Good for you. Other people make other experiences that don't have to match yours.n Wouldn't you agree that it's somewhat arrogant to simply dismiss these different experiences and opinions, and treat them as irrelevant?
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Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings? [MERGED]
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not dismissing other people's opinions, just not buying into the whining, or the 'explanations of why the new settings is wrong' sort-of posts.. all opinions are valid (even the wrong ones) 😉
Thanks for the info. I went back to a Big Sur computer and discovered that search is quite nice there as well.
Thinking about that and wondering why I never noticed search was so good in the old System Preferences, I've concluded that I just never needed it; things were so easy to find without using search. I guess that is a ding against the new System Settings. I find it more challenging to locate things in that enormous vertical list compared to having a smaller number of top-level categories. But I'm going to resist being too judgmental since I had years of experience with the older system, so I always knew where things were when I went in to make a change.
In truth, the new System Settings always presents a massively large visual field that has to be considered when looking for a setting. Also, there's not much help based on location in the UI. The only kind of things I have to start remembering is that such and such a setting is two thirds of the way down in category x, and category x is near the bottom of the categories. That's far harder for me to remember that such and such a setting is in the second tab of three in category x, and the categories are laid out in two dimensions (and themselves optionally organized into a few higher level categories).
I much prefer the "old" System Preferences... Apple just redesigns the GUI/Preferences and VOILA! .... a Brand New System... 😁
No, I don't like that the width of the settings window is fixed and it can't be widened, among many other things.
Calls other opinions "whining"
Call these opinions "wrong".
Brushes off any argument regarding established best practices in interface design.
Claims not to dismiss other people's opinion.
Uh huh. Sure.
Do you even read the words you are hammering onto your keyboard?
do you? i thought i was pretty clear; i have no issue with other opinions, just get tired of the whining, 'why can't things be the way i want them to be' posts (and i'm not the only one; i even get PMs supporting that).
am not arguing opinions, am only calling actual whining 'whining'. and there's no universal 'wrong' or 'right', but also... apple isn't going to change things back just because a handful of people on macrumors want them to; this is just common sense.
finally, this is funny:
"Brushes off any argument regarding established best practices in interface design."
as if there's only one way to see that, and apple is wrong, and 5 people on this forum are right 🙄
Didn't take long to get used to it TBH. Not really that big a deal.
Just upgraded two days ago. Since System Settings is similar or the same as on my iPad, I'm ok with the change on the Mac. It shouldn't prove to be more of a problem than just getting used to not seeing it the old way.
I have direct comparison between the two System Settings layouts. My personal Mac is on macOS Ventura and my work Mac on the same desk is on macOS Monterey (since we use medical software that usually takes a while to be updated to the new operating system, we usually wait a year to upgrade to the new macOS version).
So I am regularly using both layouts and I don't mind either one.
Of course, it took a while to adapt to where everything is now, but once I got used to it, I am getting along just fine.
I don't see any particular advantage of the redesigned layout over the old one, though.
So I am regularly using both layouts and I don't mind either one.
Of course, it took a while to adapt to where everything is now, but once I got used to it, I am getting along just fine.
I don't see any particular advantage of the redesigned layout over the old one, though.
Agree but from Apple’s point of view, it is “New, and Improved” for marketing purposes. No issue with the “new” part, the “improved” parts are questionable.
Honestly I like Monterey way more than Ventura and I wish I could roll back to Monterey. But I do not have the technical skills to do so. And if I wipe out the drive and do recovery mode. I forgot my MBP came with Catalina no I do not have that option but only option is to reinstall ventura thanks apple. I cant stand Ventura because Icloud is broken since upgrading then I do not like system settings it looks like a ipad or iphone.
call apple, get icloud sorted; it's fine for most of us. and give 'settings' time; eventually it will just be the place you (rarely) go to change a setting. plus, when the next OS drops... you'll be ready 😉
- Option-Shift-Command-R: Start up from macOS Recovery over the internet. Use this key combination to reinstall the version of macOS that came with your Mac or the closest version that’s still available.
Try that to get Catalina
Its an effort to 'iOS / PadOS' the MacOS visually - standardize appearance when it really wasn't needed or asked for.
I find I use 'Search' more often in the new layout than I ever did with earlier OSs.
I find I use 'Search' more often in the new layout than I ever did with earlier OSs.
After all this time ultimately yes it’s Ventura search/spotlight changes that allows one to avoid navigating system settings more than deal with the layout. Beats scrolling, nestled hierarchy as we get more used to doing it. While there are other tricks, that is the fastest also.
needed? asked for? apple does what it does, it advances the OS (like it or not). then we adapt... until the next change.
took me a week or so to get used to 'settings', now it's as familiar as... the Finder, or siri's voice on my phone, or my toothbrush...
I think it's funny apple has always had a nice desktop picture from the location that the OS is named after, but apparently there aren't any scenic views in Ventura, lol.
They should've taken a picture of Ventura Ave (the one place in Ventura you don't want to live). 🤣
Don't get me wrong, I loved living there for 10+ years, it's plenty scenic. But the Pierpont area where the majority of the beach is sucks. Orange County's boardwalk looks A LOT 'fancier', and nobody wants to see pictures of the idiot local surf gangs that hang out there (yes that stupid s**t does exist along the entire coast here). They've got Montecito and Santa Barbara, even Ojai, like 15-30 minutes away but they picked 'LA of the beach' instead hah.
Everything cool in Ventura happens downtown, nobody wants to see that part, it looks like every other city here. Guess they could've gone to Arroyo Verde park and taken some awesome nature shots up in the hills.
I wonder if apple hired a professional photographer(s) to go out and get the best pictures of Ventura they could find and after they came back with their work, decided we'll just go with a generic computer generated graphic for this one? 😂
did anyone find the old 'preferences' well-laid out? or did ppl just get used to it (just as they will do with 'settings')... 🤔
There wasn't any photograph of the Monterey bay either.I think it's funny apple has always had a nice desktop picture from the location that the OS is named after, but apparently there aren't any scenic views in Ventura, lol.
Speaking for myself, most likely gotten used to it over like 20 or so years, which is why I said: it is what it is now.
Im not as excited as 20-30+ years ago learning new UIs
Relatively, yes. The old Preferences definitely weren't perfect, but better than the current mess.