Disney to Pull Movies From Netflix, Launch New Streaming Services

[EdT]

Lol. That ray of hope that you have is ADORABLE.
[doublepost=1502233008][/doublepost]
uhhhh.....what?!?!

Lets see, the last 2 Star Wars films, and the one due out around Christmas this year, every Marvel Film except the original Iron Man which was Paramount. They own Pixar, so all of those films dating at least back to the original Toy Story. Pirates of the Caribe..... ok, you got me there.

Point is, Disney controls 70-80 years of films, many of them considered all time classics. You could argue that WB or Paramount could match that output if you look over their history as well but Disney right now is more successful than any other U.S. studio.

No kids, so I don't watch a lot of Disney, but that doesn't make me blind to how successful they are, and how this would have been a huge win for Apple's media hopes (remember, they own ABC and ESPN as well) had Apple - or anyone else- worked out a distribution deal.
[doublepost=1502235966][/doublepost]

The problem is Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc, are now creating their own content. They're Disney's competitors, not friends. It makes no sense for Disney to license their content to competitors and make them stronger.

Good point.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Yeeeah, I cut my cable bill. Yeeeeah, I'm paying more now for less...?

"Cable TV" and "streaming services" are actually different types of products.

Cable has a bunch of channels that each broadcast a single show at a particular time-slot. You're on their schedule. With commercials. You can watch it as it airs... or you can DVR it for later. At least you can skip commercials with a DVR.

Streaming services have a bunch of content on-demand. You get to choose when to watch it. No commercials.

Shouldn't you be paying more for streaming services due to their on-demand nature and no commercials?

 

[Rogifan]

Fragmentation will be the death of this.
Eventually consumers just wont have the money to keep adding a monthly subscription service.

But everyone says they want ala carte and hate cable/satellite. By the time you add up the cost of all these different services to get all the different shows that you want you’re essentially paying what people currently pay for cable or satellite.

 

[Carlanga]

A restaurant offers "meal bundles" and "a la carte" options. The latter is usually more expensive individually than the bundle.

Yes. That is ONE restaurant/owner. Your analogy doesn't work and proves part of my point. Besides that, meal bundles are smaller or made w lesser quality products than a la carte choices. When items are offered at a discounted price w the same quality is because of certain hours or days they need to fill and get a lower profit margin or pull customers in with it to spend more due to others w them or drinks etc etc.
[doublepost=1502236259][/doublepost]

"Cable TV" and "streaming services" are actually different types of products.

Cable has a bunch of channels that each broadcast a single show at a particular time-slot. You're on their schedule. With commercials. You can watch it as it airs... or you can DVR it for later. At least you can skip commercials with a DVR.

Streaming services have a bunch of content on-demand. You get to choose when to watch it. No commercials.

Shouldn't you be paying more for streaming services due to their on-demand nature and no commercials?

I see you don't watch on demand content. Besides Netflix almost everyone else has commercials. Some as long as the ones on regular tv.

 

[Rogifan]

*sigh*

Aside from the issues of having to pay more for each service, this is a horrible UX problem.

If we're going to do this, someone needs to invent a standard way to catalog the contents of each network's service centrally. Apple *may* be able to do this with their TV app, but unfortunately that's Apple, who rarely ever shares their work as an open standard (or "embraces" open standards before dropping them as soon as the money starts to roll in)

Right now though, you have to get an app for each provider. Pretty soon you have to search 5 or more apps to figure out which studio is offering the content you want for streaming. Even if you're willing to pay $10/month to 10 studios, you still have no way to just search all the content and find something!

PLEASE. If we're going to have companies doing their own streaming networks, PLEASE, media companies, agree on a standard way to index and search them! The TV Guide did this for classic cable TV years ago.

But of course, every network thinks their content is the only content worth consuming, so why would anyone help you search others' content...

So basically cable. I have DirecTV. It’s real easy to find out what’s on when and search for content. I also have a DVR and video on demand. My service includes sports and other live programming. What’s so great about ala carte internet offerings that chew up expensive data plans?

 

[Carlanga]

Lol. That ray of hope that you have is ADORABLE.
[doublepost=1502233008][/doublepost]
uhhhh.....what?!?!

