Given that the "2020 Mac Mini" is a misnomer, and that the 2020 model is actually the same as the 2018 models, except for increased storage space at the same price, I would therefore expect that the usability of the initial 2018 models, in regards to support from future versions of the Mac OS, will be the same as the 2020 "models".
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Do you think we will see a 10th gen mini at wwdc?
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Notice that they have to put orders in by the end of December this year. Of course, Apple has a pretty good idea of how many models they will sell in the following months, but still quite a big uncertainty I would assume.
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I'd argue that the current Apple is the most predictable they've ever been. Most of their products are released exactly when we expect them. Almost all new product lines we know of at least a year in advance.
In relation to your argument about unpredictability, We’ll see how accurate you are when it comes to how many betas of iOS14 you say they’ll be and when they’ll be released. Something a lot of people thought that they knew all about pre iOS 12
Apple is not worried about EOL processors. They probably bought plenty and still have warehouses full of them. They just refreshed the 2018 this year, even though it's just a SSD bump. The earliest we will see a new Mac mini is 2021/2022 and I would think likely closer the 2022. That would go with the 4 year cycle Apple seems to have gone now with a refresh. it's a full desktop processor and Pro type model, no need to refresh every year or two even.
And by 2021/2022, Apple may have moved over to ARM by then, so we may not even see another Intel Mac mini.
And by 2021/2022, Apple may have moved over to ARM by then, so we may not even see another Intel Mac mini.
I agree but the only weak part about the Mini is the Intel 630 GPU. That's about the only weak part trying to drive a 4K monitor which I'm doing, there's just a couple of areas in the UI where I get some stuttering. For the most part today, CPU's are no longer a problem running an OS unless there's no support. I can run the latest version of Windows 10 x64 on a mobile CPU T7200 made in 2005/6 and it can run it effortlessly.
I don't care one bit about betas, so I'll just say one gazillion right away.In relation to your argument about unpredictability, We’ll see how accurate you are when it comes to how many betas of iOS14 you say they’ll be and when they’ll be released. Something a lot of people thought that they knew all about pre iOS 12
One way they could handle this would be to debut the ARM chip on the new MacBook. Then shortly after offer an ARM-based Mac Mini alongside the Intel CPUs.
Then Apple could sell through its Intel supply discounting it as necessary to clear inventory, while allowing people the choice to try the new architecture and any restrictions that it might have. If ARM uptake was slower than expected, pricing could be kept higher. If ARM became the obvious choice faster, the intel boxes could be discounted faster.
To some extent, the Mini is the most tinker-y product in the lineup apart from the Pro. Which is to say it is part of a component system unlike just about anything else. (where laptops and iOS devices are completely integrated machines)
I'm not sure why anyone would think they'd cancel Mac mini. I just think it's on a several-year update cadence unlike MacBook Pro which is on a 1-year.
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10th-gen Comet Lake S still has Intel UHD 630. It's Rocket Lake that should have Intel Xe graphics.
No cadence at all with updates, minor and major, varying from a a couple of times a year to several years apart since the Mac Mini arrived on the scene in 2005..... I bought one then; the first computer I ever owned, and I have had only 2 more computers since then.
I think that there is a chance that we will know the plan in a few days @wwdc, but I expect that we have our last intel Mini now. I am not a fan of the ARM transition, but if your going to do that , you start with low cost systems like a Macbook for a laptop and a Mini for a desktop. Then you move up the line. We will begin to know more in 10 days or so.
I've had a few bad predictions on here about what Apple might do with various product. I'm hoping my idea from about a week prior to the Bloomberg report might be close to reality:
I lived through the Power PC to Intel conversion. We had tools to allow us to use old software on the new systems, slow but useable. I don't see that happening this time. If you are a laptop user, you are going to see much better battery life. And somewhat better performance. But for desktop users, like the Mini, you're going to have a small improvement in performance and nothing else. Except you can no longer run any of your existing software. Will all of your developers port to ARM? Not likely. You loose bootcamp and the ability to run Windows software.
For me the cost is higher than the return.
There are multiple offerings out there, which allow you to run Windows software on a Mac:
- Parallels
- VMware
- VirtualBox
- Crossover (Wine)
All it would take is to migrate one (or more) of the solutions mentioned above to ARM. And even Microsoft is currently developing an x64-emulator for ARM, with the test phase planned to begin late 2020 (Link to german news article).
Unlike the PPC to Intel transition, this time Apple is not alone in providing helpful tools.
Also, Apple will likely provide power users with Intel for some more time. Once a proper emulation is available, Apple will phase out Intel Macs and the outcry will be most probably smaller than some people expect.
Nope. Not possible. Because Intel didn't make B series CPU for Mac Mini. Even 10th 10nm gen CPU does not have TDP 45W CPU. Mac Mini uses 65W MOBILE CPU btw.
At this point, we dont expect any updates for Mac Mini. However, there is a rumor that Apple will release at least one ARM Mac desktop in 2021 and Mac mini is the only possible product for ARM Mac.
If an ARM Mini turns up with Joe & Jill Consumer friendly specs and price, I'd be an early adopter, as I was with the 2005 original.
I wanted a machine to use for work (as a teacher), and other day to day activities. The 2009 Mini I have now, with the iWork suite, remains up to the task, still running the the original HDD. However, it is not going to last forever. Replacement would be more cost effective than repair when the time comes that something fails.
The 2020 update to the 2018 Mini was a move in the right direction, but the specs and performance remain more pro and pundit oriented, and priced to match.
Not everybody wants blazing video editing performance. A modest performer, with a decent amount of on-board storage at a more attractive price...... available off the shelf in a store would be more tempting to the average consumer.
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No... The 8th gen just came out and other than a graphics increase it's not much better. If you're worried about graphics performance you're probably not using integrated graphics anyway.
Two generations ago because Intel is in a panic to keep up with AMD. In reality it would be hard-pressed to call the 10th generation one generation ahead. If you need some 10th generation sticker to convince you to buy something then don’t buy it.
When it comes to apple yes. Their products are extremely expensive and they will sell older products at full price. Heck the discontinued macbook still sells here in Japan at full price. So if I am going to be paying the apple price for a product then I am going to make sure it is as up to date as possible.
It's your choice to wait till the new model comes out. Some people hold off right till they release the next model. It's your money thus you have to spend it how you feel best. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Mac mini but if you're waiting for the new one it might not come till 2021 or 2022 since they're not on a regular update cycle.