DJI Launches New Mavic 3 Drone With Longer Flight Time, Improved Cameras and New Safety Features

[MrTangent]

This is a global problem. One of my research projects is developing drone detection and defense systems for all sorts of scenarios, from disturbing air traffic on airports over industrial espionage to terrorist attacks (chemical weapons or explosives attached to a drone). In general (depends on where you live) it's illegal to fly over people's property for whatever reason including filming without their permission. But it is also illegal to shoot down drones. You're supposed to notify authorities. By the time they arrive it's usually too late. The safer way for commercial drones like DJI is a jamming signal to make it either land or return to pilot.

On the other hands, shooting down drones is not an easy task. For slow flying or hovering drones, sure. We did a field test in Afghanistan, trying to shoot down a fast approaching drone (~ 150 mph) with 5000 rounds of ammo. No luck, and the guys shooting were active military. If that thing would have been rigged with explosive or chemical weapons... goodbye.

Be careful though, battery might blow, drone could crash and whatever it's crashing into might catch fire. Good luck catching that pilot, depending on where the drone was bought.

Aside from experimental stuff like microwaves and lasers, we've actually had most success with our drones (computer operated) catching the intruders with a net mid-air.

Fascinating. I’ve read a little on RF jamming (some based on drones, as well as denial of radio or HAM broadcasting; mostly by nation-states trying to drown out Numbers Stations, Radio Free Europe or whatnot), as well as aforementioned launched net devices (the one I saw kind of looked like a shoulder-mounted RPG).

I have no practical need for such devices, but it’d be cool to have. And to be completely fair, this is a moot point anyway, as my five acres is pretty uninteresting and devoid of interest by nascent drone operators. I was just arguing the hypothetical.

Kudos to your cool experiences though, Sir!

 

[Lihp8270]

I have said it before, and will reiterate again, if a drone every flies on my property (unless it is like 100’ or more off the ground) I WILL shoot it out of the sky. Laws be damned. I’m not willing to let some potential creeper scare or injure my livestock or peep at my daughter.

The airspace above your property is it your property.

 

[Surfer13134]

I meant that the DA would probably not pursue charges in these rural areas, or the Sheriff would most likely not charge the land/home owner. Likewise no jury would convict, if a homeowner was being harassed by a drone very near their domicile. It is tantamount to modern peeping toms.

Actually since it’s the FAA it will be federal and you bet they will pursue charges if anything just to prove a point to not shoot down drones. So I am a drone pilot that has my 107 license which means I can commercially fly. Did you know a lot of first responders use drones such as the fire dept (which I now work for) for search and rescue and police etc which we will fly over property’s to get to our destination. That drone that is flying over your home, how do you know it’s not a drone attempting to locate a missing person? If a drone is hovering over your property call 911 and report it, and just secure your home with blinds etc. If they keep doing it just keep reporting it and if it becomes a nuisance the FAA will get evolved which then will be able to hopefully find out the pilot. However shooting a drone down is not the answer. We had someone shoot a drone down here,it was a kid learning to fly and was hovering over a house as he was adjusting the settings and the homeowner shot the drone out of the sky. Not only was the homeowner arrested for shooting down an aircraft, the sheriff also charged him with reckless discharge of a firearm (since you can’t just shoot in the sky). These are both felonies (one of which is a federal felony). He had to surrender all guns he owns and is currently out on bail. He will be in court in our county for the reckless discharge and then he has federal court for the shooting of the drone. Overall do not shoot at a drone and just report it.

 

[MrTangent]

The law on gun ownership is ridiculous. As it allows people as unhinged as yourself to own them.

Somebody so paranoid and so willing to use firearms on their own paranoid suspicions shouldn’t be allowed to own them.

Question: Would you be okay if someone looked in your windows at night?

 

[MrTangent]

The airspace above your property is it your property.

Yes. To a certain extent (say, a couple hundred feet up). If the answer is “no”, what’s keeping dozens of drone operators from just flying drones in your yard 24/7?

