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Do you use a virus protection program?

  • No, I never have.

    Votes: 156 69.0%
  • Yes, because it was free. (College given software goes here)

    Votes: 11 4.9%
  • Yes, I always have just in case.

    Votes: 13 5.8%
  • Yes, I do now but I did not used to.

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • No, I used to but I do not anymore

    Votes: 40 17.7%
  • Other (please go into detail if this is the case)

    Votes: 4 1.8%

  • Total voters
    226
... but what do mac virus scanners look for?

If there are no known viruses for the mac, then what fingerprints do the scanners look for?

I know there are trojans out there - is this what they are after?

That is a problem for everyone trying to sell virus scanners: _If_, hypothetically, someone were to create a successful MacOS X virus, what are the chances that any current anti-virus software would catch it?

Against Trojans, Leopard does about all the OS can do: If you downloaded any software, it will tell you where it came from and asks whether you want to start it, and then it is up to you. Drives our marketing people crazy ("People download our software and then they get this nasty warning. How can we prevent that warning? " "You can't. If _we_ could, then any malicious hacker could.")
 
Used to use AVG on my PC although I only ever ran into about two virus problems...

Not on my Mac though and I doubt I ever will. Almost nothing can allow your Mac to be killed unless you do something stupid (I.E. download dodgy software and tell it your password)
 
Used Virex (it came bundled with .Mac) but not anymore

In october 2001 I bought my first computer, it was a Mac (I mean, all of the computers I'd used previously were either my parent's or my school's).

When I suscribed to .Mac they provided Virex, an antivirus from McAfee for the Mac, which, needles to say, only looked for Windows virus (as such a thing as a Mac Virus is non-existent).

When the dotMac team pulled the plug on the Virex thing, I never used an antivirus on my mac again. This, for the same reason I don't help people with windows problems anymore: If they caught a nasty problem on their windows machines, it is THEIR fault, not mine! It is them who should have a proper antivirus in place, not me.
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New Mac AV Package

Hey everyone,

Just found some new AV software. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/networking_security/avastantivirusmacedition.html

I have used the free version of this software on my PC in the garage and have recommended it to people I do work for. Anyway, I'm wanting to find out if anyone out in the mac community is using this software? If you are a student you can get it for only $19.99 which is just over 10 quid for us over in England.

Whilst most people think it isn't necessary I prefer to use AV software since I have to transfer files (mostly microshaft documents) to people using Windozy. Anyway, for the past year I've been using VirusBarrierX4. Whilst I've not encountered a virus I've also not had any performance or stability issues. But I don't want to renew because of the price. So, I've been using ClamXAV for the past two weeks but have run into some stability issues. I find that programs are crashing or hanging for long periods now (text edit is so slow and so is pages) and the only thing that's changed is the anti-virus package. Plus, the ClamSentry icon keeps disappearing from my menu bar - which leaves me thinking it isn't running.

If anyone is using Avast on their Macs I would love to hear what you think. Or if anyone has come across a good or bad review I would like to read it.

Many thanks.
 
When I used Windoze, I had virus protection. Since I switched to Linux and Mac OSX I haven't used virus protection.
 
Just a quick question with a poll if I can set it up.

Do you use a virus protection program? I have heard that it is a waste of money, I have heard that it cannot hurt to have it, and I have heard that people use it simply because it was given to them for free.

Please vote and include a detailed reason if you wish. I want to know if I should include the price of this software into my budget. (It will most likely be Norton since that is what I have always used on my PC's, with no viruses to security risks to date.)


Norton Antivirus really sucks!! I used to have it installed and it used to be like this: Pop-up messages coming all the time (not to mention how resources-demanding it was) and everytime a virus tried to get into my computer it would tell me "There's a virus in your computer, I'll try to clean it, is that ok?" (yeah, like I'm gonna say no)... then "I couldn't clean it, do you want me to try to block it?... then "I couldn't block it, do you want me to delete it?" and finally "I couldn't delete it, your computer is infected"...

I switched to Panda a few years ago... It's cheaper, it doesn't waste my resources so badly, and it ACTUALLY WORKS, unlike Norton... Ask a few people, they'll tell you the same thing...
 
