4gb across my network than snow leopard.
Still have an infrequent problem where the machine freezes up and needs to be rebooted, usually after sleep. This isn't that big an issue. Lion is much better for me for transferring large files >4gb across my network than snow leopard.
So now I am supposed to give more credence to a few vocal people posting their specific Lion-config problems, while millions of other users out there are perfectly happy with Apple's latest OS?
This is what support forums are for - unfortunately, such gnashing of teeth always gives the impression that Lion is all but broken - this doesn't mean at all that everyone else has issues... so gimme a break.
It is known that Lion has bugs, there is nothing we can do for you. SL had bugs when it first came out as well, however, they were things that many people could live with. Do yourself a favor and search the forums. You will find more than a few vocal people.
Also, please explain to me why my Mac works flawlessly under SL but with Lion it has issues with WiFi waking up and other various issues including a Kernel that seems to want to hog memory and not release it when other apps need it... Come on genius, please explain!
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I shouldnt bother, but here it is: you probably have legacy issues arising from a faulty Lion install or from migrated content/apps/settings (even through the use of migration assistant and the like) - another possibility: incompatible, non-updated third-party hardware.
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One by one you going to respond to fully 1/3 of the poll responders on this Mac/ Apple loving forum
that have tried Lion and reverted back to SL and fix their Lion problems? 
It seems to me to be much more than the "few vocal people" you indicate.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1202064/
I guess you missed the part about doing a total fresh install. Even with nothing else on the box it had issues. My hardware is all mac and SL works fine. lion has issues and this was on both laptops. Try again.
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I upgraded my 2011 Macbook Pro to Snow Leopard. Couldn't deal with Lion. It *is* slow. Animations when clicking through tabs in the system profiler were slow. Mission Control is one massive cluster****; why are windows gouped? And if they are, why is there not an option to UNGROUP them? Did apple forget that people multitask a lot? And what the hell is that grey border doing in mission control? And if I only ever use ONE space and am dead set on that, WHY are spaces options STILL appearing when I initiate mission control? No TRIM for non-crappy Apple Branded SSD drives, Windows has had TRIM for 2 years now, so much for apple being so innovative or even complying with industry standards.
The only thing apple got right with Lion was the login screen. Other than that, its awful. I expected more optimizations but found the experience to be worse than Snow Leopard.
The only thing apple got right with Lion was the login screen. Other than that, its awful. I expected more optimizations but found the experience to be worse than Snow Leopard.
I haven't had any of these problems yet except for a little slowness; but I'm just guessing mine is slow because I only have 2GB of RAM in my computer. Maybe if you up your ram; it'll be faster?
Also remember that Lion JUST came out a couple months ago and it's in the early stages so there's going to be a couple bugs. I'm assuming when Apple decides to release the updates like 7.2 and so on it'll get better... hopefully.
I remember what happened when Leopard was released. There was a war about how slow the operating system was, and how many problems it had. With Snow Leopard there were even more problems, with debates and angry people saying that their machines couldn't be worse after upgrading to Snow Leopard, and that Leopard was the best operating system ever made.
Now, Snow Leopard suddenly is the best and most stable operating system ever made, and Lion is the worst. This thread reminds me of countless others created after each release.
I'm sure that when 10.8 is released, Lion will be the "best operating system" and "won't have any of the problems the previews version (SL) had".
It's the same thing all over again.
Now, Snow Leopard suddenly is the best and most stable operating system ever made, and Lion is the worst. This thread reminds me of countless others created after each release.
I'm sure that when 10.8 is released, Lion will be the "best operating system" and "won't have any of the problems the previews version (SL) had".
It's the same thing all over again.
Yep, you are right, that is what was happeneing. However, the bugs I had in SL were a lot less intrusive. I know Apple will get them fixed I just hope it is soon and if I remember correctly Apple shot a patch out on SL within a week or two to resolve some of the bigger issues. Here we got a patch that did nothing really.
If Lion's working for you just fine then I don't see a whole lot of reasons to go into a panic and think about switching to Snow Leopard. However just because you don't experience any of the OP's issues doesn't mean OS X Lion doesn't have serious problems.
Apple's history with promoting their OS is built around bashing Microsoft's Windows products. On top of that Apple boasts how secure OS X is because it's based on a rock solid Unix foundation, followed with motto's like "It just works."
Lion has pretty much undid all of that in just a few months. Snow Leopard didn't exactly have a fantastic debut either with tons of problems after its release but to repeat that blunder with an even bigger one would be like if Microsoft released Windows ME after Windows Vista.
