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Can’t wait to order the new unit and accept zero trade-in value or option from Apple for being the beta testers or gen 1. Winning!
 
It isn't Apple who is lacking logic.

All the customers who bough a Vision Pro who didn't like it and the price was a "budget stretcvh" would have sold it. There are more than a few folks who a 'former' Vision Pro owners now. Those folks won't benefit at all from a trade-in to Apple since they have nothing to trade-in.

Apple trying to entirce folks who bought a VP second hard is rubbish. There is little upside in Apple doing that. Those folks have already proven they are extremely willing to enage the second hand market and if they want to sell , then that's where they will probably want to go.

Which gets to the to more primary point in that what market is Apple enabling here???? The secondary market for Vision Pro already exists. Apple paying super low prices for a VP is going to help how. Apple is no where near being the market leader at paying the best prices for take used hardware. The market here is relatively extremely small and Apple is going to pay some of the most uncompetitive prices possible. Why would they be jumping up and down to get into that market?

Selling the VP new is on the verge to being a 'too small' market for Apple to operate in. You think the even smaller used market for an already too small market is even more enticing to them? Probably not.

two or three years from not when more folks are 'aging out' of the VP then maybe Apple will be interested (***), but they didn't even start selling these more than a couple years ago. ( after more time it is more as a recycling program thing. )

*** as in offer something that might resemble a decent price. They may try some very uncompetitive pricing before that in more than several months.
Yeah it would make sense what you have typed however you can trade in pretty much anything electronic with apple after a year I believe of it coming out
 
I usually recommend people sell their old tech privately anyway, but this is a weird one. I'm curious what the aftermarket looks like for these. I would imagine in most areas they would be a huge struggle to sell privately. Larger urban areas would likely still be relatively quick, but I wonder at what kind of price point people would be willing to make a deal. Not that I would ever buy one to begin with, but even less so if I'm not able to sell it later.
 
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I usually recommend people sell their old tech privately anyway, but this is a weird one. I'm curious what the aftermarket looks like for these. I would imagine in most areas they would be a huge struggle to sell privately. Larger urban areas would likely still be relatively quick, but I wonder at what kind of price point people would be willing to make a deal. Not that I would ever buy one to begin with, but even less so if I'm not able to sell it later.
It’s about optics probably for apple
Because if you can purchase one previously owned on the official website then it probably doesn’t look good
But if you can sell them on 3rd party sites & places then out of sight out of mind springs to mind
 
I am surprised they didn't do their usual thing…offer money on a trade-in then when they receive it make up some excuse why the value is actually 0 and offer to recycle it or send it back.

-kp
And keep the charger like wtf?!
 
They functionally do. By the time I put 1 TB storage in my OG AVP, got Zeiss prescription lenses, a second battery, case, and third party over-the-head strap (Belkin), I ended up forking over nearly $5K for it.

I love it, but there is no way I'll be spending the $$$ to get a faster one, even if there WERE a trade-in path. No trade-in makes assurance doubly sure. No way, Jose.
Nice to read that you are loving your AVP :cool:

I'm looking to buy a 1tb M5 for myself, need to store demo again and see if I need inserts or not. Didn't use any on the demo and it looked good. I only use reading glasses and when using AVP the illusion is that everything you look at seems to be a few feet away.

The movie watching experience and the ultrawide Mac mirror display are amazing features IMHO.

As for when the product comes to end of life when something better (glasses?) comes along I think due to the lower sales volumes compared to iPad, iPhone etc. its definitely a product to box up and leave for a few decades ..... current rrp might seem like a steal at that point
 
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…You don’t get much of a mainstream pulse of a product based on a product not meant for most people.

Mainstream sale numbers are NOT the success metric for the Vision Pro, Pro Display XDR, Mac Studio, and more.

More able to trickle down their tech at out of reach prices to an eventual mainstream product like the XDR screen tech on all flagship prosumer products with a screen is more of their idea of success.

Vision Pro’s takeaways and experience making a good spatial computing product with minimal compromises is invaluable towards making mainstream option for engineers and designers rather than doing the opposite.

Even game devs are doing this.

Mainstream / budget buyers feel a type of way waiting, but the world doesn’t always revolve around them (look at the GPU market). They’ll live.

You think Porsche Teycan buyers give a pulse of the overall EV Sedan market? You think Nvidia 5090 buyers give a pulse of what budget GPU gamers decide to settle with (some desperate to play on anything that boots up an operating system)?
Apple cancelled development work on their more mainstream headset due to the disappointing sales of the Vision Pro, so regardless of what they learned it was bad enough that they changed their future plans regarding “spatial computing”

I do think Porsche Taycan (correct spelling) buyers care that they experienced some of the highest first year EV depreciation on record regardless of how much money they may or may not have. I’m sure they also weren’t over the moon about the multiple recalls their vehicles had as regardless of wealth, it’s very inconvenient to have to keep returning your car to the dealership for non ota updates and hardware changes.

If you want to use automotive comparisons do a little research first.

I’m sorry you were triggered by my comment on the Vision Pro but your snarky use of wealth as a guide to reinforce your point (unsuccessfully) really does say a lot more about you than my comment does about the Vision Pro.
 
It’s quite simple. There isn’t enough of a market for the item. If there was trade in would be a thing for it. Also the new one doesn’t really do anything the old done doesn’t so no one will be upgrading either.
 
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It was perfectly clear at the time - and priced as such - that this was essentially a Dev Kit in all but name. They did some minimal general marketing but otherwise it was obvious.

