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Do we think the 6S will be stronger?

Frost7 said:
I agree it's not going to happen, but as far as cost not being an option... the cost of the aluminum case on an iPhone 5 was about $48.

iPhone 6 is a little easier to machine so it is likely about the same, possibly a bit cheaper despite using more material (aluminum quite cheap; almost all of that cost is the machining of it).

Factoring in materials and machining costs, best guess you're probably looking at increasing the shell cost to around $60-65 for the case, and increasing the weight of the iPhone 6 to about 5.2 oz from 4.6 oz, and the 6 Plus from 6.1 oz to about 7.3 oz.

The increase in weight is negligible, and considering it costs Apple a little over $200 to make an iPhone 6 while they sell it for $649 and up, making that $220 isn't going to harm any bottom line. Especially after you factor in not having to pay for returned, bent units.

In return, both would be significantly stronger than the iPhone 5, nevermind the current 6.

Anyway, yeah, it's not going to happen. But I think moving to titanium would make solid business sense.
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Not to mention that titanium would be a great selling feature!
 
Freida said:
Hello guys,

I was so ready to buy iPhone 6 as I'm still on iPhone 4 and was super excited even though I would prefer smaller form like 5S but when the bending "issue" got out of hands

Thoughts, please?
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If you are worried about things getting "out of hands" based on internet rumors, then you should wait until the internet declares that a device is perfect.

Or you can buy the 6, 6+ and then paint it using "liquid steel" paint and tape on a titanium credit card to it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_Card ) to even further strengthen it and keep it at home and never use it.
 
McDaddio said:
If you are worried about things getting "out of hands" based on internet rumors, then you should wait until the internet declares that a device is perfect.

Or you can buy the 6, 6+ and then paint it using "liquid steel" paint and tape on a titanium credit card to it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_Card ) to even further strengthen it and keep it at home and never use it.
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Or do what 99.996% of iPhone owners do and just buy one and use it.
 
McDaddio said:
If you are worried about things getting "out of hands" based on internet rumors, then you should wait until the internet declares that a device is perfect.

Or you can buy the 6, 6+ and then paint it using "liquid steel" paint and tape on a titanium credit card to it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_Card ) to even further strengthen it and keep it at home and never use it.
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I've seen slight bends on a lot of phones in the apple store itself! Not a rumour!
 
Newtons Apple said:
Not to mention that titanium would be a great selling feature!
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Seriously. That would make for one hell of a durable device. Instead of deforming at 90 pounds of force, you'd be looking at 180-200 pounds. That's more than the weight of a grown man for pete's sake! If you paired that with sapphire glass... hello indestructible iPhone.
 
Freida said:
I've seen slight bends on a lot of phones in the apple store itself! Not a rumour!
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Oh, you mean the ones that sit out and get handled by hundreds of people every day, including curious vandals who have read about the bending issues and want to try it out without risking their own phones?
 
Freida said:
I've seen slight bends on a lot of phones in the apple store itself! Not a rumour!
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Yes, I have also seen a video where people go into the store and try to bend the phones.

Or do you actually think the phones bend from them just being on the stand in the store? Maybe they are top heavy and start withering under the bright lights? Or how do you think they bend?
 
Freida said:
Hello guys,

I know this has been talked about a lot but I still can't decide. I was so ready to buy iPhone 6 as I'm still on iPhone 4 and was super excited even though I would prefer smaller form like 5S but when the bending "issue" got out of hands I started to think that my £620 might go into a device that is more fragile and eventually I might not pay attention all the time and it can bend. I do not know how "real" the issue really is. Apple says on 9 phones out of 10 mil but that doesn't mean that at that time there weren't more. There is this website someone posted and they keep posting more and more pictures which is why I started to worry about this. I went to few Apple stores and I've seen quite a few phones bent - not that much but maybe something like 1mm which made me think that maybe I could try to survive another 10 months and just wait for the 6S.
So, do you think that the 6S will get a bit stronger and the weak area might get reinforced a bit more?

