I'll be interested to see just how many grams heavier it is. I wish Apple gave more granular measurements.
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Do you guys think the 14" with M1 Max 32-cores will throttle?
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In case of 14” you will be power limited, at the same power usage you will see same temps/noise. But - the Max is massive, much larger surface area, so should be able to dissipate same heat at lower dT, should be cooler/less noisy than Pro chips. Unless the bottleneck is in the heat sink and not on chip-heatplate boundary, or Apple goes bananas with Max TDP. We’ll see in a week.
I wonder if 'High Power Mode' is something that will just kick in when needed, or will the user have an option to turn it on or off? I probably won't need it, and would want a cool and longer running MacBook to be the priority.
From the text that was found, it sounds like it’s a user-selectable thing… enable it if you want the fastest possible speed (at the expense of heat/battery).
Is there a machine out there that won't throttle, given a sufficiently heavy load? Similarly, there isn't a machine that won't go into thermal shutdown if it gets sufficiently hot. That's the point of thermal protection - to keep people from pushing the thing beyond the redline.
The only question here is, all other things being equal, will the 14" throttle when the 16" does not? The answer to that question requires hands-on testing, not guesswork.
Speculate all you want about thermal design and thermal load. Bigger is not necessarily better. The 16" is larger to accommodate a larger display, which makes thermal demands of its own on the batteries and power supply. That larger piece of aluminum allows for more passive cooling. That may mean the fans in the 14" kick in sooner/run more frequently than they do in the 16". Or, yes, Apple can choose to throttle the 14" so that the fans kick in no more often than they do in the 16". We Just Don't Know.
So, instead of making a decision today based on people's optimism/pessimism about Apple's latest thermal designs, wait until there's some hard data to work with.
The only question here is, all other things being equal, will the 14" throttle when the 16" does not? The answer to that question requires hands-on testing, not guesswork.
Speculate all you want about thermal design and thermal load. Bigger is not necessarily better. The 16" is larger to accommodate a larger display, which makes thermal demands of its own on the batteries and power supply. That larger piece of aluminum allows for more passive cooling. That may mean the fans in the 14" kick in sooner/run more frequently than they do in the 16". Or, yes, Apple can choose to throttle the 14" so that the fans kick in no more often than they do in the 16". We Just Don't Know.
So, instead of making a decision today based on people's optimism/pessimism about Apple's latest thermal designs, wait until there's some hard data to work with.
It’s macrumors.com. Speculating is fun, something to kill time while waiting for delivery.
Speculating is fun. Making decisions based on that speculation is ill-advised. Since the OP is seemingly making plans based on speculation, there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
Yes, this is macrumors.com, but people come here for more than just rumors. They're looking for real news, facts, and other people's experience and expertise. The blurring of those distinctions is not beneficial.
Come on, I don't expect anybody to treat the discussions about those new MBPs right now as facts, other than their physical appearance, it is obvious from the posts and where we are with deliveries/embargo. You can place an order now based on most plausible speculation to secure a spot in line, and cancel it Monday when embargo is lifted. I agree that there are people unable to make that distinction, as the last couple of years showed, but I don't feel like I'm obligated to attend to lowest common denominator.
They removed the fan because they could. The M1 Air doesn’t need a fan for the usage patterns of its target audience.
Fair enough. I guess it all comes down to how we feel about attending to the lowest common denominator. In the age of the "citizen journalist" I think we need also be citizen journalism ethicists. There's no editorial staff to help ensure the lines between fact and fiction are not blurred/obliterated, so if one cares about these things maybe there is an obligation to attend to the LCD (and I don't mean liquid crystal display).
I am curious how warm or hot these new laptops get when running processor intensive programs for several minutes? Waiting for the earliest looks to appear. 
Patiently waiting reviews and performance/thermal comparisons as well. Hopefully reviewers already have them (or will get them soon) and will post their vids on the 26th when these officially become available.
I asked the rhetorical question, "Is there a machine out there that won't throttle, given a sufficiently heavy load?"
I agree, I haven't seen a sensationally-headlined article in Forbes or a prominent discussion thread here that reports/claims the M1 has been caught throttling.
However, the notion that Apple's engineers have not included throttling among various other standard techniques for preventing system crashes and/or damage strains credulity. This is the same company whose corporate street address used to be One Infinite Loop.
It may be true that so far, under the kind of tasks thrown at the M1, throttling has not been invoked (or if it has been invoked, it hasn't been noticed). But coders and users have this tendency to keep pushing a system until it crashes and burns. For the M1 that may not have been yesterday or today, but sometime down the road I'd expect it. To allow coders/users to go balls-to-the-wall seems far-fetched. Given a choice between slowing a clock to maintain continued operation and doing nothing to avert the fall... I don't see Apple making the second of those choices.
umm its only .1 lbs , likely the difference is the plate touching the much larger SOC and the fact the the larger SOC weighs more. a bigger cooling setup would certainly need to weight more than .1lbs to be effective. this seems like a larger copper plate and heat pipe plate to cover the soc.
I highly doubt any config would thermal throttle. 2 sets of heatpipes pulling heat from a single source....not an issue in this case.
I saw this YouTube video with some addition speeds tests observed online, but he did have some really good questions against the 14" versus the 16" for performance.
I assume the cooling solutions between the 14 and 16 are identical? Traditionally a smaller computer is more prone to overheating as the different heat generating components have to be closer together, but as these use SoCs it's probably about the same either way? The 16" might have a bit more thermal inertia with a larger mass/ bigger surface area though - which probably means it's fans won't activate as soon more than that it will be better able to cool the SoC when its running full tilt.
Maybe I don‘t get your point but of course there are machines that don‘t throttle. That‘s the case whenever the cooling system is big enough to handle the heat under full load. And I really do hope the new MBP is one of those machines.
You're not getting my point. It's not whether, under normal usage, the system will not need to throttle. Sure, include a cooling system sufficient to adequately cool under maximum designed load and there's no need to throttle on a day-to-day operational basis.
But building a system without throttling is like wiring a house without circuit breakers. Throttling is a cheap, software-controlled function that can be invoked to avert a disaster. Cooling can require costly hardware - fans, heat pipes, heat sinks, thermal paste (and in other kinds of computing devices refrigeration/coolant circulation systems)... all cost money in both parts and assembly, and some of them become less effective with age.
There's a frame of mind among some users that throttling is an enemy that impinges on their freedom. And there are times when a manufacturer could decide to spend less on thermal components and make up for that with throttling - they're making decisions about reaching a certain price point/targeted manufacturing cost. So it's not unreasonable to expect that a higher-priced machine should include sufficient cooling that the machine will not have to throttle under designed loads.
However, if you push any system too hard (or a cooling system component fails), there are only a handful of techniques that can avert further damage to hardware. You can slow the system so that it remains operational (albeit at lower output), or you can abruptly pull the plug (blow a circuit breaker or fuse). One technique may allow an orderly shutdown with no loss to data, the other may result in lost work/data. Any designer that allows for a total shutdown but does not take advantage of throttling should be sent to the Gulag.
I’m not so sure I’m 100% in agreement there, maybe 70%.
Notice the larger fans in the cutaways during the presentation and specifically the larger vents on the sides and back!? More than any other Apple laptop ever so I’m thinking cooking is heavily needed to achieve this performance. Tha or Apple learned a lot and have prepared to ensure no throttling will occur on battery full tilt. We’ll see in about 2 mths time.