Makes my deal I got ($999 for 20" display) back in November not so great. Atleast they are competitvely priced now.
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Perhaps a precursor to the release of 15" and 17" monitors?
I know others have said it already, but I'll irriterate and say that I'm thinking that the price drop may indicate the arrival of 15" and/or 17" monitors. The price drop from the 30" to the 23" is about 40%, it's 45% when going from 23" to 20". From that, I think it's not out of the realm of possibility to see 17" displays for about $550 and 15" displays for $330.
I think this would be a good idea, particularly if the headless iMac rumor pans out. While a headless iMac might be meant for those already with a computer and monitor, I think there'll be a lot who'll say "What the hell!" and pick up a small Apple monitor at the same time. I'm certainly the type that once I take the plunge on a big ticket item I'm more inclined to go all the way and buy all the nice little accessories.
For myself, a 15.4" cinema display at $330 would be perfect. I'm now leaning towards picking up a headless iMac to use for a webserver. If it doesn't come with PVR capabilities builtin, I'll probably splurge and pick up an EyeTV 200. A 15.4" cinema would round out the deal and be a great replacement for the crappy 13" TV I have now in my bedroom.... it'd also be nice to relocate a small monitor to my computer room to hook it up to my Powerbook when I'm doing web development.
I know others have said it already, but I'll irriterate and say that I'm thinking that the price drop may indicate the arrival of 15" and/or 17" monitors. The price drop from the 30" to the 23" is about 40%, it's 45% when going from 23" to 20". From that, I think it's not out of the realm of possibility to see 17" displays for about $550 and 15" displays for $330.
I think this would be a good idea, particularly if the headless iMac rumor pans out. While a headless iMac might be meant for those already with a computer and monitor, I think there'll be a lot who'll say "What the hell!" and pick up a small Apple monitor at the same time. I'm certainly the type that once I take the plunge on a big ticket item I'm more inclined to go all the way and buy all the nice little accessories.
For myself, a 15.4" cinema display at $330 would be perfect. I'm now leaning towards picking up a headless iMac to use for a webserver. If it doesn't come with PVR capabilities builtin, I'll probably splurge and pick up an EyeTV 200. A 15.4" cinema would round out the deal and be a great replacement for the crappy 13" TV I have now in my bedroom.... it'd also be nice to relocate a small monitor to my computer room to hook it up to my Powerbook when I'm doing web development.
I know many will say I've gone over the edge but I plan to replace my PowerMac next week with either a new one or one of the so called mini-macs, so today I bought from Dell the same monitor that I sit in front of at work.
It's the E193FP 19-inch flat panel and I got it for $386.10. I have my current PowerMac plugged into a Planar 191M and have enjoyed it but the picture on the Dell is a little better. I would love to have an Apple one but cannot justify the price when that money can be directed to other hardware/software.
It's the E193FP 19-inch flat panel and I got it for $386.10. I have my current PowerMac plugged into a Planar 191M and have enjoyed it but the picture on the Dell is a little better. I would love to have an Apple one but cannot justify the price when that money can be directed to other hardware/software.
That 20" looks really tempting. The only thing holding me back is that it can't handle a 1080i HD video. The 23" is significantly more expensive. Allthough I saw a 30" the other day and it pretty much screams buy me - the price tag doesn't matter. Good thing the voice of my screaming wife would be a bit louder or else I would be in debt.
Good to see price drops. Still way above my price point though - but I'm not in the market for one. I'll just have to be content with a visit to the Apple Store and a drool... especially dual 30"s 
trans3062 said:
I know where you are coming from. I bought some 17" Dell monitors that I still use. When I put the new 20" iMac G5 next to it I realized that if I were to do it again I would buy a better display - not just bigger but better too.
JGowan said:
Maybe so but sometimes you simply are paying more for a product that has standard hardware. Which isn't getting what you paid for its getting fleeced on a product that should be cheaper. They are counting on people to not comparison shop and simply purchase it because it looks slick with my G5 tower.
LOL. I love the reasoning on the thread so far. It almost sounds a bit like circular logic.
No one seems to bother to look at the actual specs of the hardware they are comparing. Contrast ratio, dot pitch, viewing angle, etc. In almost every case there is a better solution on the market other then Apple which wouldnt be that big of a deal if it wasnt for the fact that they are also cheaper. You want to go with an all Apple solution that costs more that is fine but please don't try pissing in my face and call it rain. Are ACD good? Yes. Are they the best on the market? Close. Are they more expensive then they should be? Damn straight.
My friend just picked up a 2005FPW for $550 shipped... fantastic monitor. I would be crazy to spend $999 on a 20" without dual input.
This makes me wonder...
