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Actually, for the US in 2013:

We have to use estimates from the same source, otherwise the math can wander all over. Say, a source dedicated to electronic payments, e.g. here, which gives 2014 US CC fraud at about 12% by value.

Fraud is a red herring, anyway. Heck, issuers make their living charging merchants for handling consumer money and fraud. Fraud goes up, their charges go up. If they really were worried about fraud, they'd have implemented EMV or better in the US long ago. Even now, they're just doing chip & signature, because they're far more concerned with keeping people spending money (the more spent, the larger their cut). Moreover, the fraud will simply shift to card-not-present purchases, as happened in EMV regions.

However, despite downsides such as having to share valuable purchase stats with Apple -- which previously they kept to themselves -- and giving networks more power, there are definitely benefits to Apple Pay for issuers. One is that, unlike a proxy payment service such as the original Google Wallet that hides what you bought, the issuers continue to get their usual purchase info flow keyed directly to each of us, which is especially valuable now that the merchant loses the same personalized info.

Issuers make money selling such info and/or advertising slots back to the merchants. Which is why major merchants hate Apple Pay. They still can get the ability to advertise to targeted groups, but now they have to pay the issuers for it, and the groups are less personalized.

This flow of personal purchase information is another reason why issuers are willing to pay Apple a cut.
 
cashback is money that goes back into your credit card account, which you can redeem as a statement credit. 10% off is simply 10% off, buy a $100 item with 10% off is $90+tax, but this is not the case with this offer.

so you pay $100 for the item up front and on your credit card statement the item is $100, but your cashback will still be $10?
 
so you pay $100 for the item up front and on your credit card statement the item is $100, but your cashback will still be $10?
yes, the $10 cashback will be on your account within 1 or 2 statement periods.
 
If they really were worried about fraud, they'd have implemented EMV or better in the US long ago.

There was no need to before when there were still other countries using magstripe; real-time verification of all transactions was good enough. But now that we're the only country still using it, banks don't really want to be responsible for 50% of the world's credit card fraud (which your own numbers show is fairly unsustainable at this point).
 
While the press release says all cardholders get the 10% cashback, I could find nothing online about this when I logged into the website. Then I looked in the Discover Apple Pay FAQ and found this:
Which cards are eligible for the Apple Pay 10% Cashback Bonus promotion?

The following Discover cards are eligible for the promotion:

  • Discover it®
  • Discover it Chrome
  • Discover More®
  • Discover Open Road®
  • Discover Motiva℠
I'm not sure what I've got since my card just says "Discover Cash Back". Looks like I need to give them a call.

I also found this:
Using Apple Pay With Your Discover Card | Discover

Discover Cardmembers can earn 6% on every purchase they make when they shop with their Discover Card using Apple Pay, now through December 31, 2015

when I searched for Applepay. Looks like they can't make up their minds.
 
I wonder about buying gift cards at a store like Walgreens? Is there some limit on gift card purchases with credit cards? Even something like a $500 Amex gift card with $7 fee would be $50 cash back. I'll have to see what kind of gift cards they carry.

What are some other ways you could get yourself close to the full $1000 cash back? I just don't have many retailers near me.
 
To bad Discover is being drop by small businesses because of the increased fees on Discover cards compared to rates on other cards! Several small business owners told me about this!
 
I have an iphone 5S, which I updated to iOS9... I have an Apple Watch so I can use Apple Pay... Tried to add my discover card, it said I needed to update my software on my watch, it's up to date. So it looks like if you don't have WatchOS 2, you're screwed. There's no word on when WatchOS 2 is coming out. Looks like I won't be getting 10% Cash Back on my iphone 6S purchase next week. :(
 
i had no problems adding my discover card to my iPhone with iOS 9 but trying to pay at Whole Foods, it looks like it works (phone says done! Ding!) and it accepts my fingerprint and look like success but the cashier says no payment went through on their screen. Tried again today at different store, same problem. Discover says they have not heard of any problem. Whole foods says they have not heard of any problem. Awesome.
 
