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Nah someone has to pay for Iger's multiple homes and yachts. He didn't come out of retirement to not get a nice bonus/golden parachute.

please think of Iger's salary. we all need to make sacrifices.

I'm not here to "defend" Iger's compensation but let's be realistic. Even if Disney took Iger's entire annual salary, bonus and stock incentives, and distributed it evenly to all Disney+, Hulu and ESPN+ subscribers (subscriptions), each one would only get around 12 cents total or around 1 cent per month.
 
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That’s the thing, getting billed through Apple makes cancellation/ resubscribing, stupidly easy. Matter of fact you can just cancel immediately after the booking for the streaming service appears as being billed.
Exactly and if something new you want to watch appears after the sub lapses, you find the cancelled sub on an apple device and resub
 
The person you replied to never said that they need companies to care about them. To be honest, I don't think anybody has. I don't know where this idea comes from.

Reminding/warning people that companies will screw you over at every turn to extract more money from your pocket (whether legally, ethically, or otherwise) != wishing for companies to care about you. It simply means that you need to keep your guard up and support regulations that keep big business in check whenever possible.
Unfortunately straw man arguments are now the norm online. It's frustrating to read but alas.
 
Unfortunately straw man arguments are now the norm online. It's frustrating to read but alas.
I am the person who responded to him, and here is the message I was responding to:

Please, people, think about it. You're defending huge companies that don't care about you and exist only to extract as much profit from you as possible. Sharing a Netflix account is not "stealing", they even encouraged it a few years back with a tweet. They have a right to change their policy, but don't act as if we were doing something wrong before because we weren't.

So many people here do it for Apple too... I mean seriously I do like Apple products but they're still a big greedy corporate entity that doesn't care about you, just like Netflix, Disney, and so on.

You'll notice that twice he mentioned companies that don't care about you. So bringing that up isn't a straw man, it's directly related to the discussion.
 
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I am the person who responded to him, and here is the message I was responding to:


You'll notice that twice he mentioned companies that don't care about you. So bringing that up isn't a straw man, it's directly related to the discussion.
My point in saying that is that they don't care about you, so you shouldn't care about them by backing them and accusing people who share accounts of "stealing".
 
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My point in saying that is that they don't care about you, so you shouldn't care about them by backing them and accusing people who share accounts of "stealing".

I don't expect them to care about me. That's nothing something I pay them for, and I don't have any delusions that they would care about me in any way. I'm dollar signs to them. And they're content to me. That's the arrangement.

Beyond that, taking something without paying for it is stealing. So a point of technicality, but the person sharing the account isn't stealing so much as they're holding the door open for someone else so they can steal.
 
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The last year I dumped Netflix, MAX, Disney+ and Peacock Premium. I have only kept Prime Movies (mostly because I use prime for shipping, but I do like the virtual equivalent of diving into the Walmart discount DVD barrel every once in awhile), AppleTV+ because it's effectively free with AppleOne and PBS which has pretty good content for $5/mo.

I'm not being a cheapskate. I just got tired of paying for services that stopped producing compelling content and started rearranging deckchairs to squeeze out more profits instead. If Netflix wants my money they are going to have to at least put up a third season of Mindhunter.
Aside from cable and SiriusXM, Apple TV, discovery plus, max, peacock, Netflix, Apple Music we picked up Hulu. Not interested in Disney or paramount.
 
I don't expect them to care about me. That's nothing something I pay them for, and I don't have any delusions that they would care about me in any way. I'm dollar signs to them. And they're content to me. That's the arrangement.

Beyond that, taking something without paying for it is stealing. So a point of technicality, but the person sharing the account isn't stealing so much as they're holding the door open for someone else so they can steal.
I didn't mean you specifically, just people in general.

It's still not stealing, because Netflix allows it, and even said we could do it once. They've changed their policy so now it's debatable, but accusing people of theft when they're doing something the company allowed and encouraged isn't very nice.
 
I didn't mean you specifically, just people in general.

It's still not stealing, because Netflix allows it, and even said we could do it once. They've changed their policy so now it's debatable, but accusing people of theft when they're doing something the company allowed and encouraged isn't very nice.

7/11 gives out free slurpees once a year. You're not entitled to take a free slurpee every day. Tumblr used to allow porn, now they don't, you don't get to keep posting porn because you used to. Nobody has managed to show me anything so far that supports Netflix allowing, or encouraging password sharing, besides a clearly joke tweet.

I'm not worried about being nice, I'm worried about being accurate. Taking something you haven't paid for, is stealing.
 
Please, people, think about it. You're defending huge companies that don't care about you and exist only to extract as much profit from you as possible.
Yes I’m defending a company’s right to fall flat on their faces.
Sharing a Netflix account is not "stealing", they even encouraged it a few years back with a tweet.
Orion the same household they encouraged sharing.
They have a right to change their policy, but don't act as if we were doing something wrong before because we weren't.
It was fine to share within your household, never really fine to share with 200 of your closest friends.
So many people here do it for Apple too... I mean seriously I do like Apple products but they're still a big greedy corporate entity that doesn't care about you, just like Netflix, Disney, and so on.
We’ll apple does care, just look at the money and Ppe donated during lockdown.
 
