Do I really have to click to wake AND then scan my fingerprint?

[socco]

So you would rather your phone never sleep? Battery life would be nothing if it worked like that. Is it really that hard to push a button???

I'm not sure what the logistics are as far as how inefficient it would for the phone to be prepared for a touch at all times. But doesn't the Galaxy s4 wake when you swipe past it? So I don't think it's unreasonable at all.

But perhaps this is the best solution. Even so, the reaction is coming because it's not the way Apple was saying it would work. They said that to unlock the phone all you had to do is put your finger on the button, and the phone would sense it was there. But this is not how it works.

And when using the phone many people have been slightly annoyed by the process. Regardless of how petty you think the complaints are, those opinions are valid.

 

[BlueKhufu]

This method would not result in unlocking the phone in your pocket as even if the ring detected skin there would be no resulting fingerprint to unlock the phone.

You are correct, but if this happened repeatedly it would lock it out and force you to enter your passcode, defeating the point of the sensor in the first place.

 

[gentlefury]

I'm not sure what the logistics are as far as how inefficient it would for the phone to be prepared for a touch at all times. But doesn't the Galaxy s4 wake when you swipe past it? So I don't think it's unreasonable at all.

But perhaps this is the best solution. Even so, the reaction is coming because it's not the way Apple was saying it would work. They said that to unlock the phone all you had to do is put your finger on the button, and the phone would sense it was there. But this is not how it works.

And when using the phone many people have been slightly annoyed by the process. Regardless of how petty you think the complaints are, those opinions are valid.

And that is exactly how it works. Find me somewhere they said you can power on the phone by touching the circle. The other thing is. If you only had to touch it to wake and unlock it, the only way you could see your lock screen is with the top power button. Which would be lame.

 

[socco]

You are correct, but if this happened repeatedly it would lock it out and force you to enter your passcode, defeating the point of the sensor in the first place.

And Apple couldn't figure it out so that these false touches wouldn't wake it? Come on now.

 

[BlueKhufu]

But perhaps this is the best solution. Even so, the reaction is coming because it's not the way Apple was saying it would work. They said that to unlock the phone all you had to do is put your finger on the button, and the phone would sense it was there. But this is not how it works.

Unlocking is not the same thing as waking it up and or turning it on.
Even with no security you still wake it up first, then unlock it with a swipe. Unlock is a separate step, always has been, it is now, and I do not see where apple said it would turn the phone on or wake it up.

 

[socco]

And that is exactly how it works. Find me somewhere they said you can power on the phone by touching the circle. The other thing is. If you only had to touch it to wake and unlock it, the only way you could see your lock screen is with the top power button. Which would be lame.

They said when you put your finger in the circle it activates the touch sensor. They never once said that this was disabled when the phone was in sleep mode. It would've been very easy to preface their description with that.

As far as seeing the lock screen? Just don't hold your finger on the button. It doesn't see your fingerprint if you just tap it.

 

[swish2351]

No, you don't. Wake the phone by clicking the home button and just don't lift your finger until it unlocks (about a second). Not hard.

Oh, that actually worked, thanks

 

[gentlefury]

They said when you put your finger in the circle it activates the touch sensor. They never once said that this was disabled when the phone was in sleep mode. It would've been very easy to preface their description with that.

As far as seeing the lock screen? Just don't hold your finger on the button. It doesn't see your fingerprint if you just tap it.

They also don't mention you have to turn on your screen to use safari. FALSE ADVERTISING!!!!

Or maybe they don't need to explain all the obvious details. I never thought it would magically power on by touching the button.

 

[silver8ack]

That's not a natural motion, but okay.

Have you tried it?

It's extremely quick. Press the home button and it scans your print instantly. You don't have to wait for it to wake up then hold your finger there.

 

[socco]

Unlocking is not the same thing as waking it up and or turning it on.
Even with no security you still wake it up first, then unlock it with a swipe. Unlock is a separate step, always has been, it is now, and I do not see where apple said it would turn the phone on or wake it up.

The way I understood it is that putting your finger in the ring would be the "wake" portion, and your fingerprint would be the "unlock" portion.

"The steel ring surrounding the button detects your finger and tells Touch ID to start reading your print."

 

[silver8ack]

And Apple couldn't figure it out so that these false touches wouldn't wake it? Come on now.

Yea that's what I want. My phone using battery when it's in sleep mode moving around in my pocket constantly analyzing to see if there is skin touching it.

 

[socco]

They also don't mention you have to turn on your screen to use safari. FALSE ADVERTISING!!!!

Or maybe they don't need to explain all the obvious details. I never thought it would magically power on by touching the button.

Well a bunch of people did think that. So it is not an obvious detail. They said the ring detects your finger and tells the touch id to scan it. To me and many other people that makes it sound like no other action is needed. Why would I think I need to press a button when the phone senses when my finger is on the button?