I have iPhone 4 as mentioned before and never had the antenna gate problem but Apple did fix it in 4S. What are the chances for 6S to be stronger?

Here is another example which happens here at macrumors often - Lightbleed on either computers or ipads. Some people find it normal and some people don't. My point is that some people might not even notice that tiny bend but some people do so the phone has been out for just 2 months so how is the "issue" going to be after 2-3 years? As you can see I buy iPhone to last me a while. I don't upgrade every year so I want something that will really squeeze at least 3 years.

Thoughts, please?
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Definitely get the 6 now there will always be issues.
 
Do we think the 6S will be stronger?

Just share. I am also still with my 4s since 2010. Plan for battery replacement. I am still considering whether go to 5s, 6 or wait for 6s. 5s is in good price now anyway.
In past few weeks just used xiaomi redmi 1s, lowend with cost about $130, 4.7" before I gave to my wife. Now really thinking how to justify $1000 phone. It's dilemma for me to leave apple community though. I've used almost every product from iPod, until iMac.
 
I have a theory that Apple was counting on using sapphire screens to help make the iPhone 6 tougher. When Gtat failed to deliver, they had to fall back on gorilla glass, which ended up compromising the structural integrity of the phone.

I wonder if Apple will use sapphire glass for the 6s, or redesign the case, or both?
 
azhava said:
Oh, you mean the ones that sit out and get handled by hundreds of people every day, including curious vandals who have read about the bending issues and want to try it out without risking their own phones?
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of course I know that, that was not the reason why i was saying that. We didn't have this 'issue' with 5S even though there were small number of bend phones. (in fact my friend has bend 5S but he is careless so I don't consider it as an issue).
The point is, that even the consumer report showed that its the weakest iPhone to date and that weakness will show somewhere. Whether or not its an issue is very hard to tell because we don't get numbers from Apple and we do know that media overblows something out of proportion so its impossible to asses the real situation.
The website someone posted here before (one in 9 or something like that) shows bent iPhones every day almost but I don't think that all those people are careless idiots that do crazy stuff with it. YES, there are obvious bends caused on purpose but there are also tiny bends almost hard to spot which tells me that we might all have that tiny bend eventually in 1-3years. Is that acceptable? Well, probably not but we don't know that now.
Let's just pretend for a moment, that the construction is weak to the point that wear & tear usage will eventually slightly bend the phone. Will you still call it as non issue? (remember, we are speculating here so go with it, please)

All I'm saying is that I'm worried right now and I can't decide. Part of me really wants the phone cause I've been waiting so loooong but the other part is telling me that its a lot of money for something that MAY have this issue.

Aluminium is soft metal and the phone gets occasionally hot cause of the chip which can lead to reduced strength at that moment. Again, the tests they showed didn't test this theory either. Would be interesting to see how the strength changes when the phone is used for gaming or something gpu intensive that heats up the phone and then at that moment do a test of the bend.

There is a lot of question marks at this point for me. If iPhone 5s had apple pay then i would just get that and my problem would be solved. Right now I'm on the fence.

Come on, don't tell me that I'm alone in this?
On the other hand, I think I will probably not be able to resist and will get it on Xmas eve to treat myself. So hard 🙂
 
Freida said:
of course I know that, that was not the reason why i was saying that. We didn't have this 'issue' with 5S even though there were small number of bend phones. (in fact my friend has bend 5S but he is careless so I don't consider it as an issue).
The point is, that even the consumer report showed that its the weakest iPhone to date and that weakness will show somewhere. Whether or not its an issue is very hard to tell because we don't get numbers from Apple and we do know that media overblows something out of proportion so its impossible to asses the real situation.
The website someone posted here before (one in 9 or something like that) shows bent iPhones every day almost but I don't think that all those people are careless idiots that do crazy stuff with it. YES, there are obvious bends caused on purpose but there are also tiny bends almost hard to spot which tells me that we might all have that tiny bend eventually in 1-3years. Is that acceptable? Well, probably not but we don't know that now.
Let's just pretend for a moment, that the construction is weak to the point that wear & tear usage will eventually slightly bend the phone. Will you still call it as non issue? (remember, we are speculating here so go with it, please)

All I'm saying is that I'm worried right now and I can't decide. Part of me really wants the phone cause I've been waiting so loooong but the other part is telling me that its a lot of money for something that MAY have this issue.