I have an iphone 5S, which I updated to iOS9... I have an Apple Watch so I can use Apple Pay... Tried to add my discover card, it said I needed to update my software on my watch, it's up to date. So it looks like if you don't have WatchOS 2, you're screwed. There's no word on when WatchOS 2 is coming out. Looks like I won't be getting 10% Cash Back on my iphone 6S purchase next week. :(

I have the same setup and was advised to install developer's profile and download GM of watchOS 2. It worked, and I was able to use it today in two different stores and Panera with no problems.
 
i had no problems adding my discover card to my iPhone with iOS 9 but trying to pay at Whole Foods, it looks like it works (phone says done! Ding!) and it accepts my fingerprint and look like success but the cashier says no payment went through on their screen. Tried again today at different store, same problem. Discover says they have not heard of any problem. Whole foods says they have not heard of any problem. Awesome.

We had the same issue at whole foods today (2 separate discover cards and iPhones). Anyone have discover work at whole foods? I know our card works elsewhere (Walgreens, pei Wei, and the Apple Store so far)...
 
We had the same issue at whole foods today (2 separate discover cards and iPhones). Anyone have discover work at whole foods? I know our card works elsewhere (Walgreens, pei Wei, and the Apple Store so far)...
Works fine with my Apple watch at WF and other grocery stores. I used it about five times already.
 
FYI, First Data terminals don't seem to support Discover when tapping (in particular, ones that look like the below):

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When I attempted at one place today I got a "Insert/Swipe or Try Another Card" error message, but tapping a Visa card using Apple Watch immediately afterward just made it get stuck on "Processing" forever. It wouldn't even let me insert a card, so they had to manually enter the card number. Kinda embarrassing. :(
 
To bad Discover is being drop by small businesses because of the increased fees on Discover cards compared to rates on other cards! Several small business owners told me about this!

I'm not sure about that, most new small business has these new modern looking cash register that will take all major credit card (I think its a package deal in terms of what they have to accept). I went to two small business today, one of them has those small old looking credit card swipe machine, they reject my Discover card right away, the second was this particular new modern looking register, which I have seen at many new stores, those will take my AMEX and Discover. Basically when I see those newer machine, I can almost be sure they will take AMEX and Discover, which are typically turned down by stores. I know that lots of the new small business are dumping those old looking swipe machine in favor of these newer machine.
 
I have the same setup and was advised to install developer's profile and download GM of watchOS 2. It worked, and I was able to use it today in two different stores and Panera with no problems.

How do I do that? Do I enroll in Apple's developer program?
 
yes, the $10 cashback will be on your account within 1 or 2 statement periods.

It's more like within 3 days. Or you can have the cashback bonus direct deposited into one of your checking accounts, also done within a few days.
 
Anyone having trouble adding their Discover Card? I get through all verification parts except the last one, when Apple Pay is contacting the issuer and I get an error. I tried on the watch App and the Discover App on my phone, it won't let me add my Discover More card.
 
I have an iphone 5S, which I updated to iOS9... I have an Apple Watch so I can use Apple Pay... Tried to add my discover card, it said I needed to update my software on my watch, it's up to date. So it looks like if you don't have WatchOS 2, you're screwed. There's no word on when WatchOS 2 is coming out. Looks like I won't be getting 10% Cash Back on my iphone 6S purchase next week. :(

I spent a little while trying to add my Discover card to my setup (5S/iOS9, WatchOS2) and it wouldn't work. A quick search shows: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7232243

Apparently I have to wait to get a 6S in order to use this at all.. How disappointing :\
 
I spent a little while trying to add my Discover card to my setup (5S/iOS9, WatchOS2) and it wouldn't work. A quick search shows: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7232243

Apparently I have to wait to get a 6S in order to use this at all.. How disappointing :\

I don't know if I buy that. Unless all 5/5S users with a watch are having this issue. I actually wanted to purchase my 6S, using Apple Pay on my discover to get 10% back. Can't really do that if I can't add it to my current setup.

How to Add Your Discover Card to Apple Pay
  • On iPhone® just open the Wallet app and tap the plus sign. From there, follow the onscreen instructions.
  • On Apple WatchTM, open the Apple Watch app on your iPhone and select "Wallet & Apple Pay," then tap "Add Credit or Debit Card." From there, follow the onscreen instructions.
  • Have the Discover Mobile App? You can add your Discover card to Apple Pay and manage your devices right from the app.
 
Discover on my Watch works fine*. I have an iPhone 6 but that shouldn't matter. The clerk at Walgreens last night was telling me that I was the first person whose watch actually worked though, so it might be a bug with watchOS or how the first Discover cards were provisioned.

*I did run into a store that doesn't take tapped Discover but my iPhone would have failed there too if I used the Discover card for it.
 
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