Discontinued M2 Vision Pro Not Available for Trade-In

[Zorn]

Same people say that they made them more that they can sell, in this case why manufacture more? And also why they still keep Mac Pro with M2?

Apple has in recent history given just about zero f*cks about the Mac Pro and usually only updates it once a decade unless the John Grubers of the world start screaming at them.

 

[Bigbuddy1]

…It’s always been inevitable just like ray-tracing catching on towards it being significantly more viable to succeed pure rasterization as always intended.

Thanks to major tech breakthroughs, spatial computing is more viable to be mainstream more than ever, which is only a good thing (more varied forms of computing for civilizations).

Thinks like navigating around, multi-tasking with application windows, live captions/translations, capturing media on-the-go/hands-free, and even FPS games were ALWAYS intended to be most conveniently done functionally on spatial computing devices.

That’s why private businesses involving live events have welcomed glasses being more beneficial for them than the use of smart phones as people are more active and have their hands-free not obstructing the view of others and have their hands more free to buy their food/drinks.

Spatial video, audio, apps were always intended to be more premium and complementary of the forms people have come accustomed to much more predominantly because of technology constraints to have parity with the progress of status quo…

This isn’t changing. It’s always been continually pursued of being viable that is of course being primitive in execution than traditional computing being extremely hard to do.

It’s not about technology evolving it’s about the logistics of it
Humans don’t like wearing certain items for a sustained period of time that is why these things keep coming out & then going away
And then coming back out & then going away again
It’s not about the technology inside of it
This is to do with the practicality of these things and that’s why it fails time & again

 

[HylianKnight]

HomePod was discontinued and brought back though

Indefinite just means unknown. there is no obvious regular update cadence, and since neither of these products (HomePod and Vision Pro) are a big driver of revenue for the company, we may get an update in a year, 5 years, or never.

 

[lilkwarrior]

It’s not about technology evolving it’s about the logistics of it
Humans don’t like wearing certain items for a sustained period of time that is why these things keep coming out & then going away
And then coming back out & then going away again
It’s not about the technology inside of it
This is to do with the practicality of these things and that’s why it fails time & again

It’s not only one thing as far as an emerging computing platform that is still handicapped by today’s tech limitations.

The Vision Pro is the first prosumer headset in many things to be on par with traditional computing prosumer hardware.

It’s accordingly the first serious option for the widest variety of prosumers ever for those who want to dabble with spatial computing to do meaningingful computing.

So it’s disingenuous mentioning past efforts that weren’t that and many mainstream options overly compromised to accommodate mobile-level AAA gamers and casual computer users that don’t meet the needs of home console / “hardcore” AAA gamers nor prosumers.

Before laptops took off, desktop computers needed to pace the way and that was absolutely not available targeting mainstream users first.

The same applies with spatial computing which has to be and indefinitely will be the most expensive form of computing attempted to be mainstream or globally available.

The screen tech and dedicated hardware needed for it to catch up
to and surpass traditional computers necessitates higher costs which makes spatial computing more out of reach to most that’s unavoidable

 

[Bigbuddy1]

It’s not only one thing as far as an emerging computing platform that is still handicapped by today’s tech limitations.

The Vision Pro is the first prosumer headset in many things to be on par with traditional computing prosumer hardware.

It’s accordingly the first serious option for the widest variety of prosumers ever for those who want to dabble with spatial computing to do meaningingful computing.

So it’s disingenuous mentioning past efforts that weren’t that and many mainstream options overly compromised to accommodate mobile-level AAA gamers and casual computer users that don’t meet the needs of home console / “hardcore” AAA gamers nor prosumers.

Before laptops took off, desktop computers needed to pace the way and that was absolutely not available targeting mainstream users first.

The same applies with spatial computing which has to be and indefinitely will be the most expensive form of computing attempted to be mainstream or globally available.

