There are a few phones that have a touch sensitive button active all the time and you just touch it with your finger and it wakes the phone.
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Do I really have to click to wake AND then scan my fingerprint?
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There are a few phones that have a touch sensitive button active all the time and you just touch it with your finger and it wakes the phone.
Oh boy lolCan some other people who actually have the device with them offer some more imput?
Here's how I understood it to work:
1) Screen is off
2) Rest finger on home button (don't push it)
3) Screen comes on and phone unlocks
Using my 5s and clicking is definitely involved. Click home button, leave finger there, and it unlocks within 1.5 seconds. It's very fast and sure beats typing in my 8 digit code.
Edit: Woah didn't realize this was 7 pages long. Disregard this post as I'm sure this was already answered.
Apparently my thread wasn't allowed. Seems a particular mod has it out for me. So I will place it here.
http://youtu.be/4bG6cjaMZx0
Found this on CNN. So, you can wake your phone first... and then scan your nipple!
http://youtu.be/4bG6cjaMZx0
Found this on CNN. So, you can wake your phone first... and then scan your nipple!
Not when the screen is on or using the lock button.
But if the screen is of and you're using the home button, you need to click it.
That's the way I understood it too, but that is not the case unless there is a setting I am missing.
Really? The "first world problem" response is getting old. We pay $900 for a phone (be it through subsidy repayments or buying outright)... it's absurd to say we're in the wrong to point our flaws\bugs\issues with a product we pay a lot of money for.
If you don't want to hear people talking about bugs\problems\gripes with your do-no-wrong Apple, then go do a different website.
But there is no bug or flaw, here.
If your phone is already unlocked, you don't need to press the home button. If your phone is locked, you do need to press the home button to wake it, then just leave your finger there and it scans and opens.
If your phone is locked, you need to press the home button to wake the phone, then keep your finger there to scan and open. If your phone is unlocked (you're using it), and you want to make a purchase, you can just place your finger on the home button to scan it, no need to press.
I don't get why this is so confusing
But there is no bug or flaw, here.
I don't get why this is so confusing
It's more of a difference between the way Phil presented it and the way it works. Nobody said they're confused, it's not rocket science. Clearly you didn't watch the Apple Events Video and hear how it was presented.
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Originally Posted by FrankB1191
BINGO!!! You can wake the phone by pressing the home button or lock button, and then scan. This proves that clicking the home button is not essential for the scanner to work.
I'm not saying you need to press the home button every time the scanner is used. Many have posted that the ring is flawed, and that's why the phone has to be clicked to activate the scanner. The fact that the scanner works for app purchases proves that nothing needs to be clicked for the scanner to work, and that the ring is a functioning part of the process. Others are saying they were misled into believing that simply touching the home button would WAKE the phone. I never saw it that way, nor did I even try to wake my phone from the start by simply touching the home button. We're saying the same thing, but there's a lot of confusion in this thread.
Originally Posted by FrankB1191
BINGO!!! You can wake the phone by pressing the home button or lock button, and then scan. This proves that clicking the home button is not essential for the scanner to work.
If your phone is already unlocked, you don't need to press thej
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No one is saying you need to press the home button every time for the scanner to work. If your phone is locked, you need to press the home button to wake the phone, then keep your finger there to scan and open. If your phone is unlocked (you're using it), and you want to make a purchase, you can just place your finger on the home button to scan it, no need to press.
I don't get why this is so confusing
I'm not saying you need to press the home button every time the scanner is used. Many have posted that the ring is flawed, and that's why the phone has to be clicked to activate the scanner. The fact that the scanner works for app purchases proves that nothing needs to be clicked for the scanner to work, and that the ring is a functioning part of the process. Others are saying they were misled into believing that simply touching the home button would WAKE the phone. I never saw it that way, nor did I even try to wake my phone from the start by simply touching the home button. We're saying the same thing, but there's a lot of confusion in this thread.
I did watch the event, I have several times. It was pressed when the phone was locked, but it's just very subtle.
