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Do you like Liquid Glass on Mac?

Do you like Liquid Glass on Mac?

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turbineseaplane said:
This example is literally straight out of the “Microsoft Windows Vista, What the hell are we doing?” book of mistakes.

As we have all stated in the past, there is a very good reason signs in the real world are not translucent.
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Not even Vista had this many usability issues at launch! It was just built for 2gb of RAM, and sold on computers with 512mb.
 
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thejadedmonkey said:
Not even Vista had this many usability issues at launch! It was just built for 2gb of RAM, and sold on computers with 512mb.
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At least with Vista Microsoft was actually trying to lead the industry by embracing a touch and icon based GUI. At the time Surface products were doing well and Microsoft had a vision of integrating touch with hardware. I remember running Windows on a Surface Pro for the first time and it was magical.

I liked the more icon based GUI but as we all know MS pushed too much too soon before there was a demand and the resulting push back made them change directions but at least they tried something rather bold at the time for a purpose.

With Liquid glass we have no real purpose other than eye candy which it fails miserably at. There was no reason or real direction. If Apple is preparing for touch in Mac OS they maybe should have looked at history with MS and Vista, Win 8 etc.

Apple could have made the GUI look great without changing how many clicks it takes to do something unless it is less clicks. They did the opposite and managed to make a previously beautiful OS into a Fugly OS. I wanted a Tiger OS X like GUI and I think it would have looked great but Liquid glass is the worst of a 3d glass GUI I have ever seen. The awfulness of some details makes me speechless. I just can't imagine how Apple decided this looks good graphically with some of the best graphic designers in the world?

I would rather Apple ditch the AI fever pitch trying to catch up to Google and the rest. Focus on improving efficiency in the GUI making tasks take less clicks. Improve OS performance. Ditch Liquid glass altogether and update the OS back to Sequoia and go back to the drawing board. The icons in 26 are laughable when OSX had the best looking icons.

I remember when looking at a Mac and the OS was like a piece of art. The cool colored plastic cases and OSX tiger. Everything was beautiful as it was functional. I used Macs back then because of the OS and hardware despite it being slower than Pentium chips at the time.

Now the hardware is faster than Windows and still looks nice but has lost the soul of Apple that made simple items feel like something unique and special. That individual identity is being lost to collective designs. Too bad. If this continues I am afraid for the future.
 
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Technerd108 said:
At least with Vista Microsoft was actually trying to lead the industry by embracing a touch and icon based GUI. At the time Surface products were doing well and Microsoft had a vision of integrating touch with hardware. I remember running Windows on a Surface Pro for the first time and it was magical.
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I think you mean Windows 8. Vista came out in 2007, well before MS' surface products

As for windows 8, and being touch first, they tried to force the OS to be a tablet OS, thinking they could compete with Apple's iPad, where as their entire customer base used windows on desktop and laptops. It was a horrible design, and horrible decision. I mean you suddenly made the operating system awful to use for 99.99% of your customers, in the hopes you can make a dent in Apple's iPad market share.
 
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Technerd108 said:
At least with Vista Microsoft was actually trying to lead the industry by embracing a touch and icon based GUI. At the time Surface products were doing well and Microsoft had a vision of integrating touch with hardware. I remember running Windows on a Surface Pro for the first time and it was magical.

I liked the more icon based GUI but as we all know MS pushed too much too soon before there was a demand and the resulting push back made them change directions but at least they tried something rather bold at the time for a purpose.

With Liquid glass we have no real purpose other than eye candy which it fails miserably at. There was no reason or real direction. If Apple is preparing for touch in Mac OS they maybe should have looked at history with MS and Vista, Win 8 etc.

Apple could have made the GUI look great without changing how many clicks it takes to do something unless it is less clicks. They did the opposite and managed to make a previously beautiful OS into a Fugly OS. I wanted a Tiger OS X like GUI and I think it would have looked great but Liquid glass is the worst of a 3d glass GUI I have ever seen. The awfulness of some details makes me speechless. I just can't imagine how Apple decided this looks good graphically with some of the best graphic designers in the world?

I would rather Apple ditch the AI fever pitch trying to catch up to Google and the rest. Focus on improving efficiency in the GUI making tasks take less clicks. Improve OS performance. Ditch Liquid glass altogether and update the OS back to Sequoia and go back to the drawing board. The icons in 26 are laughable when OSX had the best looking icons.