Apple should take a bold move and allow iMac, iBook and eMac users to use dual-display setups by means of a firmware upgrade. For a very simple reason: If this iMac-mini-think comes into existence, it will be a much more flexible machine than any other consumer Mac. Besides, Apple will likely introduce cheaper displays, and it would be very important that they get to sell them in quantity. They could tap into their user base and sell displays to consumer AIO/laptop users, while providing a nice display for the new headless Mac. Since a huge chunk of those new Mac users will be using their old CRTs (or maybe TFTs), Apple should have a hard time selling those displays to those users, and also to PM users (who are more likely to buy Cinema Displays).
If they sold a lot of those displays, they would become cheap for Apple to "produce" them (I know that Apple-branded displays aren't even made by Apple, but the bigger the orders they place, the better, just like with all iPod and Mac models).
I wouldn't be buying an extra display for my iMac, partly because I don't have the money, but especially because I don't want to install firmware hacks to make dual-displays work. Display mirroring is preety much useless for regular tasks, so I think Apple is being stupidly stubborn on this one...
But think about it... They could do that, and they could also offer a multi-button mouse. Those would sell millions
Apple should take a bold move and allow iMac, iBook and eMac users to use dual-display setups by means of a firmware upgrade. For a very simple reason: If this iMac-mini-think comes into existence, it will be a much more flexible machine than any other consumer Mac. Besides, Apple will likely introduce cheaper displays, and it would be very important that they get to sell them in quantity. They could tap into their user base and sell displays to consumer AIO/laptop users, while providing a nice display for the new headless Mac. Since a huge chunk of those new Mac users will be using their old CRTs (or maybe TFTs), Apple should have a hard time selling those displays to those users, and also to PM users (who are more likely to buy Cinema Displays).
If they sold a lot of those displays, they would become cheap for Apple to "produce" them (I know that Apple-branded displays aren't even made by Apple, but the bigger the orders they place, the better, just like with all iPod and Mac models).
I wouldn't be buying an extra display for my iMac, partly because I don't have the money, but especially because I don't want to install firmware hacks to make dual-displays work. Display mirroring is preety much useless for regular tasks, so I think Apple is being stupidly stubborn on this one...
But think about it... They could do that, and they could also offer a multi-button mouse. Those would sell millions
JGowan said:
I agree, but other than the SWOP certification I can say there is a compelling reason than design to make up the price difference.
Knowing Apple though that could have a flipside. Apple could just as easily cripple the new headless Macs to, say, VGA and a max res. It would be a travesty, but it could happen.Mainyehc said:Apple should take a bold move and allow iMac, iBook and eMac users to use dual-display setups by means of a firmware upgrade. For a very simple reason: If this iMac-mini-think comes into existence, it will be a much more flexible machine than any other consumer Mac. Besides, Apple will likely introduce cheaper displays, and it would be very important that they get to sell them in quantity. They could tap into their user base and sell displays to consumer AIO/laptop users, while providing a nice display for the new headless Mac. Since a huge chunk of those new Mac users will be using their old CRTs (or maybe TFTs), Apple should have a hard time selling those displays to PM users (who are more likely to get Cinema Displays).
If they sold a lot of those displays, they would become cheap for Apple to "produce" them (I know that Apple-branded displays aren't even made by Apple, but the bigger the orders they place, the better, just like with all iPod and Mac models).
I wouldn't be buying an extra display for my iMac, partly because I don't have the money, but especially because I don't want to install firmware hacks to make dual-displays work. Display mirroring is preety much useless for regular tasks, so I think Apple is being stupidly stubborn on this one...
But think about it... They could do that, and they could also offer a multi-button mouse. Those would sell millions
ZildjianKX said:
Congrats. I almost ended up that monitor if it weren't for the typical Dell snafus. I ended up with the 2001FP and could not be happier. If I had gotten the 2005FPW I would have be just as happy.
srobert said:
No, that's not going to happen, since, as someone already pointed that out, most PC users still have PS/2 keyboard and mice. And even if they're bluetooth/usb/cordless usb, chances are they are not hybrid Macintosh/Windows keyboards (I've seen a few from Logitech, but they're rare all the same). And the mouse is still going to be a single-button mouse, which is a shame. That is the only thing that Apple should let you decide: getting the classic single-button mouse, or, like I mentioned, getting an Apple-branded multi-button mouse.
so now it competes with Sony's 20" LCD display, which is priced 950$..
Go Apple Go.. Release the headless cheap iMac..