The screen tech and dedicated hardware needed for it to catch up
to and surpass traditional computers necessitates higher costs which makes spatial computing more out of reach to most that’s unavoidable

Again it’s not about the technology inside it
It’s about putting it on your head or on your face for sustained periods of time
It doesn’t work no matter how often companies push it out & then remove it & try it again.
The thought of it is cool but it doesn’t work long term

 

[turbineseaplane]

Again it’s not about the technology inside it
It’s about putting it on your head or on your face for sustained periods of time
It doesn’t work no matter how often companies push it out & then remove it & try it again.
The thought of it is cool but it doesn’t work long term

You'll never get some faction of folks to understand this.

There are large swaths of the population that simply do not want a device with this form factor / usage design.

 

[Dirk Pieters]

You'll never get some faction of folks to understand this.

There are large swaths of the population that simply do not want a device with this form factor / usage design.

It is a huge thing to put on your head indeed.

If you compare what existed in the smartphone battery before iPhone (ie Blackberry) the iPhone brought a kind of simplicity that was nowhere to be found in a Blackberry device.

The Vision Pro looks anything but simple, on the contrary: quite a kerfuffle to put on and actually do your thing.

I don’t like Meta but they are onto something with the form factor of their glasses. Whatever device it will be and whatever it may do, wearing it should not be harder than wearing reading glasses.

 

[Bigbuddy1]

It is a huge thing to put on your head indeed.

If you compare what existed in the smartphone battery before iPhone (ie Blackberry) the iPhone brought a kind of simplicity that was nowhere to be found in a Blackberry device.

The Vision Pro looks anything but simple, on the contrary: quite a kerfuffle to put on and actually do your thing.

I don’t like Meta but they are onto something with the form factor of their glasses. Whatever device it will be and whatever it may do, wearing it should not be harder than wearing reading glasses.

The glasses are the same thing
Nobody wants to wear glasses unless
It’s medically required for a sustained period of time it will be cool at first

 

[chars1ub0w]

Why can't they simply offer a motherboard swap? The rest is the same. See the teardown picture? It'd be send it in, get it swapped out, and M5 you're on your way!

 

[lilkwarrior]

Again it’s not about the technology inside it
It’s about putting it on your head or on your face for sustained periods of time
It doesn’t work no matter how often companies push it out & then remove it & try it again.
The thought of it is cool but it doesn’t work long term

That sounds like a you problem. Many say that about desktops for their computing needs and settle for laptops and even phones.

The same applies with headsets vs glasses. Highest end, advanced, and most demanding spatial computing experiences will be done on a headset while various tiers of glasses will be used by many more people.

They will co-exist with higher-end headset tech trickling down to glasses.

 

[lilkwarrior]

The glasses are the same thing
Nobody wants to wear glasses unless
It’s medically required for a sustained period of time it will be cool at first

“Nobody” is simply a huge exaggeration on your part. Also note that spatial computing hardware includes contacts as well that are emerging.

Glasses is recommended for a lot of activities people do day-to-day regardless.

 

[Bigbuddy1]

That sounds like a you problem. Many say that about desktops for their computing needs and settle for laptops and even phones.

The same applies with headsets vs glasses. Highest end, advanced, and most demanding spatial computing experiences will be done on a headset while various tiers of glasses will be used by many more people.

They will co-exist with higher-end headset tech trickling down to glasses.

Again this is incorrect
It’s not about desktops or laptops or phones
It’s simply this for decades technology companies have consistently pushed out things for your head and they don’t work because it’s not practical or logical for a sustained period of time
It’s not about spacial computing or any other amazing piece of technology that companies can come up with it’s simply this it doesn’t work on various different levels

 

[Bigbuddy1]

“Nobody” is simply a huge exaggeration on your part. Also note that spatial computing hardware includes contacts as well that are emerging.

Glasses is recommended for a lot of activities people do day-to-day regardless.