Some (though not many - i still remember those who predicted that they'd be back ordered for many months due to massive demand and small supplies from Sony) sucked up the hype and thought devs would be making many apps and jumped in but hey ho.. the market has spoken.

To expect Apple to accept trade ins for such a device is comical. And if there is a market out there for trading in then im sure others will offer it but meh.. i doubt the original VP will have retained much value
 
I don't know why people see this as a burn - IMO as a Vision Pro owner, there is literally no reason for me to upgrade. I spent $3,500 18 months ago and it *still* is not really outdated by any new model. That's a *good* thing for early adopters, not a bad thing. If you would trade your M2 AVP in on a $2000 loss just to upgrade the CPU alone, you have more money than sense anyway.

If they put R2 and revised passthrough pipeline, I would want to upgrade. But just for extra CPU headroom? M2 does struggle sometimes, but for what is basically a home theater system my M2 model is just fine.

This is upgrade/refresh entirely driven by Apple desire to sunset M2 manufacturing and transition all their current products to new chips to leverage economy of scale for M5 manufacturing runs.
It’s more about wanting to drop some rage or bottled feelings somewhere online. Many aren’t having it any easy as of some years now.
The proof is in the tone, it’s not neutral or corporate driven like: “it would have been nice if Apple to…” instead it goes along the lines of mocking Apple or the users of AVP or both.

For some it’s on X/Instagram/Bluesky… and for the Apple enthusiast it will land here on MR. Granted that it’s very distasteful and makes the environment around here muddier.

Ultimately some call it out, “MR crowd always finding things to complain about” several have said.
Most comments are from people that don’t have an AVP, won’t ever have an AVP, don’t care about an AVP, some might not even have any single Apple product… but feel indignation or compelled to emit an opinion against this situation or to mock the buyers.
 
It's weird that I can spend $500 on a Quest 3 and have way, WAY more fun with that than is possible with the $3500 AVP because Apple doesn't seem to care to support VR gaming on it and there are no controllers.

I swear; Apple could have sold a lot more of these things had they made them more VR-focused, with controllers and supported SteamVR. People like to spend crazy amounts of money on VR stuff and Apple ignored that market.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/alvr/...to,for hardcore spatial computing enthusiasts.
 
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Why 1TB though? I’m thinking 256.
Don't like having to juggle things off/on a device to prevent maxing out the storage so would need to go 512gb as a minimum ......by that point your ⚽⚽'s deep invested its "only" another £200 to max out to 1tb.......with possibly of many years before an update/refresh/the next evolution(glasses??) during that time you may find new use cases for AVP and be glad you spent the extra £200......just my thoughts 😎
 
Like literally "anything" to soften the blow would be smart by Apple.

Instead, this now figures into the minds of prospective buyers on the front end.

"It's $3500 AND I'll have to hawk it on ebay or facebook eventually to recoup anything out of it at all"
Except that Apple’s offers are always extremely low and it would be insultingly low for such a pricey device, and I can’t imagine anyone on this forum complaining about that.🙄

I do find it reassuring that most of the forum members that actually own the AVP seem to have little issue with this. Those complaining most about it are the ones that would never buy an AVP anyway, as they seem to enjoy spending their time talking about how they never, ever think about the AVP.
 
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Don't like having to juggle things off/on a device to prevent maxing out the storage so would need to go 512gb as a minimum ......by that point your ⚽⚽'s deep invested its "only" another £200 to max out to 1tb.......with possibly of many years before an update/refresh/the next evolution(glasses??) during that time you may find new use cases for AVP and be glad you spent the extra £200......just my thoughts 😎
I know some people who bought 1TB and 512GB models and they say they like to download larger movies. But I am rarely have time to watch more then 2 hours of a content in a row and I am fine with deleting cached movies and TV shows of the device. I am also do not planning to rip 4K 3D Blue-Ray disks. I am not planning to store my music library which is stored on Mac. Most of the time I am going to use the headset in Xcode which is not even installed on the device and will run on my 1TB MacBook Pro. So why I need an extra space? I mean £200 is not a small amount of money. I can get the official carrying case for this price.
 
I think Apple really doesn't want us to buy the OG M2 version. They want to raise baseline to M5 as soon as possible, with double RAM. If they accept trade-ins they will have to sell them as refurbs. Which means there will be some people buying the M2 version instead of M5.
 
I know some people who bought 1TB and 512GB models and they say they like to download larger movies. But I am rarely have time to watch more then 2 hours of a content in a row and I am fine with deleting cached movies and TV shows of the device. I am also do not planning to rip 4K 3D Blue-Ray disks. I am not planning to store my music library which is stored on Mac. Most of the time I am going to use the headset in Xcode which is not even installed on the device and will run on my 1TB MacBook Pro. So why I need an extra space? I mean £200 is not a small amount of money. I can get the official carrying case for this price.
I will be pedantic and point out that there actually are no 4K 3D Blu-ray discs, only because that fact annoys me, in that they never developed the format beyond 1080p. Another botched product introduction where they pushed unfinished tech out with oversized expectations and killed it just as the technology reached a point where it was finally appealing (passive 3D on my LG 4K OLED is still quite impressive and infinitely better than the active shutter glasses based first generation 3D Sony LCD I purchased initially.)
 
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I use the AVP for work everyday so to me just a tool. If the trade in is "0" then there should be a deflation of the remaining version 1 devices which will create a good secondary market for repair and maintenance. Apple will still need to support with Apple Care.
I expect more adoption of folks using version 1 as a result of deflation. That would create a nice surge of development. Sort of like the path of the Newton.
 
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