You have a right of privacy on your property away from nuisances. If you can’t expect privacy in your own property then you can’t expect it anywhere.

 

[Pentium]

It is expensive, but oh my god, I am in love!

 

[Lihp8270]

Yes. To a certain extent (say, a couple hundred feet up). If the answer is “no”, what’s keeping dozens of drone operators from just flying drones in your yard 24/7?

You have a right of privacy on your property away from nuisances. If you can’t expect privacy in your own property then you can’t expect it anywhere.

The answer is no. The airspace belongs to the FAA.

 

[Lihp8270]

Question: Would you be okay if someone looked in your windows at night?

I mean, my blinds are shut at night.

But in the UK the law is quite clear that drones under 249g are allowed to overfly people and property legally. Though it’s advised not too. Doing so intentionally to annoy you could be guilty of breach of the peace rather than a breach of the air traffic order.

However, the truth is that 99.9% of people aren’t using drones to be a high tech peeping Tom, and overflights are unintentional and innocent.

 

[dan110]

Unfortunately, any place you’d actually want to fly a drone is illegal in the USA.

What are you smoking? #LOL

FAA: https://www.faa.gov/uas/

The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/22589429/how-to-fly-drone-united-states-usa-trust-faa

 

[coachingguy]

That’s why God made shotguns. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I was flying my Mavic Mini last fall over a lake in NC MN getting foliage footage… Suddenly I start hearing these shotgun blasts over by the drone… Fortunately the Mini is small and I was abt 125’ and elevated to about 200’ and brought it back in S mode. It was fine…

Coachingguy

 

[MrTangent]

I was flying my Mavic Mini last fall over a lake in NC MN getting foliage footage… Suddenly I start hearing these shotgun blasts over by the drone… Fortunately the Mini is small and I was abt 125’ and elevated to about 200’ and brought it back in S mode. It was fine…

Coachingguy

Little lower… little lower… little… ?

Glad your drone is okay. Did you fly above any private property? If not, shotgunner was out of line.

 

[gsmornot]

Yes. To a certain extent (say, a couple hundred feet up). If the answer is “no”, what’s keeping dozens of drone operators from just flying drones in your yard 24/7?

You have a right of privacy on your property away from nuisances. If you can’t expect privacy in your own property then you can’t expect it anywhere.

This was covered already and they are correct. We do not own the airspace above our property. When you review your asset, the only items covered are ground based. The FAA does indeed own the airspace above. You will not see drones in your lawn peeking in your windows unless you have a crazy neighbor or something. As a licensed pilot I can tell you that would be very boring going around looking in windows. The cameras on consumer drones like the one advertised here are getting better all the time but not something you would use for the purpose you are talking about. I would need to be right outside and at that level you could just hand catch the drone to rid the problem. If we're talking high rise sure, it could look in the windows but again not likely most would be interested. There will always be people up to no good but dont apply that to the vast majority of users. I dont know you personally and so do not assert any opinions of you in my reply. Just sharing we do not have rights to the airspace above even though it can feel as if we should own everything around us. That said, as a responsible drone pilot I limit my annoyance around homes as much as I can. If I need to transition over, I will do so at a high level and a moderate speed so I limit the noise from the props.

 

[MrTangent]

This was covered already and they are correct. We do not own the airspace above our property. When you review your asset, the only items covered are ground based. The FAA does indeed own the airspace above. You will not see drones in your lawn peeking in your windows unless you have a crazy neighbor or something. As a licensed pilot I can tell you that would be very boring going around looking in windows. The cameras on consumer drones like the one advertised here are getting better all the time but not something you would use for the purpose you are talking about. I would need to be right outside and at that level you could just hand catch the drone to rid the problem. If we're talking high rise sure, it could look in the windows but again not likely most would be interested. There will always be people up to no good but dont apply that to the vast majority of users. I dont know you personally and so do not assert any opinions of you in my reply. Just sharing we do not have rights to the airspace above even though it can feel as if we should own everything around us. That said, as a responsible drone pilot I limit my annoyance around homes as much as I can. If I need to transition over, I will do so at a high level and a moderate speed so I limit the noise from the props.