It's not defective. The phone needs to be awoken before the sensor can detect the finger and know to read the print.
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Originally Posted by FrankB1191
BINGO!!! You can wake the phone by pressing the home button or lock button, and then scan. This proves that clicking the home button is not essential for the scanner to work.
I'm not saying you need to press the home button every time the scanner is used. Many have posted that the ring is flawed, and that's why the phone has to be clicked to activate the scanner. The fact that the scanner works for app purchases proves that nothing needs to be clicked for the scanner to work, and that the ring is a functioning part of the process. Others are saying they were misled into believing that simply touching the home button would WAKE the phone. I never saw it that way, nor did I even try to wake my phone from the start by simply touching the home button. We're saying the same thing, but there's a lot of confusion in this thread.
Gotcha - yes, this thread is very confusing.
Just looked at Apple's official 3:01 minute long video commercial on YouTube. When Ive is discussing the scanner, and the home button is simply touched, the phone is already awake before being touched. When Dan Riccio appears in the video, the phone is asleep, and a thumb is CLEARLY pressing the home button and remaining in place for a second to wake and unlock the device. Look at the process beginning at 54 seconds into the video. The thumb joint is clearly in motion, and the phone bounces a bit when the home button is pressed. No deception at all.....
Nobody is screaming bloody murder in here, jeez. You're taking a "oh this seems different to me" and turning it into "this is the most horrible thing in my life and I have been wronged and deceived" ... where did anyone say it was deceptive? I think the general consensus was the understanding was more that it was a soft touch, not a press. No big deal either way, would just be NICE if it was a capacitive touch wake instead of the clunky old hard-press home button, but then that would be progressive, and against Apple's design principals.
Post #78 for one:
"We were told that the ring around the button would sense when your finger touches it. But that's not true. Either the hardware is not even present or the feature has been disabled."
Your justifications for apple are exactly why they don't innovate anymore, because they know people like you will stand behind them no matter what mediocre things they put out.
You got me. Tim and the crew called me, and we agreed that I'd defend their click to wake design. This is beginning to sound like.... Trolling!
You got me. Tim and the crew called me, and we agreed that I'd defend their click to wake design. This is beginning to sound like.... Trolling!
No, trolling is when you attack someone for bringing up a legitimate question.
The presentation obviously left many with the impression that the button was capacitive and would just wake on resting the finger on it.
If you were clairvoyant enough to realize Apple wouldn't be that progressive, congrats, but it's certainly not trolling because many others felt the same way.
And for the record.... "With just a touch of your home button, the sensor quickly reads and unlocks your phone" ... there's nothing about a press, or a press and hold, or a double tap combination.
Look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJkmc8-eyvE
0:53 - into the video, it clearly shows the phone is in sleep\dark.
1:39 - it states that the steel ring acts as a sensor, detecting your finger on the button. Nothing about having to wake the phone prior to it being able to detect that your finger is there. If you have pressed the button, obviously the phone is then awake, so if a fingerprint is required, why would the steel ring need to even be present? It already is awaken by your press of the button, and it automatically prompts for the phone to wake, so that action alone would wake the sensor. Complete redundancy if the steel ring isn't the thing meant to wake the phone.
If you think it's absurd for anyone to misinterpret the communication in the video above, english must not be your primary language.
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You got me. Tim and the crew called me, and we agreed that I'd defend their click to wake design. This is beginning to sound like.... Trolling!
Also.... if you want a crystal-clear quote....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZac8af1L4E
24:35 - "The (home button) includes the TouchID Sensor. Around it is a stainless steel detection ring, so the sensor knows when to read your fingerprint just by the fact that your finger is on the button. You don't even have to click it."
I'm not sure how any english-speaking human can interpret "You don't have to click it" as having to click it.
I'm interested in how you defend this one.... I thought I'd heard him say that, but I wanted to go back and watch and validate.
My guess, after seeing that, is that they had issues with false activations in pockets or when against the cheek on the phone and disabled the auto-on.
