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Again, about 98% of movies have their DI's in 2K. They would have to redo every single special fx shot in 4k. That's time consuming and costly.

That's why I said VFX can be an issue.

That's also why newer film that can financially support it should do their DI in 4K directly. And previously released movies that only have their VFX in 1080p should weigh the pros and cons of redoing them, and decide if, against a prospected boost in sale from it, a 4K conversion is financially responsible...

The thing is that anytime there is a new technology (and TV manufacturers and movie theaters will always push for newer technology to stimulate sales), the distributor will use it as an excuse to bump the price and eventually we won't be paying what the product is worth... but since it'll come gradually, couple of bucks at a time, we'll be groomed and accustomed into it. If they bumped it then dropped it back down when the price of exploitation of the technology has diminished, it'd be another story, but you can still see the two-tier pricing between SD and HD... and HD is way past established.
 
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I've worked in film and TV in Hollywood for 14 years and worked for post color facilities in the past... so I must know SOME things since I've worked at multiple post houses in the past. I also worked in post production as a coordinator for Sony Pictures in Home Entertainment for 3 years. I currently work for the FX networks.

Since you seem to know it all, you already know that anything that has a 4K restore doesn't need to be restored again so that's money already spent and the digital assets is good to be conformed to whatever spec as needed. I know this because this is exactly what I was in charge of when I worked at Sony Pictures. Conforms for iTunes, Amazon, Vudu and Prosieben.

And as I said the DI for Guardians Vol 2 was done in 2K. The information is out there on the internet. Look it up... the information is on the internet. I know THIS because I read up on the specs of the 4K copy of Guardians before I purchased the disc.

Here I'll make it easier for you:
"Regardless, the standard 4K/HDR UHD, presented at 2160p and likely upscaled from its reported 2K digital intermediate (albeit from an 8K source and, per IMDB, Dolby Vision), marks a quality debut to the format for Disney. The boost in color is the most immediately notable quality over the standard Blu-ray."
- http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-2-4K-Blu-ray/182005/

Were Disney to conform this UHD for iTunes' spec they would just take the existing assets (Upscaled 4K Picture + Dialogue Stem (which ever language they choose) + Music Stem + Audio FX Stem) and conform it and output it. There is very little extra work and costs a couple hundred of dollars per conform. I know this because I also handled the billing after ordering said conforms.

I don't know if you're just a angry person or if you misread what I wrote because I was referring directly to a comment about 2K DI assets needing to be "redone".

But I'll take that apology in singles though, thank you. :)

Yes, because I believe you worked in film/tv and didn't bother to read the rest of your post after that statement.
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I am not about to start shelling out more money to Apple for another Apple TV nor am I shelling out more money to Apple for movies I have already bought just so they can charge me some more to turn them into 4K and I am not shelling out more for a display that can you can view 4K movies on. Apple and the studios can start offering something better than the **** they produce these days since very few have a plot and this sci-fi crap has to look a lot more for realistic than what it does now.

Then why waste your time commenting? No one cares. You don't like, entertainment, 4K and are cheap. Aren't you special?
 
Perhaps already addressed (too lazy to read 8 pages of comments!): any word on what 4K rentals will go for? Same as HD rentals? DirecTV has $12 rentals, which is absurd. Looking forward to ordering the AppleTV tomorrow!
 
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Piracy will never end because thieves like you just like to find a reason to justify stealing stuff. "Wha, I can't get something the way I want it. I'll just STEAL it. Look at me, I'm a rebel." Every freaking post has someone like you who finds SOMETHING to complain about to justify why it's cool to be a thief.

Sounds like someone is mad. Didn't know I was a thief by paying my $15 a month for Apple Music, thanks for letting me know lol. There's literally thousands of studies that show piracy actually helps sales and pirates are MORE likely to buy things if they are easily accessible.

http://bfy.tw/DvKB
 
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I see that Dolby Plus will be the Audio on the 4K. Can they update this later to other formats?
 
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Sounds like someone is mad. Didn't know I was a thief by paying my $15 a month for Apple Music, thanks for letting me know lol. There's literally thousands of studies that show piracy actually helps sales and pirates are MORE likely to buy things if they are easily accessible.

http://bfy.tw/DvKB

That's not what you said, you said this is why people Pirate and people who Pirate stuff are thieves. So yeah, I'm actually mad at all the idiots who think being a thief is "cool." Guess that makes me so "unreasonable."
 
Yes, because I believe you worked in film/tv and didn't bother to read the rest of your post after that statement.
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Then why waste your time commenting? No one cares. You don't like, entertainment, 4K and are cheap. Aren't you special?

Has anyone ever called you a crazy person? Cause the shoe might fit.

You see my profile picture That's the cover to one of my short films.

And here ya go:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1764966/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
But I guess that means nothing to you either.


Mods you can ban me for this comment but I'm calling out a loco person if they talk batty like this.

I'll be sure to block you after I know you've seen this ;)
 
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That sounds like Disney... Have you seen the price of admission to one of their theme parks these days? There you go.

$20 for 4k is more than reasonable, since $20 for HD was way overpriced, particularly when you can buy a blu-ray disc for $9-15 for most titles.
 
That sounds like Disney... Have you seen the price of admission to one of their theme parks these days? There you go.