Thanks I can "dream". The issue is not going to be lower prices for a la carte on demand. This will come once everyone is accustomed to online content instead of tube BUT we will all have to deal w internet providers costs.
[doublepost=1502236667][/doublepost]

Read my earlier summary of exactly why a la carte will not at all bring down prices and in fact makes them higher. The math is sound. Expect to pay more for each channel/network, just as the cable companies have said for years about the idea of going a la carte.

They have done some good washing. Once it becomes the standard instead of the extra option prices will come down. Middlemans are old business. Look at car insurance brokers and many more. I'm not going to look for your earlier comment, you can link it if you want.

 

[yannickhk]

fmovies.se it is then

 

[spinedoc77]

There's no such thing as "free" ... even if you're going to every content provider and streaming on their websites, you're still subject to ads, and to get the free content you have to authenticate with a cable subscription. Not free.

Tough selling yesterday's technology? How old are they?!?!? If they're Bolt or Roamio, they'll fetch a reasonable price. Ebay, Craigslist, Offerup, etc... tons of options. Tivo boxes with lifetime subscriptions are like iPhones\iPad\iMac, they hold their value well.

Do you happen to have a Roamio you're looking to sell? I'm in the market for one actually.

Wait, don't you need a cable sub to access the channels on your TIVO anyhow? With my cable sub I get ZERO ads, at least on the channels I've tried which are a substantial number. I do love the 30 second TIVO skip, but I love simply having no ads at all even more. But accessing that paid content is FREE, where with the TIVO it's not.

Yesterday's technology, ie: selling a 480p TIVO when 1080p is the norm as just one example. I have some older units that are probably worthless, I think one is a 3rd gen TIVO branded box, another is a Pioneer TIVO box with the DVD recorder built in, and I have the last TIVO Premier model also, all 3 with lifetime service. If I remember correctly EACH box needs it's own subscription, even though they do give a discount for multiple boxes. Years ago I did try to put them on ebay, but they didn't sell and I noticed there was a ton of them for sale at very cheap prices. That's why I'm curious where you list them, although I doubt they are worth anything anymore. Currently I'd have to buy multiple 4k TIVO's + lifetime subs and that's just not an expense I feel like making when I don't need to.

I remember VERY fondly those times, there was nothing else like it and streaming content on the internet was next to impossible. I had some very good times with my TIVO units. Upgrading the hard drives, figuring out how to get content off of them, figuring out how to multi room before TIVO officially allowed it, and the 30 second skip that they patented (and the only thing keeping them alive IMO).

 

[ILikeAllOS]

What sucks is Disney movies haven't been available for long on Netflix, hell they just finally started getting Marvel Studios movies starting with Civil War last year and now Disney is pulling all their stuff from Netflix?
What all of these companies need to understand is that consumers do not want fragmentation, yet every company is trying to make their own version of everything and think consumers are going to just keep tacking on another monthly fee after another.
Even worse is that these companies don't ever think things through.

For example, did they ever consider the accessibility/convenience factor?
Netflix has an app for tvOS and iOS, they have android apps, they are built into Playstation and Xbox, as well as bluray players and smart TVs, they are supported on smaller devices like Roku, etc..
So does Disney plan on spending the time and money to support all these devices too or are they just going to offer the website and maybe an iOS app?
If they don't support all those devices then how do they expect to convince existing Netflix users to agree to yet another fee?

 

[Tapiture]

About damn time. Disney has finally realized their precious cable TV channels are like dinosaurs and Netflix and Amazon are the meteor.

 

[Peace]

All these content producers do not want others to stream their content so they are making their own streaming services.

 

[carrrrrlos]

The internet is the undoing of the middlemen.

 

[naeS1Sean]

I'm chill so I think this is fine.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Don't even get me started on the authentication song and dance I have to go through every damn month. I have multiple devices and have to re-authenticate 20 apps every month. It's painful.

I hear you. Still clinging to DISH myself. Enjoying a real DVR without so many weird conditions & limitations, a unified guide for everything I want to watch, good VOD, the great DISH Anywhere App for watching on a second TV without another DISH box OR watching on my iDevice when I'm on the go, good HD, 5.1 surround sound for most channels instead of just stereo or just mono, integrated local channels into the same guide, etc.

