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Translation: Everyone is going to subscribe to Disney+ and far fewer are going to subscribe to Apple TV+.

And he's not wrong. Disney's offering is far more compelling and I doubt Apple can beat it on price. Apple would have been better suited to stay a neutral party and host all the services on their platform. Now I worry people will be hesitant to work with Apple, or charge us Apple users extra. Apple should have lowered their subscription cut to something like 5%. Then these companies wouldn't bother with trying to go around them for payments. Imagine how much money 5% of all subscription services would be. Apple is too dang greedy.
 
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I am sure you have already seen when Steve Jobs talks about how did Xerox fail. You probably didn't understand it. History will repeat itself and now Apple plays Xerox's part.
Xerox was/is nothing close to what Apple is today and was never in this dominant of a position, have the earnings, cash, market prowess, etc.

Incidentally, Xerox is not dead and the stock is up 70% this year.

Your prediction is based on zero fact and only conjecture. Nothing in the numbers indicates anything remotely like Xerox failing.
 
Apple TV+ and Disney+ are not rival platforms.
Apple TV+ is the Amazon Prime Video "value add" model.
Disney+ is the Netflix "independent product" model.

Amazon doesn't have Amazon Prime Video to compete (directly) with Netflix. Amazon has Amazon Prime Video to add value to its Amazon Prime subscription model.

Its ecosystems vs. products.
 
Yeah, I feel the same, but I need to step back and think about it a bit more. It's odd to say that the consumer suffers from greater competition in the market-- there are definitely businesses where that's true, but is entertainment one of them?

Assume that the following were true. Streaming services were prohibited from producing content and/or owning it. Also, assume that content owners were prohibited from signing exclusive deals with a streaming service.

What would be the basis on which the streaming services would compete:

  1. Price
  2. UI (discovery, control, family profiles, suggestions)
  3. Quality

Price would either be based on scale (a larger player could negotiate better deals with content providers), margin or cutting quality (delivering at lower bit rates or resolution, etc.).

The reality is that reality is that streaming services are just middlemen and for the most part, do not offer much inherent value. Having the large content producers directly deliver to the consumer, has the potential to lower the overall price, if they are able to reach the needed scale (something that all 5 big major studios should be able to do).

There's a few things happening here and I need to tease them apart. There appears to be more competition in streaming services and there's consolidation of the content generation-delivery system.

Actually a better way of looking at this is that the content producers are eliminating the middle level of distribution, which should eliminate waste and cut costs overall to the end user.

I'm frustrated that I can't just use one service to access all the content that I would like to, but is that because I'm limited or because there's so much more good content being created by this system that I'm forced to choose?

It is simply because $10 a month cannot pay for all the content being generated. People used to pay $50-$150 for a cable subscription. Eliminating the cable company only eliminates some of that cost, but people were spoiled (and misled) for the short time that Netflix had an unsustainable deal with many of the studios. While they were a small player, studios were just looking at them as incremental revenue. Once they began destroying the studios' larger revenue streams (home video, VoD, MSOs, etc.) something had to change.

Maybe it's just a false assumption that if Netflix didn't try making content, I'd be able to stream Disney through their service, and if Apple didn't then I'd be able to consolidate Netflix into the Apple TV app.

Both assumptions are false. Netflix needed to start producing its own content because it knew that its role as a middleman did not generate enough value, and that, eventually, the content producers would understand this and not renew their deals.

Disney realized that Netflix was not paying anywhere near enough for the value it was receiving and decided that they had enough content to make their own streaming service.

On the other hand, Netflix is not in Apple's TV app because it does not want to be disintermediated. They wanted consumers to have to go to their app, and not let Apple deliver the content without the customer knowing who was delivering it, and not proving the demographic data they wanted/needed. Netfilx choose not to be part of the TV app before Apple started spending money on content.

