Apple takes backs phones when they are bent. There is an entry in their return policy for it. If that isn't proof, I don't know what else you need.
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Apple takes backs phones when they are bent. There is an entry in their return policy for it. If that isn't proof, I don't know what else you need.
AnntennaGate was media driven and way overblown. That's why Steve got angry. It affected so few users that isn't a major issue.
Anyone sticking a phone in their back pocket is asking for trouble, sorry. I should have clarified that was the part I was agreeing with.
Have you met Apple costumer service before? Great proof you got there.
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Someone that has some common sense, there is hope left
Bendgate affects even less users yet people here don't seem to understand that. It's has been proven that the iPhone 6 is one of the most robust phones out there. If you are an idiot and treat it like crap than it will bend, the screen might also shatter or the device will scratch. End of story
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I think antenna gate was real, but get the feeling Steve was angry more at letting a basic design flaw through. Yes Apple showed that all phones loose reception whe. Tightly gripped but strangely enough didn't talk about the fact that the 4 lost reception by touching it in the wrong place with one finger...
Back to the original point, if you will be keeping a phone for 2 years or more I would always go for the s model. Yes, you don't get the fancy new shape but you get a phone with internals that will hold up over time (more speed/ram in 3GS, dual core in 4s, 64-bit and Touch ID in 5s). Also, as the OP seems to be in the UK like me, one of the big features - Apple pay - probably won't be established until next summer anyway.
Like someone else on here I stay one generation behind as I find it takes half a year for new features to work properly (Apps that support retina, Siri, touch id,Apple pay in UK and new resolution support). Having said that now the 32gb level has been eliminated I will be considering a new 6s next year.
Back to the original point, if you will be keeping a phone for 2 years or more I would always go for the s model. Yes, you don't get the fancy new shape but you get a phone with internals that will hold up over time (more speed/ram in 3GS, dual core in 4s, 64-bit and Touch ID in 5s). Also, as the OP seems to be in the UK like me, one of the big features - Apple pay - probably won't be established until next summer anyway.
Like someone else on here I stay one generation behind as I find it takes half a year for new features to work properly (Apps that support retina, Siri, touch id,Apple pay in UK and new resolution support). Having said that now the 32gb level has been eliminated I will be considering a new 6s next year.
Are you saying they don't replace bent iPhones? Do a search man, it is common knowledge. I am not going to do the legwork for you if you have been buried under a rock for the past 3 months.
If you want something that will squeeze three years I would definitely go for next year's model, and that has nothing to do with structural integrity.
The S models have historically always smashed the previous models in performace. True, the 6 Plus outperforms the 5S, but not nearly as big a leap as 3G to 3GS, 4 to 4S, and 5 to 5S. If history repeats itself as it has every two years, the 6S Plus will easily last you three years.
The 5S is not any worse off today than the day it launched IMO. That will also make it to three rather easily, I expect.
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I have seen many reports that they take back bent iPhones. But an entry in their return policy? I certainly haven't seen that...
The S models have historically always smashed the previous models in performace. True, the 6 Plus outperforms the 5S, but not nearly as big a leap as 3G to 3GS, 4 to 4S, and 5 to 5S. If history repeats itself as it has every two years, the 6S Plus will easily last you three years.
The 5S is not any worse off today than the day it launched IMO. That will also make it to three rather easily, I expect.
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I have seen many reports that they take back bent iPhones. But an entry in their return policy? I certainly haven't seen that...
What? I didn't say that, so if you try to be cool maybe basic reading comprehension would help. No worries I'm here to help and I will gladly explain it to you.
Apple costumer service will exchange your iPhone/iPad/Mac for far smaller issues, no questions asked. That's why their costumer service is one of the best, if not the best and that's why I have said "have you met them before".
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Don't understand what? You have NO idea how many people it affects, and you won't ever know since Apple has absolutely no obligation to tell you how many bent phones have been and will be replaced. All we know for sure is that the new iPhones bend, that they bend easier and more often than any previous iPhone, and that bending certainly is NOT a design "feature." To say that it is not a problem to be either dealt with by Apple (or not), or to be considered by a potential purchaser is ignorant at best, and disingenuous at worst.
If you like the form factor of the 5S, why not get a 5S? It's a year old tech, but still a very good phone, and a good deal cheaper now.