[…]. It simply means that you need to keep your guard up and support regulations that keep big business in check whenever possible.
Yes. My bank, hospital, water company, supermarket should be regulated and in check. Netflix should be regulated by supply and demand. Obviously we’re not talking fraud which should always be regulated, but my bank can do more damage to me than Netflix by a long shot.
 
Beyond that, taking something without paying for it is stealing. So a point of technicality, but the person sharing the account isn't stealing so much as they're holding the door open for someone else so they can steal.

7/11 gives out free slurpees once a year. You're not entitled to take a free slurpee every day. Tumblr used to allow porn, now they don't, you don't get to keep posting porn because you used to. Nobody has managed to show me anything so far that supports Netflix allowing, or encouraging password sharing, besides a clearly joke tweet.

I'm not worried about being nice, I'm worried about being accurate. Taking something you haven't paid for, is stealing.
Stealing involves depriving someone of something. If I'm paying for a Netflix account that allows for 3 simultaneous streams and I decide to let 2 other people (e.g. your kid who's away at college) use the 2 streams that I'm not using but paid for, that's not stealing. The account is not being used any more than what it allows for (3 simultaneous streams). Netflix isn't losing anything that hasn't been paid for.

There is zero difference between (A) 3 simultaneous streams taking play under one roof/address and (B) 3 simultaneous streams occurring under 3 different roofs/addresses except for where the streaming is taking place. 3 streams were paid for and no more than 3 streams are being used at any one time.

As for you thinking their "Love is sharing a password" tweet was a joke, it was not.


"Password sharing is something you have to learn to live with, because there’s so much legitimate password sharing, like you sharing with your spouse, with your kids .... so there’s no bright line, and we’re doing fine as is."



"We love people sharing Netflix," CEO Reed Hastings said Wednesday at the Consumer Electronics Show here in Las Vegas. "That's a positive thing, not a negative thing."
 
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When Netflix and Hulu started, the entire friggin point was that you had two stops to watch everything you wanted.

Companies saw this and said, “WE WANT ALL OF THE MONEY AND NETFLIX/HULU CAN SUCK EGGS.” And…here we are with bajillions of subscription services. It’s all about the bottom line as many have already said.

Now the bottom line is sucking because the model of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pay services was never sustainable and no consumer that isn’t stupidly rich would subscribe to all of them anyway.

That is part of the appeal of Max right now. ONE STOP = HBO, DC, Discovery, etc. I can cancel Disco+ and not miss it because everything I see there is on Max.

Disney just needs to 100% consolidate into Hulu or Mouse+. Consumers are not spending for it anymore as 200 separate things.
Yes but unfortunately the real underlying problem is that it's still too cheap, the studios are not making enough money to sustain these services, and thats before the current strikes. Now you have writers and actors wanting residuals, and the residuals simply don't exist because these streaming services don't have ads, so the whole system doesn't work unless they each raised their prices to like $70-$100 a service, or got rid of the no ad options. Which either of those would piss off consumers way too much, and rightfully so, causing everyone to cancel. And unfortunately many people here just think that pirating is the solution, but the truth is that will make everything worse. Enough money is already not being generated, which means actors and writers (and now possibly VFX houses if they all unionize) will not get paid what they want and the whole thing will collapse.

To put it simply, there's way too much content being made and not enough money being spent for it, the golden days of streaming will come to an end unfortunately. Everyone wants all this content but no one is willing to pay for it, so it doesn't work unfortunately and that really sucks.
 
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They lost $512 million in three months.


 
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That’s all I watch and my kids like Bluey. If I wasn’t getting through Verizon, I wouldn‘t be paying for it.
Verizon sure is pushing people to change to the new unlimited plans. Last year they showered perks on the old unlimited plans.
 
What people need to do is cancel streaming services and just read books and engage in real hobbies instead of being a couch potato
Afraid that ship has sailed. According to a study from the Department of Defense, 80% of Americans between the ages of 17 to 24 are unfit for military service. Reasons people have been deemed unfit are being overweight, drug use, or physical and mental health.
 
Stealing involves depriving someone of something. If I'm paying for a Netflix account that allows for 3 simultaneous streams and I decide to let 2 other people (e.g. your kid who's away at college) use the 2 streams that I'm not using but paid for, that's not stealing. The account is not being used any more than what it allows for (3 simultaneous streams). Netflix isn't losing anything that hasn't been paid for.

There's a lot of grey here.

1. You are depriving the people who worked on the tv shows/movies of their due if you're sharing your password.
2. Looks like on standard tiers, Netflix allows 2 simultaneous devices. Presumably these are within the same home (family), etc, but I don't know the details here. If Netflix is telling you not to share your password with people outside your home, that's a reasonable request.
 
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