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Yea that's what I want. My phone using battery when it's in sleep mode moving around in my pocket constantly analyzing to see if there is skin touching it.

The Galaxy s4 does it. I don't think it was unreasonable to think Apple would be able to find a way to make that work efficiently.

 

[BlueKhufu]

They said when you put your finger in the circle it activates the touch sensor. They never once said that this was disabled when the phone was in sleep mode. It would've been very easy to preface their description with that.

Ok I've done the best I can do at explaining why it works the way it does and why the other way would cause problems. I believe I also explained that they never claimed it turned on the phone. You don't agree, fine. This is obviously going to remain an issue for you, I wish I could offer more help but I cannot.

 

[silver8ack]

Well a bunch of people did think that. So it is not an obvious detail. They said the ring detects your finger and tells the touch id to scan it. To me and many other people that makes it sound like no other action is needed. Why would I think I need to press a button when the phone senses when my finger is on the button?

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The Galaxy s4 does it. I don't think it was unreasonable to think Apple would be able to find a way to make that work efficiently.

There's a lot of crap on the s4 that apple hasn't done. Get an s4.

 

[socco]

This is obviously going to remain an issue for you, I wish I could offer more help but I cannot.

Actually I see it as a minor annoyance that I'll get used to eventually. The only reason I really commented is because the way it works is not how it was portrayed.

There's a lot of crap on the s4 that apple hasn't done. Get an s4.

I was speaking to how it would be reasonable to expect them to implement it without being a huge battery drain.

 

[Thierry ba]

When they advertised the fingerprint scanner, I thought the button was capacitive in the sense that I could just touch the button and hold my finger on it to unlock all in one action, when in fact I have to click the home (or sleep button), and then scan my fingerprint.

Seems a redundant action when it's a touch sensor could just hold\wake\unlock all in one soft touch.

Touch ID is bullsht. Its ridiculous that you have to click home button to wake the phone and then scan fingerprint.

I can faster unlock my phone with slide to unlock.

 

[wepiii]

I am fine with the unlock process, I just wish they would make it where moving your finger over the home button would act as a home button click within ios. The home button always seems to be the first thing to wear out on my iPhones.

 

[DollaTwentyFive]

I have to say that it is not a big deal, to me, to press the home button and then let it scan my print.

That being said, however, I can understand why some are confused. It was billed as touch the ring, it will wake up the phone and scan and unlock.

To all those who say that would waste battery, etc. . . I see that point, but they specifically mentioned it was capacitive. It needs live skin to work. If it is in one's pocket or sleeve, etc, a bump of the ring wouldn't activate a capacitive ring sensor and waste battery. (Try using your phone with gloves on) So I can certainly see both sides of the issue.

To me, it doesn't matter, but let's all try and get along here. There are valid points to both sides of this and the keynote certainly did make it seem like you just hold your thumb on the home button and it wakes and unlocks the phone.

 

[itsmemuffins]

OMG!! OMG!! I have to slightly depress a button and leave my finger on it for two seconds to unlock my phone!!!

You people are beyond retarded. Beyond it.

 

[Dascoyne]

 

[Riker88]

Touch ID is bullsht. Its ridiculous that you have to click home button to wake the phone and then scan fingerprint.

I can faster unlock my phone with slide to unlock.

I would dispute this. We are comparing slide-to-unlock+enter passcode to click home button+leaving it on the button for a split second longer for Touch ID to work.

Touch ID is faster.

If you dont have a passcode set, slide-to-unlock will be faster on its own of course.

 

[rockyroad55]

And my response to that is that touch id is faster than swiping and entering a password. If you don't have a passcode on the phone you can't use touch id. Your point is moot.

I don't understand what the problem is. To unlock your phone previously you need to wake it. Are you really expressing discontent over the fact that now you have to do the same thing but it's a much faster process?

Wake (either tap home or lock button) > Swipe > Enter Password > Phone unlocked
Wake (tap home button and let your finger rest) > Phone unlocked

I'm not understanding here... lol.

I feel it's also a bit faster than not having a password since you have to lift the finger to then drag the screen. And sometimes it won't even drag because of some odd reasons

 

[Bigdawg4]

Touch ID is bullsht. Its ridiculous that you have to click home button to wake the phone and then scan fingerprint.

I can faster unlock my phone with slide to unlock.

What is ******** is your post...it is def easier with the fp scanner than raising your thumb off the home button move it the screen and perform the swipe...Idiotic to even suggest that. What has changed? NOTHING!!! You have always had to activate or wake the phone in 1 of 2 ways...and you still have to now...the only difference is instead of typing in a pass code and/or a swipe you just keep your thumb on the home button for and extra second and your phone unlocks. I swear you people would bitch if someone gave you a milion dollars, complaining it wasnt 2 million...

 

[cupcakes2000]

BRILLIANT THREAD! My gosh.

 

[Dascoyne]

Hooray for touch ID!

No more nasty abrasions from all that finger swiping.