No anti-virus software on any of my Macs but I fear those days are numbered. The popularity of Macs is increasing rapidly .. :(
 
I'm not sure, but I may have lied when I voted "No, I never have."

If you were asking about running anti-virus protection on a Mac OS, I told the truth. I've never run AV in OS X. I definitely ran it in Windows, and do run it in my XP/Fusion install. AVG Free. Thankfully, I only have to launch Windows about once/month.
 
No anti virus on the mini or Linux box. There's nothing in the wild and anything that might show up would still need my password to get very far. A modicum of common sense (and a good SPAM filter) keeps me from forwarding bad emails.

I use Avast (free) on the XP box and run it as a limited user. It works well and doesn't bog down the system.

There is no reason to pay for Windows Anti Virus for home use. There are several other programs are available for free with free updates. Both Norton and McAffe have also turned into major resource hogs.
 
Mac users need educated about security

Simply put, Mac users need a LOT better grasp and understanding on security in general. Rather it's using the OS firewall, another software firewall and even virus protection. Some Mac users are missing the point or want to ignore what the facts are when it comes to security.

1. The Mac OS and hardware is no different than any other platform be it Windows, Linux/Unix, etc. Meaning the threat is still the same cross-platform. The ONLY difference is the fact most virus/malware are written to do the most damage and target the greater number of OS users, which would be Windows.

2. A virus/malware program, packet sniffer, hacker etc. can all do the same amount of damage regardless of which platform you are on. This would most likely be a targeted attack for a particular system they want access to, a corporate inter or intranet, a server farm, etc. NOTHING is ever TRULY secure, that is why companies have people that work full time in their computer security dept. to maintain their security and stop anyone if they get around what they have in place with their hardware, software.

3. Anyone that is REALLY serious or makes their living off of their computer skills, be it a number of ways, MUST understand the nature of such issues and protect against ALL threats. Most "typical or home" users may not go to such length with installing dedicated hardware firewalls, software firewalls, virus checkers, etc. But, if you can NOT afford any type of breach by loosing work you may never recover then the only option is to implement and understand your security needs. You should also have an off site storage locker for your hard drives and DVD backups in case of something happening on-site where you are. This is the only true method of full data security.

I just wanted to point out these details because I am such a user and implement ALL measures I can. No computer person that knows what they are talking about will ever say do NOT use a reliable virus scanner, software firewall and hardware firewall. It's just a matter of how truly secure you want to be, not rather or not your system can be hacked or damaged.
 
Not on my OS X side, but I do have AVG on my XP install for Boot Camp/Fusion. I hardly ever boot into Windows, and I just use Fusion for PokerStars. :D
 
1. The Mac OS and hardware is no different than any other platform be it Windows, Linux/Unix, etc. Meaning the threat is still the same cross-platform. The ONLY difference is the fact most virus/malware are written to do the most damage and target the greater number of OS users, which would be Windows.
Yes security is still important thats not up for debate. But viruses haven't been written for OS X as of right now.
2. A virus/malware program, packet sniffer, hacker etc. can all do the same amount of damage regardless of which platform you are on. This would most likely be a targeted attack for a particular system they want access to, a corporate inter or intranet, a server farm, etc. NOTHING is ever TRULY secure, that is why companies have people that work full time in their computer security dept. to maintain their security and stop anyone if they get around what they have in place with their hardware, software.
Yes but the average home user won't be targeted. And even if they were the largest security holes occur when you have a service of some type running the average home user has a NAT router in front and nothing port forwarded.

3. Anyone that is REALLY serious or makes their living off of their computer skills, be it a number of ways, MUST understand the nature of such issues and protect against ALL threats. Most "typical or home" users may not go to such length with installing dedicated hardware firewalls, software firewalls, virus checkers, etc. But, if you can NOT afford any type of breach by loosing work you may never recover then the only option is to implement and understand your security needs. You should also have an off site storage locker for your hard drives and DVD backups in case of something happening on-site where you are. This is the only true method of full data security.