Actually, you do own the airspace above/around you, with caveats. I looked into it… here’s a good tackling of the legal issues and here. All these are well and good, but the courts or legislators need to addresss this further (see below). There needs to be a law that ground to around 100’ (maybe more) needs to be sacrosanct property of home owner.

Anyway, in this court case of US v. Causby they ruled that:

The United States v. Causby case gave rise to the “enveloping atmosphere” rule. It states that a property owner has legal possession over as much of the airspace above their property that they can reasonably use.

From here.

I can reasonably use a hundred feet above my property when I shoot clay targets.

 

[MrTangent]

Actually, you do own the airspace above/around you, with caveats. I looked into it… here’s a good tackling of the legal issues and here. All these are well and good, but the courts or legislators need to addresss this further (see below). There needs to be a law that ground to around 100’ (maybe more) needs to be sacrosanct property of home owner.

Anyway, in this court case of US v. Causby they ruled that:

The United States v. Causby case gave rise to the “enveloping atmosphere” rule. It states that a property owner has legal possession over as much of the airspace above their property that they can reasonably use.

From here.

I can reasonably use a hundred feet above my property when I shoot clay targets.

This was covered already and they are correct. We do not own the airspace above our property. When you review your asset, the only items covered are ground based. The FAA does indeed own the airspace above. You will not see drones in your lawn peeking in your windows unless you have a crazy neighbor or something. As a licensed pilot I can tell you that would be very boring going around looking in windows. The cameras on consumer drones like the one advertised here are getting better all the time but not something you would use for the purpose you are talking about. I would need to be right outside and at that level you could just hand catch the drone to rid the problem. If we're talking high rise sure, it could look in the windows but again not likely most would be interested. There will always be people up to no good but dont apply that to the vast majority of users. I dont know you personally and so do not assert any opinions of you in my reply. Just sharing we do not have rights to the airspace above even though it can feel as if we should own everything around us. That said, as a responsible drone pilot I limit my annoyance around homes as much as I can. If I need to transition over, I will do so at a high level and a moderate speed so I limit the noise from the props.

Also, I’ve seen local farmers crop dusting almost directly above their fields. Drones are dangerous, invasive and belong nowhere but public lands or your own property.

 

[Surfer13134]

Actually, you do own the airspace above/around you, with caveats. I looked into it… here’s a good tackling of the legal issues and here. All these are well and good, but the courts or legislators need to addresss this further (see below). There needs to be a law that ground to around 100’ (maybe more) needs to be sacrosanct property of home owner.

Anyway, in this court case of US v. Causby they ruled that:

The United States v. Causby case gave rise to the “enveloping atmosphere” rule. It states that a property owner has legal possession over as much of the airspace above their property that they can reasonably use.

From here.

I can reasonably use a hundred feet above my property when I shoot clay targets.

Wrong again dude, If you further read the case law it states “owns at least as much of the space above the ground as he can occupy or use in connection with the land.”. The "LAND" is the keyword meaning anything that is attached to your property such as a tree or home, or a neighbors tree that is overhanging your property. However, anything above that is PUBLIC property and free use. Drones aren't dangerous only the small amount of idiots that fly them. You talk about guns and assume you own some, its the same statement that people say guns are dangerous and need to be regulated, guns aren't the problem the people are. Any responsible pilot will not be flying when another aircraft is in proximity, however, I will go back to my last statement if a drone is on your property how do you know its intention? It could be a youtube testing the range of the drone or a kid learning to fly, or it could be the sheriff's office looking for a suspect or missing person.