It's my belief at this time that Apple does not have fixing Lion issues as a top priority, iCloud, iPhone 5 and working on iPad 3 display issues appear to be taking up most of their attention. Apple has never to my knowledge been in the habit of keeping their customers informed as to what's going on and what to expect in the way of upcoming/future updates and I think this is very unfair towards their loyal customers.
My suggestion to anyone is to simply use what works. If Lion works for you seemingly flawlessly then I don't see much reason to switch to SL just because you see how many people have issues with 10.7, however whether you upgraded to or clean installed Lion, and now have all sorts of problems you never had with SL and can't rectify it no matter what you do then it makes all the sense in the world to go back to SL under the assumption doing so corrects those issues.
Apple's history with promoting their OS is built around bashing Microsoft's Windows products. On top of that Apple boasts how secure OS X is because it's based on a rock solid Unix foundation, followed with motto's like "It just works."
Lion has pretty much undid all of that in just a few months. Snow Leopard didn't exactly have a fantastic debut either with tons of problems after its release but to repeat that blunder with an even bigger one would be like if Microsoft released Windows ME after Windows Vista.
It's my belief at this time that Apple does not have fixing Lion issues as a top priority, iCloud, iPhone 5 and working on iPad 3 display issues appear to be taking up most of their attention. Apple has never to my knowledge been in the habit of keeping their customers informed as to what's going on and what to expect in the way of upcoming/future updates and I think this is very unfair towards their loyal customers.
My suggestion to anyone is to simply use what works. If Lion works for you seemingly flawlessly then I don't see much reason to switch to SL just because you see how many people have issues with 10.7, however whether you upgraded to or clean installed Lion, and now have all sorts of problems you never had with SL and can't rectify it no matter what you do then it makes all the sense in the world to go back to SL under the assumption doing so corrects those issues.
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I'm not sure if you're trying to be clever or not, but anyway. What we're trying to get at is, the people who post here? The vast majority? Are the ones who have problems. Is it so hard to believe that even with all the people who do post here that millions have no problems whatsoever?
Lion has some issues, but to blindly blame it when something else could have gone wrong childish. At the very least troubleshoot the problem before you just say it's all wrong.
I have a 2008 Mac Pro, a 2010 Macbook Pro, both running Lion and both without any issues.
Clever? Have you read the posts? Nobody is blindly blaming Lion, they are posting facts that Lion is the reason that thier systems are not running well. I can't count the number of times that I have stated that under SL everything works great but under Lion it does not. I have also posted that this is a FRESH and CLEAN install of Lion. I have kernel panics, memory issues and WiFi issuse. All of this is LION related, not some figment of my imagination.
You know your right, I had never thought of troubleshooting it
Here, let me help you blame my ignorance:
1. Just works- because you told me so- proven by your machines functioning perfectly. I am also sure you are utilizing the same environment too.
2. Don't do the upgrade, do a wipe a new fresh install only- got it!
3. Don't worry about SMB or Networking drives no one needs em.
4. Back to my mac, well your milage may vary.
5. Don't upgrade, do a fresh install- Check, check, and re-checked.
6. Make sure you are running all apple gear, go out and buy all new fresh routers so that nothing at all can point the finger at Lion. Well, that's kind of expensive to replace my 2 Airport extremes and 2 airport expresses- are you sure?
7. Don't use it with a windows network in finder anymore.- I kinda need that functionality though
8. Please don't attempt to connect to any WebDav protocol drives unless you have a few minutes for a time out. Well, I can be patient.
9. Unless you rely on IMAP (really, who does that) don't expect a good experience. I know, use Gmail, that will solve all your problems. My company does not allow it, now what?
10. External monitors, ha- get rid of em.
11. Safari, oh that's where my ram went.
12. Finder is sorted wrong for your needs? Tough
13. Not running as good as SL- must have done something wrong, user error, must have been broke before, did you wipe your brand new SSD and do a fresh install? Reinstall, must have done something wrong...
14. User error, everyone knows that
15. Make sure you do not add any new microwave ovens, toasters, home phones, or heaven for bid build any walls after installing Lion.
16. Want to try Airdrop? Go replace the other 4 macs you own first.
If your running a business, and need to actually get work done you might want to stick to SL.
* For the record, I really do hope it cleans up soon though because the upgrade will be forced upon us at some point in the near future.
You know your right, I had never thought of troubleshooting it
Here, let me help you blame my ignorance:
1. Just works- because you told me so- proven by your machines functioning perfectly. I am also sure you are utilizing the same environment too.