It doesn't burn one byte of capped broadband either so I never have to pay more for broadband use due to exceeding the cap. Nobody in the house needs training to find what they want to watch because all options are in a single place. Channels that I definitely would never want to watch are hidden by using the FAVS option in the guide (but commercials running on those channels contribute to keeping the cost where it is).

This incarnation of TV costs about $74/month including taxes & fees. DISH has partnered with Amazon so there's Alexa voice controls too and, unlike SIRI, Alexa seems to be smarter at hearing what is requested and doing what is asked (here's hoping HomePod efforts are going to bring a much smarter SIRI).

I've looked at every streaming option and they all lose me at simple- but common- wants. For example, none of them have surround sound. I don't want to step back to stereo or mono after assembling a good home theater. A little monetary savings is not worth that to me (of course, others obviously don't care about surround sound). And I can't seem to find one service that covers all of what I want to watch... and I think hopping app-to-app or box-to-box hunting for what I want to watch is just overcomplicating such a conceptually simple thing... only to save maybe $10 or $20/month on a net basis.

And here's the ultimate catch. If we all embrace the hassles of streaming such that we collectively kill off cable, what do we really expect cable to do? Since every single streaming service completely depends on cable's pipe, they'll just make up for their losses with higher broadband rates. So in the end, we end up paying more... and getting less. Just give it a few more years and watch how this plays out.

 

[X--X]

The internet is the undoing of the middlemen.

Except that it's literally brought to you by middlemen ;-)

 

[EdT]

So basically cable. I have DirecTV. It’s real easy to find out what’s on when and search for content. I also have a DVR and video on demand. My service includes sports and other live programming. What’s so great about ala carte internet offerings that chew up expensive data plans?

Once again, I'm not personally a cable cutter but: knowing that the channels you subscribe to are ones that you actually want, not 1 you want and 5 you'll never watch, being able to watch multiple seasons if necessary to catch up on a show, at least some of the channels are commercial free- people tell me Hulu isn't but Netflix is- you can subscribe monthly on many of them, so you can spend that money and time elsewhere if you are all caught up on one channels offerings and want to start another without increasing your bill. And now of course Netflix and Hulu and Amazon are producing their own shows and some of them are really good. And HBO isn't much more expensive, and has many of the watch multiple season benefits using their app instead of subscribing thru cable/satellite.

Downside is probably sports.

 

[farewelwilliams]

I don't get tv and film streaming. Why can't it be like music streaming where you can (in many cases) find the same songs on different platforms? This is most annoying and is forcing people to pay for more subscriptions than would be ideal.

eddy cue explains it perfectly (skip to 33:54 and then 35:00)

 

[lederermc]

I wonder if they will pull content from their cable channels.

 

[EdT]

I hear you. Still clinging to DISH myself. Enjoying a real DVR without so many weird conditions & limitations, a unified guide for everything I want to watch, good VOD, the great DISH Anywhere App for watching on a second TV without another DISH box OR watching on my iDevice when I'm on the go, good HD, 5.1 surround sound for most channels instead of just stereo or just mono, integrated local channels into the same guide, etc.

It doesn't burn one byte of capped broadband either so I never have to pay more for broadband use due to exceeding the cap. Nobody in the house needs training to find what they want to watch because all options are in a single place. Channels that I definitely would never want to watch are hidden by using the FAVS option in the guide (but commercials running on those channels contribute to keeping the cost where it is).

This incarnation of TV costs about $74/month including taxes & fees. DISH has partnered with Amazon so there's Alexa voice controls too and, unlike SIRI, Alexa seems to be smarter at hearing what is requested and doing what is asked (here's hoping HomePod efforts are going to bring a much smarter SIRI).

I've looked at every streaming option and they all lose me at simple- but common- wants. For example, none of them have surround sound. I don't want to step back to stereo or mono after assembling a good home theater. A little monetary savings is not worth that to me (of course, others obviously don't care about surround sound). And I can't seem to find one service that covers all of what I want to watch... and I think hopping app-to-app or box-to-box hunting for what I want to watch is just overcomplicating such a conceptually simple thing... only to save maybe $10 or $20/month on a net basis.