It's probably good business because I feel pressured to subscribe to more than one service to get the content I want, which means I'm spending more than I would have otherwise, which means this sector is growing. I'm frustrated by the pressure to spend more or be disappointed that I can't see Game of Thrones, Stranger Things, Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Monsters Inc, Star Trek Discovery and... I dunno, I'm sure TV+ will put something out worth watching...

I am still not sure how anyone thought that it would be possible to go from a cable subscription for $50-$150 to a Netflix subscription for $10 and expect to receive the same volume of content as before.

I'm trying to figure out if I'm actually frustrated by the consolidation or the massive wave of good content... And then I'm trying to think of what the end game is and whether we'll forever have this much good content or if the natural outcome is going to be two major competitors charging enough that I can't justify subscribing to both.

Expect to eventually pay about the same as a cable subscription for the same about of content as one would receive from a cable subscription, but being able to watch it all on demand, and be able to rotate through them, keeping only the services you need each month, based on which shows one wants to watch at that moment.
 
I see this as bad news for Hulu, which has a lot less original content than Netflix. People are going to say okay, we'll add D+, but we're dumping one we already have, and it's going to be Hulu.
 
How about Disney movies being available on ITunes at 4K HDR?!?!?!? This guy is on the board but doesn’t allow it? But Warner bros does? And many other studios???
 
It's very common. You need people with a wide variety of expertise to contribute their advice, and Apple and Disney weren't potential competitors until recently.
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Disney can afford to enter the market with a rock bottom price for Disney+. They have tons of cash, and existing content, to ride it out. Once they build a customer base, they will raise the price. Guaranteed.
Just like their parks :)
 
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It’s all that matters in business. What other evidence do you have? Cook’s job is to increase shareholder value and he’s done that better than Iger. For an investor, Cook is better than Iger.

You want them to take an IQ test? Play chess?

You have no evidence but still act so smug. I give facts and you dismiss them.

Ummm...stock price is very short sighted and not a true indication of a company at all. Unless you are an ultra capitalist and money is all that matters to you.

Better for an investor? All that matters in business? Maybe in the short term, but long term health and growth for a company is not reflected in a day to day stock price at all. And doesn't have anything to do with the intelligence of its CEO.
 
Because?

Ridiculous, unfounded statement.

Go over to DISboards or WDWForums and see what they think about Iger.

From a factual perspective, AAPL has outperformed DIS over the last 10 years and is about 4 times the size.

Cook added $600B in market cap to AAPL since he took over, or about 3 total Disney companies.

Again, Cook has a better record with his company than Iger. Fact. He’s performed better in terms of annual returns (easily) and added FAR more total value.

Iger is CEO of a media company and they STILL don’t have a streaming service. Based on market response today, they’ve been dying to have it and Disney was SUPER late.

I own shares in both companies and think Disney is a top 5 company, but Cook has done better.


Disney is late, but has decades of content that people have proven over that time that they want to view. Plus they own 2 major movie/tv studios and the rights to a large number of valuable billion dollar so far franchises. If I’m going to be late starting a streaming service I want to be in Disney’s position rather than Apple’s, at least to start.
 
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Can you show me your successful company?

Can you give any counter points to his excellent points? All you seem to want to do is call names and laugh at people. Meanwhile he's winning this argument by a country mile. Because he's presenting facts and you're presenting hot air.

How about your backup your statements with some facts? If he's so wrong, please educated me and tell me why. With facts. No snarky comments. Not failed attempts at being funny or clever. If he's as wrong as you are painting him out to be, please provide some documentation for that. I'd love to learn what I'm missing here. Please educate me.
 