2. Don't do the upgrade, do a wipe a new fresh install only- got it!
3. Don't worry about SMB or Networking drives no one needs em.
4. Back to my mac, well your milage may vary.
5. Don't upgrade, do a fresh install- Check, check, and re-checked.
6. Make sure you are running all apple gear, go out and buy all new fresh routers so that nothing at all can point the finger at Lion. Well, that's kind of expensive to replace my 2 Airport extremes and 2 airport expresses- are you sure?
7. Don't use it with a windows network in finder anymore.- I kinda need that functionality though
8. Please don't attempt to connect to any WebDav protocol drives unless you have a few minutes for a time out. Well, I can be patient.
9. Unless you rely on IMAP (really, who does that) don't expect a good experience. I know, use Gmail, that will solve all your problems. My company does not allow it, now what?
10. External monitors, ha- get rid of em.
11. Safari, oh that's where my ram went.
12. Finder is sorted wrong for your needs? Tough
13. Not running as good as SL- must have done something wrong, user error, must have been broke before, did you wipe your brand new SSD and do a fresh install? Reinstall, must have done something wrong...
14. User error, everyone knows that
15. Make sure you do not add any new microwave ovens, toasters, home phones, or heaven for bid build any walls after installing Lion.
16. Want to try Airdrop? Go replace the other 4 macs you own first.
If your running a business, and need to actually get work done you might want to stick to SL.
* For the record, I really do hope it cleans up soon though because the upgrade will be forced upon us at some point in the near future.
This x1000. Some people either just use facebook or simply can't admit that it has flaws. Now you haters down vote tigres post go go go
"If your running a business, and need to actually get work done you sure as hell want to stick to SL." there it's fixed.
It's really annoying people are having issues and people just say its their fault. It's not like that thread that the poster says he had it's macbook air replaced six times!
Clever? Have you read the posts? Nobody is blindly blaming Lion, they are posting facts that Lion is the reason that thier systems are not running well. I can't count the number of times that I have stated that under SL everything works great but under Lion it does not. I have also posted that this is a FRESH and CLEAN install of Lion. I have kernel panics, memory issues and WiFi issuse. All of this is LION related, not some figment of my imagination.
So before I report you for totally uncalled for personal attacks, let me get this straight:
- You confirm that your machine can receive Lion as per Apple's requirements;
- You have wiped your computer clean;
- You have not used Migration Assistant at all;
- You have applied all Mac and Lion updates so far;
- You have only used Apple or Lion-compatible gear with your setup;
- You are 100% sure that there is nothing wrong with your hardware environment.
After confirming all of the above, you still face all sorts of problems reported by the OP in your 2008 Mac (whatever that is), including nonstop random freezes and kernel panics?
In other words, are you saying that Lion 10.7.1 is INCOMPATIBLE with your Mac?
Thank you.
Knock your socks off on the report.
No, what I am saying is that there are currently a ton of BUGS that Apple needs to address as my hardware is "supported" according to Apple. As a programmer myself, I can tell you that they are not perfect and I am sure that a patch will be released to fix it. When that happens, what will you say then? "It is now compatible..."
Oh, and this is the last time I am repeating myself. If you can't figure it out from here, I can't help you.
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So true.. What was apple thinking, MC is Crap. The computer runs to hot. The batteri life is much worse.
I hope Apple sort this things out. SL is why better for now.
I waiting for at least 10.7.4 before I install Lion again.
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Two iMac's and an Air and I have none of the problems you mention. In fact I had wifi drops after waking from sleep on my Mid 2011 iMac and installing Lion FIXED the issue for me.
I've never even had a "kernal panic" on SL or Lion.
I've never even had a "kernal panic" on SL or Lion.
The inherent problem with this solution, is this is how the Mac community **** all over Windows Vista for years. Mac's main selling point is they are supposed to "just work." Currently, Lion is like the short bus of Mac OS operating systems (save 10.5.2).
I hope Tim can do something about this and quick, as my roommates $400 eMachines laptop does a better job surfin the net than my MBP does at the moment.
Thats a Safari 5.1 issue. Use something else. I in no way recommend 10.7 but it is not at fault for bad browsing speed.
Thats with Chrome. The problem isn't the browser, its the inconsistency of the wireless connection. Same table in the living room, he's browsin around on the web, and I can't connect to the network. BBOD constantly. Restart and it works until it goes into hibernation again. I refused to accept "wipe the partition and reinstall" as a valid option on a Mac. If this is what Lion has done to the support community for the Mac, then we have a serious, serious problem.