I just wanted to point out these details because I am such a user and implement ALL measures I can. No computer person that knows what they are talking about will ever say do NOT use a reliable virus scanner, software firewall and hardware firewall. It's just a matter of how truly secure you want to be, not rather or not your system can be hacked or damaged.

Yes offsite backups are crucial. However i work in IT and i would not recommend using a Virus protection on a mac. Also for a home user i wouldn't recommend using both a software firewall and hardware, actually a NAT router is all i would recommend. If you follow proper backup procedures your fine without anti-virus, even if a mac virus is created you will hear about it very quickly. So if your infected then you have a backup to restore to. If you aren't infected you can buy a virus program. :eek:

Its not worth your money to pay for one at the moment. Invest in proper backup instead of the anti-virus as it can save you from hardware and software issues. :D
 
First of all trainguy77 - can I say that I think your avatar is cool. Anyway...

Yes but the average home user won't be targeted. And even if they were the largest security holes occur when you have a service of some type running the average home user has a NAT router in front and nothing port forwarded.

I'm not sure I agree with this point. I think a lot of home users are actually targeted. After all, they are the most inviting targets since security is not a priority for most. Therefore, an easy target. Heard of zombie machines? Granted, this is most likely Windozy users who are targeted. I'll take about routers and firewalls below.


Yes offsite backups are crucial. However i work in IT and i would not recommend using a Virus protection on a mac. Also for a home user i wouldn't recommend using both a software firewall and hardware, actually a NAT router is all i would recommend.

Totally agree about backups and this is such a MAJOR problem for the majority of home users out there. Time machine will definitely help. Being a geek, I get requests for help all the time and when I mention backups, in most cases it's like I've said something totally stupid.

But with regards to hardware and software firewalls. I think you right to an extent. Some hardware firewalls, won't stop outgoing traffic, which could be a problem if your machine is compromised. Free hardware firewalls like IPCop and Smoothwall Express 2.0 are prime examples, as well as most cheap NAT Routers. So, in my opinion, a software firewall on each machine is useful for those who are behind a firewall/router of this type and want control over their outgoing traffic. Some software firewalls allow greater customisation for the type of outgoing traffic you deny or allow. Actually, the latest version of Smoothwall can control all outgoing traffic which gives the user a lot more control. Providing they know what they are doing.

However, I definitely wouldn't advise two software firewalls to be used on the same machine. It's worth pointing out that distinction.
 
First of all trainguy77 - can I say that I think your avatar is cool. Anyway...



I'm not sure I agree with this point. I think a lot of home users are actually targeted. After all, they are the most inviting targets since security is not a priority for most. Therefore, an easy target. Heard of zombie machines? Granted, this is most likely Windozy users who are targeted. I'll take about routers and firewalls below.
When i say targeted i mean by a human not just a replicating virus. Many zombie machines are automatically created, not manually done. And once again you shouldn't have a problem with this if you have no services running and a NAT firewall in front.
Totally agree about backups and this is such a MAJOR problem for the majority of home users out there. Time machine will definitely help. Being a geek, I get requests for help all the time and when I mention backups, in most cases it's like I've said something totally stupid.

But with regards to hardware and software firewalls. I think you right to an extent. Some hardware firewalls, won't stop outgoing traffic, which could be a problem if your machine is compromised. Free hardware firewalls like IPCop and Smoothwall Express 2.0 are prime examples, as well as most cheap NAT Routers. So, in my opinion, a software firewall on each machine is useful for those who are behind a firewall/router of this type and want control over their outgoing traffic. Some software firewalls allow greater customisation for the type of outgoing traffic you deny or allow. Actually, the latest version of Smoothwall can control all outgoing traffic which gives the user a lot more control. Providing they know what they are doing.
However, I definitely wouldn't advise two software firewalls to be used on the same machine. It's worth pointing out that distinction.

If your very concerned the for the Mac run a NAT router then have littlesnitch running on your computer to handle out going connections. :)
 
Not on OS X. I do have the firewall turned on + Little snitch. On XP, it was AVG + a firewall.
 
I have never used virus software on my Macs or Windows machines, and I have never been infected.