For Apple TV +, it seems they just want to focus on their own television channel of original content. I get they want to be unique by creating educational and inspiring shows. Have to admit that Sesame Street and learning to code is kinda cool. But that is not enough for me to be more interested in their service. Disney + is far more superior with proven high quality content that more people will actually enjoy. Disney is a powerful established brand for decades, that touches people’s hearts of all ages, with its incredible animation library of movies and shows. Just don’t see the value of Apple TV + yet. So far it seems, Apple is doing what they want, but not what the people want. Having an exclusive feature with Disney + integrated and baked into iOS (and other Apple devices) would be interesting. I know they are trying to duplicate the success of Apple Music. But the value and good library of content needs to exist, if they want to do something similar with watchable programming.
 
Money isn't everything. Tim did a lot of damage to the company. Apple is peaking now and will go downhill. In a lot of ways they are already down. Stocks and customer satisfaction don't go hand in hand.
100 trolls on a fan site aren’t evidence that customer satisfaction is down lol. Apple monitors that particular metric very closely, and based on the complaints from the usual suspects here, would you think this level of customer sat (via 451 Research) is possible?
  • 98% for iPhone X, 8, and 8 Plus combined
  • 99% for iPhone XR, XS, and XS Max combined
Unsupported blanket statements such as “Tim did a lot of damage to the company” and “Apple is peaking now and will go downhill” are unconvincing. It would help to make your case if you would provide some evidence to back up your pronouncements.
 
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Can you give any counter points to his excellent points? All you seem to want to do is call names and laugh at people. Meanwhile he's winning this argument by a country mile. Because he's presenting facts and you're presenting hot air.

How about your backup your statements with some facts? If he's so wrong, please educated me and tell me why. With facts. No snarky comments. Not failed attempts at being funny or clever. If he's as wrong as you are painting him out to be, please provide some documentation for that. I'd love to learn what I'm missing here. Please educate me.
Facts about what actually?
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  • 98% for iPhone X, 8, and 8 Plus combined
  • 99% for iPhone XR, XS, and XS Max combined
Can you link me the source who paid for these statistics?
 
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Seems like overreaction here. Disney is not competing with appletv but offering their exclusive content. Which majority of families will have along with disney fans. Especially for the price.

Playing disney movies and cartoons without switching dvds or vhs that are in vault this is superb.

And the fact ghat its a copy of apple platform proves that apple had a hand in it.
 
Can you link me the source who paid for these statistics?
If you’re trying to imply Apple paid for these numbers, your wrong. 451 Research (https://451research.com) has 1,000+ clients and over 100 analysts. They have a user insight service called “Voice of the Connected User Landscape” which would exist whether or not they asked the iPhone customer sat question.

So how about you actually reply to my post instead of just snipping the part you don’t want, or can’t, respond to?
 
If you’re trying to imply Apple paid for these numbers, your wrong. 451 Research has 1,000+ clients and over 100 analysts. They have a user insight service called “Voice of the Connected User Landscape” which would exist whether or not they asked the iPhone customer sat question.

So how about you actually reply to my post instead of just snipping the part you don’t want, or can’t, respond to?
I don't see your link to the source.
What do you want me to replay?
 
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Yeah, it's complicated, and I'm probably unrealistic in my expectations. I'm frustrated by the bundling of content creation and delivery. I'd love to be able to see my preferred content through my preferred service.

HBO is owned by AT&T now-- imagine if you could only see Game of Thrones, or Silicon Valley, or Veep or whatever over AT&T wireless... Will I eventually need a Disney Phone to see Finding Nemo?
So you’re against too much vertical integration.
 
I don't see your link to the source.
Refresh the page, I added it shortly after my reply. https://451research.com/

What do you want me to replay?

This:
Unsupported blanket statements such as “Tim did a lot of damage to the company” and “Apple is peaking now and will go downhill” are unconvincing. It would help to make your case if you would provide some evidence to back up your pronouncements.
 
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All these streaming services with different walled content, wonder what will happen and who will win.
 
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It's inevitable to have conflicts in mega-sized companies that are in somewhat overlapping industries. The important thing is that he recuses himself when they talk about things that compete with his business. When that constitutes the majority of the board's business, it will be time for him to go.
 
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