The sensor detects your finger - when the phone is unlocked. They are talking about when it's unlocked, using the fingerprint for authenticating iTunes purchases. I think you're just misinterpreting it.
Sorry, the screen in the promo video was black, and a soft touch woke it. Then Phil's comments solidified the point I'm trying to make.
"You don't even have to click it" - Phil Schiller.
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I think you're kidding yourself. Flip it around... so say they mean only when it's on. Why say no need to click? Why would you click something to read your fingerprint? An optical scanner, be it the old-school swipe or the photo-sensor or the capacitive... why on earth would a click be even in someone's mind to make it read their finger? That doesn't make sense. They obviously put emphasis on that steel ring for a reason.
Honestly this is a nonissue for me.
If the phone is asleep its asleep, my guess the sensor is not on 24/7 to save battery life. If I have to put my finger on it I can just press anyways if it's in sleep mode.
Also, if you got a notification you don't have to press anything, you just put your finger. This tells me the sensor is off in sleep mode, no defect and it still holds true to the keynote and video IMO.
ehh saw it @ 0:53 and he is clearly touching it the same way I touch mine. Maybe the wording is weird since touch = press here when awaking from sleep.
yes, the steel rings does act as a capacitive sensor (no pressing needed once phone is awake for any reason, even the lockscreen), unless you want the fingerprint sensor to be on all the time while you are using your phone draining your battery for no reason...
If the phone is asleep its asleep, my guess the sensor is not on 24/7 to save battery life. If I have to put my finger on it I can just press anyways if it's in sleep mode.
Also, if you got a notification you don't have to press anything, you just put your finger. This tells me the sensor is off in sleep mode, no defect and it still holds true to the keynote and video IMO.
ehh saw it @ 0:53 and he is clearly touching it the same way I touch mine. Maybe the wording is weird since touch = press here when awaking from sleep.
yes, the steel rings does act as a capacitive sensor (no pressing needed once phone is awake for any reason, even the lockscreen), unless you want the fingerprint sensor to be on all the time while you are using your phone draining your battery for no reason...
If you actually watch the video...he does click the home button.
This is EXACTLY how I use it.
Seriously, are people so lazy that pressing a button a nano-meter is too much effort??????
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You must love infomercials, because I suppose if it does anything remotely similar to what's advertised on TV, it's a good product I guess. LOL
You do know the whole point of a capacitive steel sensor is that the natural current in your body is what sends the signal that it's being used, right? It's like saying by having the phone sitting there powering the home button toggle, or the volume rocker that it's draining the battery.
Bottom line is I'm not saying this is the worst thing ever, I just think initially this was meant to be an activation method without a push, but think of the amount of battery drain if you're talking on the phone and the light sensor is turning off the phone when you hold it up to your ear, and the touch sensor is detecting your cheek and turning the screen on... it'd be a tug of war.
I do WISH it was a capacitive wake though. That would have set this phone apart in my mind. Long before rumors of fingerprint sensors, there have been many many many rumors of a capacitive home button, so to say it's not plausible is unfair.
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I don't notice a click, but we all see what we want to see. Either way, it's quite clear when the screen is dark that it's a full wake, and there's no "obvious" clicking of the home button.
While that video can be debated, there's absolutely no debating Phil's comments were inaccurate to what's available now.
Nope, Phil was referring to doing a scan, not waking the device. "You don't have to click it" to do a scan -- this is true. You do have to click it to wake the device. And then do a scan. They are two separate and distinct actions. The fact that they can be kind of mushed up next to each other by continuing to rest your thumb on the button after clicking seems to be what's confusing people.
Seriously, I think people just need to get over this.
Maybe we don't WANT to get over it, did you ever think that just because something doesn't bother you, it might bother someone else? I just can't fathom how many trolls there are on here, whenever someone says something they don't agree with, the trolls swoop in and are so quick to say "nuh uh" ... if it doesn't bother you, great, LEAVE THIS THREAD!
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