So there must be millions of iPhone 6 users that have a bend phone but don't care about it or Apple is somehow hiding the truth from the News/Internet that millions of bend iPhones were replaced/returned. Okay that's great logic there. Comparing a smaller and thicker device to a much bigger and thinner device is also great logic. Well done
You have NO idea how many people are NOT affected by bendgate. I do tho and the answer is 15-20 million people or 99.9% of iPhone 6 users or in laymans terms everyone who is not an idiot. So for you to say that bendgate IS a problem that Apple should deal with is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst but in reality just plain stupid.
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Thank you very much for your responses so far.
I won't get the 5S as that will not be as future proof as I would like so I might wait for the 6S as it was suggested.
As mentioned by crashoverride77, those iPhone 6 were tested by Consumer report etc. and its all good but I have seen those tests (unless they tested more) and they all test the bend pressure in the middle which is not the weakest point and making the tests pointless. Its actually basic physics which means that you have to apply the pressure to the weakest point to see how much it can withstand.
Yes, it is stronger than HTC but that is besides the point. If you look at the iPhone 5S score it much higher and don't get me started on my iPhone 4 which would trash the iPhone 6 completely.
I'm one of the people that do care about things and look after them well so when I resell them I get good money back cause they are often as good as new. However, that doesn't mean that I don't expect certain quality and to me the iPhone 6 is on the fence. Mainly due to the fact that there is no evidence either way. Media always overblow everything that is related to Apple but it makes it impossible for average person to asses the real situation.
Yes, the percentage might be smaller but the phone was only out for about 2 months. Perhaps if you buy new phone every year then you can 'white glove' this baby but I'm simply concern as I want the phone to last me similar time as my iPhone 4 had.
Am I asking too much? Have we reached a stage when we no longer expect longevity from devices and we treat things as 'consumables'? If so, aren't we producing more waste by this approach?
Regardless of the bigger picture here that would take for another debate, lets go back to the topic. Is the iPhone 6 strong like 5S or 4? NO WAY! So why do some people bash those that have legit concern or worry about it? People say that putting a phone in your back pocket equals being an idiot. Well, I have put my iPhone 4 in back pocket and I did sit on it but only when the surface was soft (like bed or soft sofa). IF it was hard surface then I took it out. I was (and I am) not an idiot. I simply knew that by doing so I will not DAMAGE the phone as I know the phone can take it.
Now, iPhone 6 is not the same case and has to be treated differently which is ok with me. I'm happy to take the phone out everytime I am about to sit down regardless if it is soft or hard. However, where do we draw the line? If every year the technology or the products (in this case iPhone) gets more and more fragile then when do we stop and say that is enough and its no longer acceptable?
Of course I can leave an iPhone 6 on a table and it will never bend even if its there for 5 years but that is not the point.
So yeah, I was so ready to buy the iPhone 6 but this got me thinking that it may not be a bad idea to wait till 6S to see if the situation improves. Why do some people bash me for it or tell me that there is no bending issue is beyond me. Even the consumer report showed that 6 is weaker than 5S so I think my concern is valid before I spent £620 on a phone. Don't you think?
And I am one of those that do defend Apple all the time but there are times when things are not perfect and even Apple missteps occasionally so please don't bash me when you don't have the same worry as I do for such an expensive device.
I won't get the 5S as that will not be as future proof as I would like so I might wait for the 6S as it was suggested.
As mentioned by crashoverride77, those iPhone 6 were tested by Consumer report etc. and its all good but I have seen those tests (unless they tested more) and they all test the bend pressure in the middle which is not the weakest point and making the tests pointless. Its actually basic physics which means that you have to apply the pressure to the weakest point to see how much it can withstand.
Yes, it is stronger than HTC but that is besides the point. If you look at the iPhone 5S score it much higher and don't get me started on my iPhone 4 which would trash the iPhone 6 completely.
I'm one of the people that do care about things and look after them well so when I resell them I get good money back cause they are often as good as new. However, that doesn't mean that I don't expect certain quality and to me the iPhone 6 is on the fence. Mainly due to the fact that there is no evidence either way. Media always overblow everything that is related to Apple but it makes it impossible for average person to asses the real situation.
Yes, the percentage might be smaller but the phone was only out for about 2 months. Perhaps if you buy new phone every year then you can 'white glove' this baby but I'm simply concern as I want the phone to last me similar time as my iPhone 4 had.