I remember when looking at a Mac and the OS was like a piece of art. The cool colored plastic cases and OSX tiger. Everything was beautiful as it was functional. I used Macs back then because of the OS and hardware despite it being slower than Pentium chips at the time.

Now the hardware is faster than Windows and still looks nice but has lost the soul of Apple that made simple items feel like something unique and special. That individual identity is being lost to collective designs. Too bad. If this continues I am afraid for the future.
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Surface didn’t exist when Vista was released?
 
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maflynn said:
I think you mean Windows 8. Vista came out in 2007, well before MS' surface products

As for windows 8, and being touch first, they tried to force the OS to be a tablet OS, thinking they could compete with Apple's iPad, where as their entire customer base used windows on desktop and laptops. It was a horrible design, and horrible decision. I mean you suddenly made the operating system awful to use for 99.99% of your customers, in the hopes you can make a dent in Apple's iPad market share.
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It was a while ago. My memory was incorrect.

I get your point. It was a decision made before there was a market in the Windows space. Trying to capture market share from Apple was their main goal but they failed miserably.

The parallel is that both Microsoft and Apple have a bad habit of forcing things on users before it is ready or before the user base wants it. This has worked out much better for Apple over the years but now it seems like they are getting into the same trouble MS had. Again, the difference was that Microsoft had a clear goal and went for. I don't see any clear goal with Apple in anything right now. iPhone, iPad, Mac, best innovation is oled screens and maybe touch on Macs(which no one is asking for) and folding iPhones. Both of which seem to be capitulation to market forces rather than innovation.

I would be much happier with less focus on trends and rather improving features, durability, and performance and efficiency and maybe value than anything else. When it comes to MacOS I would prefer less bloat and AI not more. But I am probably in the minority.
 
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I actually liked Vista, or at least more than the "then current" Windows-not-Vista, I don't remember which version that was.

I bought a Mac to try out, having tired of the MS Windows endless nagging: Install monthly fixes! Install drivers and their updates! And other exciting activities. A few months later the last ms windows m/c in my house was gone forever, to the Goodwill store. And I was gone, also forever, from MS Windows.
 
The calendar desktop widget's translucency got all messed up. I was finishing work for the day, closing all the windows that had blocked my view of the widget. I noticed this large, red image peaking through the widget. I couldn't remember anything on the desktop wallpaper that was red that might be bleeding through. So I moved the widget to check. There was nothing red in the wallpaper. When I put the widget back in place, the red no longer showed. So that funny red thing was just a bug. It was a big, red, horizontal stripe. Maybe it was some screwed up translation of the red horizontal line that shows the current hour.

Many times in Preview I've seen images that bleed through the toolbar that were just leftovers from times past. In the calendar widget case, there never was anything red under it to bleed through.

I feel violated. :)
 
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I think unlike iOS 7 where I could see the justification for changing the UI and it seemed to have some genuine QOL enhancements along with it, Liquid Glass just seems like changing the UI for the sake of changing the UI.

Google have had like three versions of Material UI, they change it seemingly every time they get bored. Apple seems to be copying them.
 
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I find Tahoe / Liquid Glass utterly obnoxious, in the same way I find Settings/System Preferences portrait window on a landscape screen anxiety inducing every time I have to launch it.

I strongly suspect that people who state they like Tahoe do not use it in its native form and make every change possible including finding a suitable wallpaper to compensate for the OS's shortcomings.

I therefore consider the TweakUI-ing of macOS an abject failure.
 
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Novae Bentos said:
I find Tahoe / Liquid Glass utterly obnoxious, in the same way I find Settings/System Preferences portrait window on a landscape screen anxiety inducing every time I have to launch it.
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"Obnoxious" is pretty accurate. Here's the top of System Settings that I see now as I'm trying to fuss with getting some extension to work:

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I don't feel anxiety, but I feel aggravation. Do they really want me to be distracted by ugly as I work?

I wrote in a post just above that I felt violated by a random visual artifact appearing in a desktop widget. It was a joke, but it's true. It feels like there are some bozos scrawling graffiti on the front of my house. They really think it looks nice. If they ever graduate clown school and get to high school, I hope they get slapped around some and learn to respect their elders.

Extreme displays of incompetence are shocking. Apple, get your incompetent hands off of my computer. AND GET OFF MY LAWN!

Oh boy, I'm feeling grumpy.
 