Go Apple Go.. Release the headless cheap iMac..
johnnyjibbs said:
In MHO, I think that would defeat the whole purpose of that new Mac. And don't come with that "iPod mini was overpriced but people still went crazy about it" crap. No, this time, that won't work, in the same way that NOT EVEN the iMac G5 (which is an almost perfect machine and a thus a sweet deal) is succeding in become the "iPod" of the Macintosh product line (aesthetical similarities aside)... Ok, anyway, if that max. resolution cap was something along 1280x1024, it might not be a big deal... Let's just hope that doesn't happen AT ALL...
http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_L2335/4505-3174_7-30788118-2.html?tag=tab
Cnet gave it a pretty descent review. Seems Apples display was still a little better. Not sure why but that's what the graph said
Is there anywhere I can look at one of these? Anyone know?
But then for a couple of extra $200 you could have the Apple display.
Yes I know HP has all those extra inputs. But I wonder how often will you watch tv in PIP on your monitor? I know I can just turn my head and see my regular tv. And if you are going to use it as a HD display... Are you going to put your computer desk in your living room where the stereo is and surround sound? I don't think so. Trying to reason with my self here
Cnet gave it a pretty descent review. Seems Apples display was still a little better. Not sure why but that's what the graph said
Is there anywhere I can look at one of these? Anyone know?
But then for a couple of extra $200 you could have the Apple display.
Yes I know HP has all those extra inputs. But I wonder how often will you watch tv in PIP on your monitor? I know I can just turn my head and see my regular tv. And if you are going to use it as a HD display... Are you going to put your computer desk in your living room where the stereo is and surround sound? I don't think so. Trying to reason with my self here
Frobozz said:
I'm hearing a few people in this thread put down the idea of a 15" or 17" monitor, because they are so last decade. As if everyone should have a 20" flat screen these days.
I'm sure us Powerbook owners know how much we spent to get a portable option. As a college student, I would love to add a 17" wide screen apple display to my desk to compliment my 15" powerbook screen. A 17" monitor, dual spanned, would actually make me overjoyed in a way that can not be expressed without talking about finals ending, graduating, or shooting professors.
I would love to have a 20" display, but the reality is it probably wouldn't fit on my desk, and a 17" screen would be heaven and a nice compliment to my current set up.
~Tyler
I'm sure us Powerbook owners know how much we spent to get a portable option. As a college student, I would love to add a 17" wide screen apple display to my desk to compliment my 15" powerbook screen. A 17" monitor, dual spanned, would actually make me overjoyed in a way that can not be expressed without talking about finals ending, graduating, or shooting professors.
I would love to have a 20" display, but the reality is it probably wouldn't fit on my desk, and a 17" screen would be heaven and a nice compliment to my current set up.
~Tyler
julzmon said:http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_L2335/4505-3174_7-30788118-2.html?tag=tab
Cnet gave it a pretty descent review. Seems Apples display was still a little better. Not sure why but that's what the graph said
Is there anywhere I can look at one of these? Anyone know?
But then for a couple of extra $200 you could have the Apple display.
Yes I know HP has all those extra inputs. But I wonder how often will you watch tv in PIP on your monitor? I know I can just turn my head and see my regular tv. And if you are going to use it as a HD display... Are you going to put your computer desk in your living room where the stereo is and surround sound? I don't think so. Trying to reason with my self here
Any monitor that can be used for TV purposes would be perfect for dorm rooms. Most of us here have TVs between 15 and 20 inches, that aren't flat, and are awkwardly placed someplace in the room. Most of us would love to watch movies and TV on our monitors. In my own room I use my laptop for every movie I possibly can, as my 15in "old en busted" TV isn't worth much besides watching regular television.
Now if only these monitors were priced for dorm rooms
~Tyler
srobert said:
Speaking of bundles, I can easily envision a $999 bundle being offered, consisting of:
iMac mini
15" LCD screen
Bluetooth mouse & keyboard
20GB iPod
inexpensive 3rd party inkjet printer
Such a bundle would be a VERY attractive package for college-bound students, families wanting to add a second full system to a household, etc.
Earendil said:
I understand where you are coming from. I loved my PB 12", and thought the screen was enough to do the job. That was till I got a 20" LCD. Now I can't see using anything less.
Although I love my new 23", if you're thinking about 2 twenties, I'd go with that. I only bought mine because I knew eventually I would put another 23" with the first one. I'm going to wait until one more price drop before I get it -- it will be sweet!macguyincali said:
Rick Friele said:
False. Even with the price drop, they are still fantastically overpriced. I can get a Dell 2005fp, which is a 20.1" widescreen display with similar display specs and characteristics as the 20-inch cinema display, but with dual-input. Also with coupon codes I can get it for just over $500.
Competitively priced? I don't think so. They're still nearly TWICE as expensive as the competition with no significantly better specs.