$20 for 4k is more than reasonable, since $20 for HD was way overpriced, particularly when you can buy a blu-ray disc for $9-15 for most titles.

Their price of admission is actually to keep so many people from coming in (they actually stated this a year or 2 ago when they raised the prices for Disneyland).

It's kind of a mean spirited strategy but the parks are overcrowded and this is better in their eyes than turning people away.

And no I don't agree with it. I'm just stating what they stated.

Disney doesn't have a huge 4K library yet so they probably just don't want to commit to it.

They were the first to upgrade SD/720p Digital copies to HD for free on iTunes years ago.
 
Sounds like someone is mad. Didn't know I was a thief by paying my $15 a month for Apple Music, thanks for letting me know lol. There's literally thousands of studies that show piracy actually helps sales and pirates are MORE likely to buy things if they are easily accessible.

http://bfy.tw/DvKB
More like someone is crazy... you should look at her previous posts. They're all extremely aggressive.
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856010/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/technical -Depends on the master.
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The majors now require 24 bit 96KHz stems for future remixing/remastering. The olden days (of a mastering house only delivering a stereo 16/44.1 "ready for red-book" file) are over.
Check this out regarding Netflix:
https://backlothelp.netflix.com/hc/...duction-and-Post-Production-Requirements-v2-1

I'd really love Apple Music deliver 24 bits streamin soon too...but difficult to happen
 
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So far, Disney is at a $5 premium and not $10 like the other studios.

So $24.99 for a 4K download is pretty good considering most others (including catalog) is $29.99.

While $19.99 would be nice, I'm OK with $24.99...since I'll just buy the 4k code anyway for $10.
So far, Disney is at a $5 premium and not $10 like the other studios.

So $24.99 for a 4K download is pretty good considering most others (including catalog) is $29.99.

While $19.99 would be nice, I'm OK with $24.99...since I'll just buy the 4k code anyway for $10.


How do you buy the 4K code for $10?
 
If you also get to keep a copy of that movie for the $30 - $50 'early-bird' viewing then maybe, otherwise it just seems an impatient waste of money.
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How do you buy the 4K code for $10?

Star Wars is one thing, but half of Disney's library is animated. Who the hell needs Dumbo 4k?
 
Old films too. Anything shot on 35mm is close to 4k

Indeed, anything 35mm (or the few things shot in 70mm). But it involves rescanning the film and re-conforming the footage, which I would assume is more expensive than just re-conforming digital footage (and, like stated before, there's VFX to think about also). And the older the film, the more damaged it probably is (depending on how they stored it, etc.) so there might be expenses in restoration also.

Yes, because I believe you worked in film/tv and didn't bother to read the rest of your post after that statement.

Why would it be unbelievable? An awful lot of people do, to different degrees and at different levels...
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If you also get to keep a copy of that movie for the $30 - $50 'early-bird' viewing then maybe, otherwise it just seems an impatient waste of money.
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Star Wars is one thing, but half of Disney's library is animated. Who the hell needs Dumbo 4k?

The nightmare is all of that Pixar and Laika stuff. Can you imagine the cost to re-render something like Toy Story? I'm not talking about a 2k to 4k up-res of the master, but a 4k timeline out to Dolby Vision, etc.
 
Nice of Apple to automatically upgrade old movies - but all mine are a Disney.
Same here. A lot of the stuff we've purchased as been Disney/Pixar for the kids. Although we've tended to go cheap with SD versions. Kids don't know the difference.
 
Disney is on the losing end of this. Customers get 4k if they bought HD. They're promised HD prices. Disney will either lose sales or get with the program. There's no way they don't want Apple's high end market.

There's not much "high end" about AppleTV except the price. They're already behind the competition and overpriced and from what I read they don't support Dolby Atmos or DTS:X (both "high end" audio formats).

The only thing you really get any kind of good deal on is an automatic upgrade of your iTunes movie collection to 4K. That is only useful, of course if you already have a large iTunes movie collection. Putting a $200 box in every room in the house could get expensive to say the least.

I don't know how iTunes 4K will compare to a Blu-Ray UHD, but I can be fairly certain it will be inferior due to the need to compress the signal a LOT more for transmission over the Net. But then I'm pretty ticked already about the industry trying to kill off 3D (more interesting to me than 4K, personally, given most 4K titles are 2K upconverts and HDR is being used to make people notice an actual difference since most people don't sit 5-8 feet from their 60" TVs to actually see 4K resolution. The other big difference is most 4K titles are including Atmos or DTS:X (sadly, they lately seem to be purposely withholding it from regular Blu-Rays to push the more expensive 4K ones), but Apple clearly thinks most people using AppleTV don't actually have real home theaters with receivers and multi-speaker setups or they would include it (it's just meta data so technically speaking their DD+ capability even on the Gen 4 device could technically carry the signal; the like to include 30 sets of subtitles and 7 soundtracks on many newer iTunes titles, but having more channels is apparently beyond them).

The sad thing about Disney, though is that Steve Jobs used to have a pretty high standing with Disney because of their Pixar relationship. I guess Disney decided that doesn't matter now that he's dead. Disney is busy getting ready to pull all their programming from Netflix for similar reasons (GREED) to form their own streaming service (I hope it fails for the greedy buggers).
 
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