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Novae Bentos said:
I find Tahoe / Liquid Glass utterly obnoxious, in the same way I find Settings/System Preferences portrait window on a landscape screen anxiety inducing every time I have to launch it.

I strongly suspect that people who state they like Tahoe do not use it in its native form and make every change possible including finding a suitable wallpaper to compensate for the OS's shortcomings.

I therefore consider the TweakUI-ing of macOS an abject failure.
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Yes, utterly obnoxious but my level of annoyance is minor, Prozac not necessary. Any wallpaper other than a black screen is also obnoxious. Dark mode is much easier on the eyes. Black wallpaper, dark mode plus reduce transparency and it's the same as I have always preferred. Same on iphone.
 
svenmany said:
"Obnoxious" is pretty accurate. Here's the top of System Settings that I see now as I'm trying to fuss with getting some extension to work:

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I don't feel anxiety, but I feel aggravation. Do they really want me to be distracted by ugly as I work?

I wrote in a post just above that I felt violated by a random visual artifact appearing in a desktop widget. It was a joke, but it's true. It feels like there are some bozos scrawling graffiti on the front of my house. They really think it looks nice. If they ever graduate clown school and get to high school, I hope they get slapped around some and learn to respect their elders.

Extreme displays of incompetence are shocking. Apple, get your incompetent hands off of my computer. AND GET OFF MY LAWN!

Oh boy, I'm feeling grumpy.
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Just checked and I don't get that at all. Have you set Liquid Glass to "clear" and then set Accessibility-Display-Reduce Transparancy on?
 
Fallforward said:
Just checked and I don't get that at all. Have you set Liquid Glass to "clear" and then set Accessibility-Display-Reduce Transparancy on?
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So, to answer your question, I launched System Settings again. I made no change and now the display does not show like the screenshot I posted. The bleed through from the scrolled content is more subtle and doesn't obstruct the title and arrow controls.

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This situation is actually worse that it being horrible always. Horrible always can be addressed with a design change. Inconsistent horribleness shows there is coding incompetence on top of design incompetence.

Has anyone else notices inconsistencies like I have? Not noticing inconsistencies doesn't mean they aren't there; you have to have good attention to detail. It could be that attention to detail is a curse in this Liquid Glass age.
 
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svenmany said:
So, to answer your question, I launched System Settings again. I made no change and now the display does not show like the screenshot I posted. The bleed through from the scrolled content is more subtle and doesn't obstruct the title and arrow controls.

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This situation is actually worse that it being horrible always. Horrible always can be addressed with a design change. Inconsistent horribleness shows there is coding incompetence on top of design incompetence.

Has anyone else notices inconsistencies like I have? Not noticing inconsistencies doesn't mean they aren't there; you have to have good attention to detail. It could be that attention to detail is a curse in this Liquid Glass age.
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I think I posted in here earlier about how menubar drop downs appear either 'white' or 'black' with no real rhyme or reason. Still haven't figured it out. Others have mentioned the same.
 
TumbleDryer said:
I think I posted in here earlier about how menubar drop downs appear either 'white' or 'black' with no real rhyme or reason. Still haven't figured it out. Others have mentioned the same.
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Thanks.

I've been thinking about why I saw the inconsistency in System Settings yesterday. I had the problem with the Logitech certificate that was mentioned in an article on the front page. I reinstalled the Logitech software and I let that installation program launch System Settings for me. It was then that I noticed the illegible title bar. I haven't attempted to reproduce this to see if launching System Settings in this way will always break the translucency at the top.

With a multi-monitor setup, I can see some inconsistencies with desktop widget translucency. If there are no windows on the monitor with the widgets, sometimes they are translucent and sometimes not. Probably not worth describing the order of events to trigger this, but at a high level, they address translucency in response to events and they miss some events they should have considered.
 
Apple's Liquid Arrogance:

"First the bad news. We rushed you into emergency cosmetic surgery. We're sorry to report that the doctor accidentally removed your eyebrows and insurance won't pay for your elective surgery.

Now the good news. Some people don't like eyebrows (at least until their next shower)."
 
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svenmany said:
Apple's Liquid Arrogance:

"First the bad news. We rushed you into emergency cosmetic surgery. We're sorry to report that the doctor accidentally removed your eyebrows and insurance won't pay for your elective surgery.

Now the good news. Some people don't like eyebrows (at least until their next shower)."
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