I like the new "View" option. Lists all settings in alphabetical order so can quickly select one. Could never figure out in the old preferences where things were until I figured out they could be sorted by name. New preferences has a default random order which I can't figure out but the "View" option actually is much faster even if I could alphabetize it.
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Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings? [MERGED]
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but this is important: what about macusers who've only just come on board? or have 3, 5, years with macs?
i think a tech company needs to keep advancing it's tech, not simply trying to make veteran users happy by running in place...
Is the removal of the lock an advancement? The one that made clear where and why you need to enter the admin password. “If the lock at the bottom left is locked , click it to unlock the preference pane.”
I would say it’s an extremely poor design decision. And the veteran users aren’t the ones confused by it. Just disappointed
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/cannot-set-time-automatically-using-hotspot.2388149/
'Twas always thus with Apple. IIABDFI (If It Ain't Broke...) applies. And Apple has always relied on its more rabid Macoyltes to aggressively attack users who question their decisions - until it becomes too loud and shows up in mainstream Media. At which point Apple issues an 'update'.
I suggest 'System Settings' will never reach that point - it'll just be an irritant until they make it even more inscrutable.
Until then, 'You're using it wrong.'
huh? apple has made lots of OS changes over the years (while some things, like the Finder, have been pretty static).
system settings will blend into the OS, just like anything else. old timers will adapt (and grumble), newer mac users won't care, and for brand new mac ppl, it will be.. nothing special, or odd, at all.
how (& why) would apple make settings 'more inscrutable'??? anyway, you've used lots of words, but not getting your point.
I personally hate it. It's too hard to find what I want and I don't want to vertical scroll through tons of options, it was much easier to see them all horizontally before (and the grouping made more sense).
Beside the illogical placing of some items, e.g. energy settings & monitor sleep, worst part for me ist hiding additional settings behind a „i“ symbol. Nobody expects settings but only a help text seeing such a symbol.
And the new settings need more space in the height where Mac monitors usually are in landscape, not portrait mode. This makes sense on an iPad or iPhone, not on a desktop computer.
That was a hasty, not well thought through change. Apple beeing Apple, we will probably have to live with this mess for a few years…
The worst part of all is Apple wasting resources on a working dialoge and not using these resources to fix long standing bugs, wrong priorities.
And the new settings need more space in the height where Mac monitors usually are in landscape, not portrait mode. This makes sense on an iPad or iPhone, not on a desktop computer.
That was a hasty, not well thought through change. Apple beeing Apple, we will probably have to live with this mess for a few years…
The worst part of all is Apple wasting resources on a working dialoge and not using these resources to fix long standing bugs, wrong priorities.
so, now that you know what's behind the 'i', aren't those things always there? hmm. also, what's the issue with settings and your monitor in landscape mode? how long would the window have to be to make sense in portrait mode? 🤣 i don't get that at all. seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.
anyway (& i've said this before), over time, we'll all adapt. meanwhile, the same people complaining about settings now will find some other future change in the OS to get hysterical about. it's how it's always been, on the forums....
No vertical orientation on a landscape screen, thus no need for scrolling. No completely arbitrary order of the settings panels. (Why are network settings listed first? Why is "Wifi" both its own control panel and a sub-panel of "Network", thus adding unnecessary clutter? Why are the "General" settings only the 8th point in the list? Why are the "Sharing" settings hidden in the General control panel and not grouped with the network settings? Why is "Battery" grouped with control panels concerning mostly the visual appearance and behaviour of the interface, and not with the other hardware related control panels like "Mouse" and "Keyboard"? etc. etc.)
We've been through this already.
No surprise here.
Eat or die.
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never asked to keep it as is, repeating myself: it is what it is.
just yesterday I wanted to watch a (ripped) movie in my iTunes library on my Mac Studio which I got in Dec, via AppleTV. it didn't find any library. ok, need to turn home sharing on and couldn't remember how. a search in Settings for "home sharing" revealed no results, so google search told me to go to general, sharing, media sharing and voila, there it said "home sharing". So, yes, advancing tech I'm ok with, but a UI that is less intuitive is not a step forward.
so... now you know where it is, and all is well.
not saying settings is perfect, but it seems more logical to me than preferences was. either way, this is the present (& future), and, as i've said.... we adapt.
funny thing is... those things are where they are the 2nd, 2rd, 10th time you open settings. so you can get used to it, just as we did with the similarly-odd layout of preferences.
i wonder how much time ppl spend in settings. i change my wallpaper occasionally (Finder>control click>change wallpaper). but, once most things are configured, i rarely need to return to settings. and when i do, everything is where it was the day before.
It's kind of nice there is a special WiFi section, outside of Network. The one inside Network is buggy. If you disable and enable WiFi, the one inside Network does not function correctly any longer - the Details button won't work. You have to relaunch settings.
Yep. That's what you get when you port an iOS design to a desktop computer: everything's about scrolling. It's god-awful. I'm just thankful the search function works pretty well, and that the View menu up in the toolbar shows everything alphabetically.
It turns out I can make my computer panic and reboot just by using the settings app. Here's what I did... I entered trash for the DNS server of my active network. (I entered "bozo".) I saved it. A minute later I went back and set it to something reasonable. A couple of minutes later the computer rebooted. I think it might depend on timing, what software happens to pick up the garbage during the time it's set that way and then later tries to use it.
I don't recommend people test this.
It's inexcusable for a piece of system software that accepts critical user data to not check that it's valid. This is about as damning as it gets.
I don't recommend people test this.
It's inexcusable for a piece of system software that accepts critical user data to not check that it's valid. This is about as damning as it gets.
Just use the view option to pick your preference panel.
1. No need to scoll (depending on screen size)
2. Alphabetical order
3. View/Sharing gets you right to the sharing menu. Once there you do have to figure out that it is Media Sharing you want, so a bit of a learning curve but many options are logically there: screen, file, printer, etc. Some are not so obvious: Remote Management, Remote Login, ... Probably this is the best place for them though. The search for "Home Sharing" failed, of course, since that phrase doesn't exist in Preferences. That's a problem with searches everywhere. If the specific phrase is not found search for the individual components. A search for sharing would have gotten you there.
I find the text View menu a vast improvement over the previous preferences setup where I had to scroll through all of those space taking icons, even though they were arranged alphabetically. Text selection is much faster.
This is – once more – completely missing the point, but that's on me: I shouldn't have expected differently.
We've been through all of this before.
Love the Borg collective, and SevenOfNine’s facial hardware.Yep, resistance is futile
i'd be happy to (again) read 'the point'... but you have to present it first. i don't remember your point-of-view from a 'previous encounter'.
so... the point is...?
Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings? [MERGED]
Why, yes, I do actually. It no longer reminds me of running a Commodore Amiga with its corny icons. It's structured, relational and works well since the few early gremlins have been fixed. More "grown up", so to speak.
I contacted Steve Jobs on my Ouija board and he agrees.
Thanks for coming. Next?
What do you mean by "relational"? How was the previous System Preferences not structured or relational?
Maybe that means you don't want to discuss it. If so, ignore my question.
Relational, as in data driven, not discretely hard coded. I can't prove that, but I built relational databases and the applications that were powered by them for decades. It has the feel of a relational model versus a cobbled together legacy system.