 

[MrTangent]

Wrong again dude, If you further read the case law it states “owns at least as much of the space above the ground as he can occupy or use in connection with the land.”. The "LAND" is the keyword meaning anything that is attached to your property such as a tree or home, or a neighbors tree that is overhanging your property. However, anything above that is PUBLIC property and free use. Drones aren't dangerous only the small amount of idiots that fly them. You talk about guns and assume you own some, its the same statement that people say guns are dangerous and need to be regulated, guns aren't the problem the people are. Any responsible pilot will not be flying when another aircraft is in proximity, however, I will go back to my last statement if a drone is on your property how do you know its intention? It could be a youtube testing the range of the drone or a kid learning to fly, or it could be the sheriff's office looking for a suspect or missing person.

Let me ask you this, would you be okay if a local drone flying club decided your property is where they will meet daily and fly their drones all around including around your pets or kids, without asking or giving a **** about what you say in protest?

If not, why not?

 

[gsmornot]

Also, I’ve seen local farmers crop dusting almost directly above their fields. Drones are dangerous, invasive and belong nowhere but public lands or your own property.

I might say the same for the car in your avatar. I see ones like it in many forms like trucks, suvs, buggies, jeeps, all driving around tossing rocks and things from their tires causing damage to windshields not to mention the destruction of land and resources. They tend to leave trash behind wherever they visit, rut up fields so farmers can no longer safely work the crops and make the money their families need to survive. They cause issues with erosion. Hang on, hang on….everything I just said is a bunch of misunderstood ridiculous nonsense that is full of stereotypes based on a few bad examples. I assume you can find a way to be responsible with your hobby just like many others can as well. No need to make ridiculous stretches to state you dont care for drones. I dont like jello but I’m not going around slapping spoons out of everyone mouth. Local drone clubs have way more going for them than to show up at someone house unless you have a monument a large building a thousand acre scenic visa or something. Even a small drone can do over 30 MPH so unless your backyard is HUGE it wont be fun for long. Really I bet you couldn’t get 2 to stay more than a few minutes if you invited them with cookies. It’s not your personality, just we dont care about your house thats Googles job.

 

[MrTangent]

I might say the same for the car in your avatar. I see ones like it in many forms like trucks, suvs, buggies, jeeps, all driving around tossing rocks and things from their tires causing damage to windshields not to mention the destruction of land and resources. They tend to leave trash behind wherever they visit, rut up fields so farmers can no longer safely work the crops and make the money their families need to survive. They cause issues with erosion. Hang on, hang on….everything I just said is a bunch of misunderstood ridiculous nonsense that is full of stereotypes based on a few bad examples. I assume you can find a way to be responsible with your hobby just like many others can as well. No need to make ridiculous stretches to state you dont care for drones. I dont like jello but I’m not going around slapping spoons out of everyone mouth. Local drone clubs have way more going for them than to show up at someone house unless you have a monument a large building a thousand acre scenic visa or something. Even a small drone can do over 30 MPH so unless your backyard is HUGE it wont be fun for long. Really I bet you couldn’t get 2 to stay more than a few minutes if you invited them with cookies. It’s not your personality, just we dont care about your house thats Googles job.

The car in question is from a google search (search yourself). I’ve never owned an offroad vehicle (I just thought it looked cool). I don’t agree with nearly everything you mentioned and it saddens me that people tear up the environment. But way to attack the messenger.

 

[MrTangent]

I might say the same for the car in your avatar. I see ones like it in many forms like trucks, suvs, buggies, jeeps, all driving around tossing rocks and things from their tires causing damage to windshields not to mention the destruction of land and resources. They tend to leave trash behind wherever they visit, rut up fields so farmers can no longer safely work the crops and make the money their families need to survive. They cause issues with erosion. Hang on, hang on….everything I just said is a bunch of misunderstood ridiculous nonsense that is full of stereotypes based on a few bad examples. I assume you can find a way to be responsible with your hobby just like many others can as well. No need to make ridiculous stretches to state you dont care for drones. I dont like jello but I’m not going around slapping spoons out of everyone mouth. Local drone clubs have way more going for them than to show up at someone house unless you have a monument a large building a thousand acre scenic visa or something. Even a small drone can do over 30 MPH so unless your backyard is HUGE it wont be fun for long. Really I bet you couldn’t get 2 to stay more than a few minutes if you invited them with cookies. It’s not your personality, just we dont care about your house thats Googles job.