Am I asking too much? Have we reached a stage when we no longer expect longevity from devices and we treat things as 'consumables'? If so, aren't we producing more waste by this approach?
Regardless of the bigger picture here that would take for another debate, lets go back to the topic. Is the iPhone 6 strong like 5S or 4? NO WAY! So why do some people bash those that have legit concern or worry about it? People say that putting a phone in your back pocket equals being an idiot. Well, I have put my iPhone 4 in back pocket and I did sit on it but only when the surface was soft (like bed or soft sofa). IF it was hard surface then I took it out. I was (and I am) not an idiot. I simply knew that by doing so I will not DAMAGE the phone as I know the phone can take it.
Now, iPhone 6 is not the same case and has to be treated differently which is ok with me. I'm happy to take the phone out everytime I am about to sit down regardless if it is soft or hard. However, where do we draw the line? If every year the technology or the products (in this case iPhone) gets more and more fragile then when do we stop and say that is enough and its no longer acceptable?
Of course I can leave an iPhone 6 on a table and it will never bend even if its there for 5 years but that is not the point.
So yeah, I was so ready to buy the iPhone 6 but this got me thinking that it may not be a bad idea to wait till 6S to see if the situation improves. Why do some people bash me for it or tell me that there is no bending issue is beyond me. Even the consumer report showed that 6 is weaker than 5S so I think my concern is valid before I spent £620 on a phone. Don't you think?
And I am one of those that do defend Apple all the time but there are times when things are not perfect and even Apple missteps occasionally so please don't bash me when you don't have the same worry as I do for such an expensive device.
Yeah, I know.
That is the only thing that sux.
I'm also considering buying the 6 and the resell it before the 6S is out but not sure about that as that will certainly mean to lose some money. I'm debating it though
I believe the 6S will have reinforcement. Recall issues with the 5 when newly opened boxes of 5's had chips and dings in them. There were mass amounts of photographs posted. This was corrected by Apple in the 5S and since had no issues. I feel strongly with the 6S.
Unfortunately though, I may/may not be a victim of bend-gate as I need to upgrade my 4S to a 6/6+, I just can't decide which.
Unfortunately though, I may/may not be a victim of bend-gate as I need to upgrade my 4S to a 6/6+, I just can't decide which.
I'll let the people unfortunate enough to be reading this forum decide where the stupidity lies.
I think that's a fair point. I just get annoyed when people spread BS. I also didn't directly call you or anyone an idiot. If you sit on such an expensive device, especially as big as a 6plus and expect it to be fine than I still think you are an idiot. Again not meaning you in particular, just in general.
Yes, we all know the iPhone 6 is not as strong as the 5s or other thicker devices. The 5s is also not as strong as the thicker and smaller iPhone 4.
No, the iPhone 6 is not a weak as people claim and Bendgate is not a widespread problem, not even close.
I also doubt that the 6s will improve much in this regard. In order to put it on par with a 5s they would need to add alot of strengthening materials to make it resit another 30 or so pounds of force. This will add weight and since the iphone 6 already weighs more than a 5s, I doubt they will do this. As the tests have shown it is considered strong by many standards, especially for it's thiness. There will always be these types of threads, just look at the once for the newly announced Corning Gorilla Glass 4. It's twice as shatter resistant from a 1m drop than Gorilla Glass 3. Now people say it should be measured from 2m. Eventually it needs to survive a fall from the first floor, than the 2nd etc. Its and endless cycle.
I think your concerns are valid but in my opinion if you want an iPhone 6 than buy one and treat it like you should treat a 700-1000 dollar device. I promise it won't bend. If it miracle does bend take a picture, post it in this thread to tell me "I told you so, bendgate is real". Than go to an Apple Store and get a replacement or refund.
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Sure. It's a factor to consider. It's a factor to consider when purchasing anything, actually. The issue here isn't so much about whether or not to consider the durability of the phone when considering whether to purchase it or not. The issue here is the insane intensity of the arguments lofted on both sides of the bend debate. Both sides engage in the most egregious reductionism imaginable and it nearly always devolves into rank name calling. It's silly. Especially over something that increasingly appears to be an infrequent "problem" at best.
I doubt they would actually do it, but a move to titanium would make sense. Twice the strength, and the weight only jumps 60% to do it. Twice the strength would definitely stop the bending, and the thing is already so light that I can't see anyone caring about a small jump in weight, and Apple's profit margins are high enough that the small jump in the cost of the frame would be negligible to their bottom line.