And here's the ultimate catch. If we all embrace the hassles of streaming such that we collectively kill off cable, what do we really expect cable to do? Since every single streaming service completely depends on cable's pipe, they'll just make up for their losses with higher broadband rates. So in the end, we end up paying more... and getting less. Just give it a few more years and watch how this plays out.

Have you looked at Sling TV? Run by Dish with 3 packages topping out at $50.00. I probably would try this if my internet speeds were able to handle it.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

In the end, all of the $9.99’s will add up to more than the corded cable bundle...

Of course, there was never a chance of ending up with a Netflix for everything at a Netflix price. Only us consumers were delusional enough to believe that could somehow happen. Some of us believed it could be commercial-free too (sucking a huge amount of revenue paid for by other people- advertisers- out of the system). Some of us believed that Apple could pile in on top and take their big fat cut too. And some of us still don't believe the other shoe will drop (when cable makes up for cableTV losses by putting the ultimate pinch on all of this with higher broadband rates).

At the end, big cable will still get theirs because EVERYONE else is dependent on their pipes. Success with individual channels or studios just begs for competitive pricing from competitors. For example, if CBS All Access gets it's monthly rate, how long until other "free" channels roll out NBC All Access, ABC All Access, FOX, CW etc at comparable rates. CBS All Access at $6/month times 5 = $30/month for the "big 5" that have traditionally been viewed as the "free" networks. How long until increasingly competitive cable networks pile on?

See the al-a-carte future. More consumer expense for less breadth & depth of programming.

 

[Glideslope]

All these content producers do not want others to stream their content so they are making their own streaming services.

Yup. End Game in sight. Going to make Cable look like a bargain eventually.
[doublepost=1502238688][/doublepost]

I wonder if they will pull content from their cable channels.

Nope. Why would they? They can have their Cake and Eat it to.

 

[Verita]

Netflix seems to become less and less valuable by the year... Pretty soon all they're going to have left is their couple original series, and a plethora of 1990s movies available in the $1.00 DVD bin at Walmart. They keep raising prices yet keep losing content. I have cable TV still (mainly because you can't pry my TiVo from my grips, and I have Hulu. Had Netflix and between raising prices, adding restrictions like streaming to two devices at one time in the same house without paying more, having to pay more for 4K, etc, I ditched them. They're becoming irrelevant with Sling\DirecTVnow\Hulu Live, etc...

Oh yeah? Sell me your stock at discount!

 

[thefourthpope]

I just hope they stay available on Redbox. I'll probably end up trying to purchase the classic titles from my own childhood, but my kids can wait for the major new releases to come to my local CVS parking lot.
We don't do Disney tv anyway.

 

[dstud208]

Fragmentation will be the death of this.
Eventually consumers just wont have the money to keep adding a monthly subscription service.

Already there mate, I canceled everything. I know that I'm not going to really make a difference by myself. But I don't like the idea of forking money out to 36 different companies on a monthly basis. 1 or 2 sure, but not a billion. Now the only streaming service I have is amazon, but thats only because I already have Prime for other stuff.

 

[Verita]

Of course, there was never a chance of ending up with a Netflix for everything at a Netflix price. Only us consumers were delusional enough to believe that could somehow happen. Some of us believed it could be commercial-free too (sucking a huge amount of revenue paid for by other people- advertisers- out of the system). Some of us believed that Apple could pile in on top and take their big fat cut too. And some of us still don't believe the other shoe will drop (when cable makes up for cableTV losses by putting the ultimate pinch on all of this with higher broadband rates).

At the end, big cable will still get theirs because EVERYONE else is dependent on their pipes. Success with individual channels or studios just begs for competitive pricing from competitors. For example, if CBS All Access gets it's monthly rate, how long until other "free" channels roll out NBC All Access, ABC All Access, FOX, CW etc at comparable rates. CBS All Access at $6/month times 5 = $30/month for the "big 5" that have traditionally been viewed as the "free" networks. How long until increasingly competitive cable networks pile on?

See the al-a-carte future. More consumer expense for less breadth & depth of programming.

But the longer-term reality is: people will not sign up for all the accounts, some firms will build a competitive advantage while others wither and die, and consolidation will set in.