Aluminium is soft metal and the phone gets occasionally hot cause of the chip which can lead to reduced strength at that moment. Again, the tests they showed didn't test this theory either. Would be interesting to see how the strength changes when the phone is used for gaming or something gpu intensive that heats up the phone and then at that moment do a test of the bend.

There is a lot of question marks at this point for me. If iPhone 5s had apple pay then i would just get that and my problem would be solved. Right now I'm on the fence.

Come on, don't tell me that I'm alone in this?
On the other hand, I think I will probably not be able to resist and will get it on Xmas eve to treat myself. So hard 🙂
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You are way to worried about this. Heat due to chip will weaken aluminium, really? Life is to short.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...iphone-6-sales-more-than-double-iphone-6-plus
That's 55M iPhone 6 and 6+ shipped and basically sold by the end of the year, 15M of those is iphone 6+.
If there would be 10000 complaints for bend 6+, that would be a percentage of 0.000666% (15M x 0.000666 = 10000). If we also take into account the 40M iPhone 6 that percentage would be even smaller. It's already so tiny it's not even worth mentioning.
So nobody is really worried about it apart from the forum posters and apple haters, it's laughable. Just treat yourself and enjoy the massive upgrade you will get.
 
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azhava said:
Oh, you mean the ones that sit out and get handled by hundreds of people every day, including curious vandals who have read about the bending issues and want to try it out without risking their own phones?
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Yeah, the ones that are sitting next to previous unbent models that have been handled by more people for years.
 
You are not alone Frieda. I too have been waiting for the 6 and I'm still using my 4s. I think Im going to just get a 6 and a nice sturdy case and quit stressing over it. I've never damaged a phone before and Apple does give us two weeks to change our mind.
 
ok, I've decided to ignore the bend thing and just bite the bullet. I'm getting 64GB space grey iPhone 6 tomorrow so I hope that I will not have any issues with it. I so hope that I will have a nice phone that will last at least till 6S is out so I can upgrade 🙂)))

Will report back if there are issues, wish me luck. 🙂
I so hope I'm doing the right decision. So much money 🙁
 
Surf Monkey said:
Time will tell, but I'd put real money on you being wrong.
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I promised to stay out of bending threads because HenryDP is watching my every move waiting to tell on me, but I can't pass up a good bet. I don't want money (though we do live in the same town so it would be an easy exchange).
I just want control of your avatar for 90 days. Already have one bet going in this thread, would love to have this one though.

But, I need to be cautious here. What are the terms of a reinforced phone? I don't expect Tim to say anything. So what will be the determination? Any sort of housing change?
 
Come on Surf, take the bet. If there is any difference to the design of the phone or if ifixit finds there are internal changes to the chasis vs the iphone 6 (or 6+), I get to change your avatar to whatever I want for 60 days.

I already have Newton on board. Let's do it!

Edit: and of course if I am wrong, you both get 60 days, so like 4 months total for mine, lol.

Edit 2: I had 60 days with Netwon's apple, so keeping it at that
 
Newtons Apple said:
I hope you enjoy it when it arrives.🙂
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I am already working on a good one for you guys. Surf will take the bet I am sure of it. Can't wait for next September.

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Apple will most certainly improve the structural strength, they didn't get to where they are by repeating their failures and mistakes.

It's true they're the masters of denial, they're also highly successful in leading a large number of followers into believing them, but that's a ruse. Make no mistake behind the scenes they're engineering changes as I'm composing this.

I'm very confident that the next version will be the one to have. It's going to be a significant improvement.
 
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