I think that's a fair point. I just get annoyed when people spread BS. I also didn't directly call you or anyone an idiot. If you sit on such an expensive device, especially as big as a 6plus and expect it to be fine than I still think you are an idiot. Again not meaning you in particular, just in general.
Yes, we all know the iPhone 6 is not as strong as the 5s or other thicker devices. The 5s is also not as strong as the thicker and smaller iPhone 4.
No, the iPhone 6 is not a weak as people claim and Bendgate is not a widespread problem, not even close.
I also doubt that the 6s will improve much in this regard. In order to put it on par with a 5s they would need to add alot of strengthening materials to make it resit another 30 or so pounds of force. This will add weight and since the iphone 6 already weighs more than a 5s, I doubt they will do this. As the tests have shown it is considered strong by many standards, especially for it's thiness. There will always be these types of threads, just look at the once for the newly announced Corning Gorilla Glass 4. It's twice as shatter resistant from a 1m drop than Gorilla Glass 3. Now people say it should be measured from 2m. Eventually it needs to survive a fall from the first floor, than the 2nd etc. Its and endless cycle.
I think your concerns are valid but in my opinion if you want an iPhone 6 than buy one and treat it like you should treat a 700-1000 dollar device. I promise it won't bend. If it miracle does bend take a picture, post it in this thread to tell me "I told you so, bendgate is real". Than go to an Apple Store and get a replacement or refund.
That is also true. Well, I'm still undecided so I'm gonna wait and see. Maybe I will squeeze the last breath from my iPhone 4 and wait till 6S.
It is just not going to happen. Making the case of the 6S out of titanium is not an option due to cost. The 6S will be juist like the 6 with an incremental increase in CPU performance.
Hopefully Apple is done with it's "thin folly" and moves towards more structural intgegrity, but I have my doubts!
Don't forget the "scuffing" issue with the iphone5, which was apparently due to the anodising coat on the iPhone being so thin that it was very prone to being scraped off easily. Apple had evidently refined the process so that it was no longer a problem with the 5s.
Same thing with the iPhone 4 antennas. It would have been so simple to at least coat the metal bars with some sort of coating to prevent them from being shorted when held in a certain way.
My guess is that Apple had initially planned on using sapphire screens to help reinforce the iPhone 6. But when Gstat couldn't deliver, Apple had to fall back on plan B, which was to use corning glass, but it wasn't as hard as sapphire glass, therefore making the iPhone more "bendy" than it otherwise would have.
I am guessing that with the iPhone 6S, Apple may find a way to "hide" the antenna breaks, and possibly reinforce the phone structure (either by going with sapphire glass screens or simply redesigning the weak spots). Props if they can use a thinner camera to remove the protrusion without affecting image quality.
Same thing with the iPhone 4 antennas. It would have been so simple to at least coat the metal bars with some sort of coating to prevent them from being shorted when held in a certain way.
My guess is that Apple had initially planned on using sapphire screens to help reinforce the iPhone 6. But when Gstat couldn't deliver, Apple had to fall back on plan B, which was to use corning glass, but it wasn't as hard as sapphire glass, therefore making the iPhone more "bendy" than it otherwise would have.
I am guessing that with the iPhone 6S, Apple may find a way to "hide" the antenna breaks, and possibly reinforce the phone structure (either by going with sapphire glass screens or simply redesigning the weak spots). Props if they can use a thinner camera to remove the protrusion without affecting image quality.
I agree it's not going to happen, but as far as cost not being an option... the cost of the aluminum case on an iPhone 5 was about $48.
iPhone 6 is a little easier to machine so it is likely about the same, possibly a bit cheaper despite using more material (aluminum quite cheap; almost all of that cost is the machining of it).
Factoring in materials and machining costs, best guess you're probably looking at increasing the shell cost to around $60-65 for the case, and increasing the weight of the iPhone 6 to about 5.2 oz from 4.6 oz, and the 6 Plus from 6.1 oz to about 7.3 oz.
The increase in weight is negligible, and considering it costs Apple a little over $200 to make an iPhone 6 while they sell it for $649 and up, making that $220 isn't going to harm any bottom line. Especially after you factor in not having to pay for returned, bent units.
In return, both would be significantly stronger than the iPhone 5, nevermind the current 6.
Anyway, yeah, it's not going to happen. But I think moving to titanium would make solid business sense.