Again it’s not about the technology that can get put into glasses
Its the practical or logical aspect of it

 

[bgillander]

Let me just clarify by that comment that this sums up Tim cook’s approach at apple
Meaning that as a company they do a wait and see approach
Like this they generally wait to see what the competition does then when it catches on that’s when they implement it and this headset is a perfect example of this
However it’s a mistake and I personally wouldn’t read to much into the fact that apple have launched a refreshed AVP as a sign that it’s getting kept long term
Because software support w different to hardware refreshes

Plus that’s my point headsets and glasses generally don’t work long term in tech companies have consistently launched things like this for decades and they keep getting discontinued because it turns out that the mainstream public don’t actually agree with it long term

That doesn’t clarify at all.

So now you are arguing that VR headsets have already caught on?

And this is Tim doing a wait and see?

That is just a weird take, like saying he should have released this product that you hate earlier.

Apple is simply trying a new product line that could very well fail. They did that under Wozniak and Jobs, under Scully, and under Jobs and Ives. And hopefully they keep developing new product lines without worrying that absolutely everyone needs to like the product, because that kind of product development usually ends up with mundane products.

 

[Bigbuddy1]

That doesn’t clarify at all.

So now you are arguing that VR headsets have already caught on?

And this is Tim doing a wait and see?

That is just a weird take, like saying he should have released this product that you hate earlier.

Apple is simply trying a new product line that could very well fail. They did that under Wozniak and Jobs, under Scully, and under Jobs and Ives. And hopefully they keep developing new product lines without worrying that absolutely everyone needs to like the product, because that kind of product development usually ends up with mundane products.

Again this is incorrect
Under Tim cook’s leadership it’s a wait and see approach from big screen phones to potential folding phones
Regarding the AVP & future glasses it doesn’t matter what technology is put into it and how many meta sell this category has & will always have a short life span due to logistics and how humans actually are it’s not about the technology inside

 

[Jamie0003]

Indefinite just means unknown. there is no obvious regular update cadence, and since neither of these products (HomePod and Vision Pro) are a big driver of revenue for the company, we may get an update in a year, 5 years, or never

It’s interesting they released a new model so soon, it’s only been a year and a half hasn’t it? Apple TV and HomePod don’t get that luxury

 

[Bigbuddy1]

It’s interesting they released a new model so soon, it’s only been a year and a half hasn’t it? Apple TV and HomePod don’t get that luxury

I think that speaks more about the hardware levels of the AVP than actual demand of the item by giving it a quick chip refresh is not about demand for the item
It’s probably more to do with boosting sales of the actual product

 

[dantay]

Sounds like you're in your feelings with your tangent strawmans (who the heck is talking about wealth, why would you associate what I said as being snarky so dogmatically, and what relevancy is deprecation on whether the sales of high-end cards being a sensible measure of the state of the category?) and your pointless ad hominems.

It's also grossly naive to state your interpretation of rumors as fact.

First and foremost it totally makes sense and is not unprecedented for Apple to only operate at the prosumer level for the headset product category: They already do this for desktop towers (Mac Pro) and their monitor business (Pro Display XDR and Studio Display) without making an overly compromised mainstream version.

Similar to the Mac Pro compared to the Macbook Pro and Macbook, it totally makes sense for the Vision Pro to exist as their sole standalone headset option and have tiered glasses. I wholly agree with this strategy.

Note forums aren't an echo chamber to frame people 'in their feels' because they don't respectfully agree with your sentiment, statement, or opinion.

A Pro Display would have negligible development costs compared to to a headset with its own operating system so your comparison with other products in their range such as a high end display holds no weight.

You made the comparison between cost and consumer type not me.

The Vision Pro has been a failure for Apple and will be quietly retired, if you don’t like that for some reason that is entirely up to you.

 

[lilkwarrior]

A Pro Display would have negligible development costs compared to to a headset with its own operating system so your comparison with other products in their range such as a high end display holds no weight.

You made the comparison between cost and consumer type not me.