Also, you avoided the question.

 

[Surfer13134]

Let me ask you this, would you be okay if a local drone flying club decided your property is where they will meet daily and fly their drones all around including around your pets or kids, without asking or giving a **** about what you say in protest?

If not, why not?

Bro, you are grasping at straws right now. What if a car club decided to use the street in front of your house as a racing strip, what if your neighbor decided to open a gun range and your house in downrange. All these are WHAT IF statements could happen but the likely hood of them happening is slim to null just like a drone club flying over your house. I really wish you would take the time to educate yourself on drones instead of just bashing them because a drone looking into a house and actually seeing any detail at all is extremely hard and pretty much impractical. Think of it this way take your iPhone and take a picture of a building that's about 25-50 ft from you, now zoom in. Can you make out any small details such as faces, passwords or even what type of clothes the person is wearing? Exactly you can and an image a drone captures is the same thing. You can be butt naked in your backyard and I can fly my drone 100ft above you and I wouldn't be able to make out anything except knowing you don't have any clothes on.

 

[MrTangent]

Bro, you are grasping at straws right now. What if a car club decided to use the street in front of your house as a racing strip, what if your neighbor decided to open a gun range and your house in downrange. All these are WHAT IF statements could happen but the likely hood of them happening is slim to null just like a drone club flying over your house. I really wish you would take the time to educate yourself on drones instead of just bashing them because a drone looking into a house and actually seeing any detail at all is extremely hard and pretty much impractical. Think of it this way take your iPhone and take a picture of a building that's about 25-50 ft from you, now zoom in. Can you make out any small details such as faces, passwords or even what type of clothes the person is wearing? Exactly you can and an image a drone captures is the same thing. You can be butt naked in your backyard and I can fly my drone 100ft above you and I wouldn't be able to make out anything except knowing you don't have any clothes on.

So the answer is no. Gotcha. ?

 

[ksj1]

Actually, you do own the airspace above/around you, with caveats. I looked into it… here’s a good tackling of the legal issues and here. All these are well and good, but the courts or legislators need to addresss this further (see below). There needs to be a law that ground to around 100’ (maybe more) needs to be sacrosanct property of home owner.

Anyway, in this court case of US v. Causby they ruled that:

The United States v. Causby case gave rise to the “enveloping atmosphere” rule. It states that a property owner has legal possession over as much of the airspace above their property that they can reasonably use.

From here.

I can reasonably use a hundred feet above my property when I shoot clay targets.

I get what you are saying, but you don't live in the same region as this appellate court, so you would be taking a chance that the court that governs Missouri would agree. They may or they may not. Regardless, it is a federal crime, so you don't need to worry about your local DA. The FAA's enforcement division and a US Attorney would be your concerns.

 

[leebroath]

Jeeso!!!

I came onto this thread to discuss the new Drone, and 95% is Americans speaking about shooting and laws

 

[KindJamz]

You planning on shooting down planes, helicopters, satellites, and a space station as they fly over your property too?

If they are hovering 25’ above you. Filming. Probably yep

 

[SFjohn]

If they are hovering 25’ above you. Filming. Probably yep

So a news crew in a helicopter in distress you’d shoot, some person coming into your yard by parachute (off course) w/a headcam you’d shoot, a military helicopter you’d shoot, but shucks they have machine guns & rocket launchers to take out your sacred gun compound. Might want to think about shooting at them first, or don’t. But thanks for really answering my question a second time, now you‘re shooting people. Got. It.