The Vision Pro has been a failure for Apple and will be quietly retired, if you don’t like that for some reason that is entirely up to you.

You don’t work for Apple nor know their success metrics for a prosumer product that never had mainstream sale aspirations—the sheer parts cannot scale to mainstream sale targets.

Let’s agree to disagree and let the market play itself out. Now with VisionOS and Android XR, established major manufacturers are shipping spatial computing devices with SKUs finally moving beyond budget pure gamers.

Several human-computer-interaction (HCI) use cases and media formats can only be transformatively better done through spatial computing.

Major HCI breakthroughs would need to happen to change that while the technology constraints continually are being alleviated for spatial computing to continually flourish as always intended.

 

[dantay]

You don’t work for Apple nor know their success metrics for a prosumer product that never had mainstream sale aspirations—the sheer parts cannot scale to mainstream sale targets.

Let’s agree to disagree and let the market play itself out. Now with VisionOS and Android XR, established major manufacturers are shipping spatial computing devices with SKUs finally moving beyond budget pure gamers.

Several human-computer-interaction (HCI) use cases and media formats can only be transformatively better done through spatial computing.

Major HCI breakthroughs would need to happen to change that while the technology constraints continually are being alleviated for spatial computing to continually flourish as always intended.

I don’t need to work for Apple to know a that the development costs for an “Prosumer” display are minuscule in comparison to a “Spatial Computing” headset, to even bother to argue this is moot.

As I previously said, I’m sure Apple have learned a lot from the development of the Vision Pro but it is a commercial failure that they now want to move on from hence no more development into a more mainstream version as the market simply isn’t there.

 

[lilkwarrior]

I don’t need to work for Apple to know a that the development costs for an “Prosumer” display are minuscule in comparison to a “Spatial Computing” headset, to even bother to argue this is moot.

As I previously said, I’m sure Apple have learned a lot from the development of the Vision Pro but it is a commercial failure that they now want to move on from hence no more development into a more mainstream version as the market simply isn’t there.

…You can’t say it and their flagship prosumer products such as the Pro Display XDR are commercial failures because they don’t resonate with mainstream audiences and don’t sell like mainstream products which are lesser variants of what they accomplish.

The goals and success metrics for such products go beyond what you’re suggesting.

Apple is not obligated to make mainstream variations of every product category they’re in.

Apple again actively already do this when it comes to displays and desktop towers

 

[maflynn]

such as the Pro Display XDR are commercial failures because they don’t resonate with mainstream audiences

But the XDR did resonate to many different demographics, the same cannot be said for the AVP.

Apple is not obligated to make mainstream variations of every product category they’re in.

No, but they are obligated to shareholders to make profitable products use company resources wisely.

 

[Jamie0003]

I think that speaks more about the hardware levels of the AVP than actual demand of the item by giving it a quick chip refresh is not about demand for the item
It’s probably more to do with boosting sales of the actual product

If it was about boosting sales they’d tackle the most important issue: the price

 

[frownface]

hahaha, i half jokingly said somewhere that apple should give people who bought the gen 1 a free upgrade to the gen 2 as a sign of good will since by the time the "killer app" for the AVP comes out; it'll likely be 2028 and the gen 1 won't support it.

I knew that'd be fanciful and wouldn't happen in a million years; but this is like the opposite and doubling down on the FU.

 

[dantay]

…You can’t say it and their flagship prosumer products such as the Pro Display XDR are commercial failures because they don’t resonate with mainstream audiences and don’t sell like mainstream products which are lesser variants of what they accomplish.

The goals and success metrics for such products go beyond what you’re suggesting.

Apple is not obligated to make mainstream variations of every product category they’re in.

Apple again actively already do this when it comes to displays and desktop towers

What are you talking about? I said the display cost far less to develop than the Vision Pro.

Apple is/was well known to be developing a more main stream version of spatial computing that they have now stopped work on.

You have now moved onto arguing points I didn’t make.