The key to avoiding viruses is to be careful where you go.
 
trainguy77 -

I am going to have to strongly disagree with you in some of your statements you posted. If you read my post carefully you will find I made mainly the same point as to Mac OS security. However, it's the kind of "Mac Fanboy" syndrome that plagues this topic that proves the points in my first post. Everyone NEEDS virus protection, software firewall and hardware firewalls if they are SERIOUS about not being compromised.

As I point out in my first post, there is NO difference in terms of security between Mac, Windows or Linux. They ALL have security issues, it's just a matter of the software coding that executes which takes advantage of a certain platform, OS, etc. Windows is on most home user/consumer PCs, therefore the code is written to exploit those systems the most. All computers, regardless have the SAME security holes that can be exploited given the proper code and tools.

Also I said that rather or not you choose to go to such security measures is a personal choice, but NOT because there is something different between platforms that make you more secure than another.

It's posts like this that further illustrate my original post that proves either Mac users are uneducated on the subject or simply refuse to accept the FACTS. "prosperousyogi" said "We all agree we don't need virus protection, but do you do an occasional scan for spyware?" This is NOT to belittle or point to a single user, only to point out this user is one of many posting on this topic incorrect statements that are not factual.

We certainly do NOT all agree on this because the FACTS fully support my original post. There is no one that can say otherwise if they really know what they are talking about. No one that has ever worked in IT at a company would ever say some of the statements made in this topic because they know it is not fact. They will tell you the same thing I did and that is it is up to you just how much security you want and to ask yourself one question: "Can I afford to lose all my data on my system even if my attached storage devices are compromised as well?"

Notice I bring attached storage into the discussion. That's because any storage device that can "see" your home/office network can be compromised at the same time your main systems are. That would mean not only is your main computers breached or infected but your backup or additional storage too. The ONLY way those devices would NOT be compromised at the same time is if they were not connected to your network the main systems are on and not accessible from any outside connection. This is why many IT security companies run full security scans, connect a storage device/units temporary to make the known GOOD backup, then disconnected from the main network and stored in a fireproof vault. That way should a security breach or infection occur and you had ALL connected devices compromised you can go to the one which is NEVER connected to your main network except when making a known good backup.

As I said before, if you make your living from your computer work then there are instances when you can not afford ANY compromise. For example, I work on web site design projects for different companies and can't afford to loose any data. It may take months for a project and most are done via contract. Therefore any loss of data is more than just lost income it is also lost clients. If it means loosing business and many thousands of dollars for security issues then implementing the strongest security you can is a must, not a choice.

I hope some find this useful. The purpose is NOT to make anyone feel bad, only to help educate on the FACTS of security.
 
As I point out in my first post, there is NO difference in terms of security between Mac, Windows or Linux. They ALL have security issues, it's just a matter of the software coding that executes which takes advantage of a certain platform, OS, etc. Windows is on most home user/consumer PCs, therefore the code is written to exploit those systems the most. All computers, regardless have the SAME security holes that can be exploited given the proper code and tools.
Define SAME.
 
trainguy77 -

I am going to have to strongly disagree with you in some of your statements you posted. If you read my post carefully you will find I made mainly the same point as to Mac OS security. However, it's the kind of "Mac Fanboy" syndrome that plagues this topic that proves the points in my first post. Everyone NEEDS virus protection, software firewall and hardware firewalls if they are SERIOUS about not being compromised.

As I point out in my first post, there is NO difference in terms of security between Mac, Windows or Linux. They ALL have security issues, it's just a matter of the software coding that executes which takes advantage of a certain platform, OS, etc. Windows is on most home user/consumer PCs, therefore the code is written to exploit those systems the most. All computers, regardless have the SAME security holes that can be exploited given the proper code and tools.

Also I said that rather or not you choose to go to such security measures is a personal choice, but NOT because there is something different between platforms that make you more secure than another.

It's posts like this that further illustrate my original post that proves either Mac users are uneducated on the subject or simply refuse to accept the FACTS. "prosperousyogi" said "We all agree we don't need virus protection, but do you do an occasional scan for spyware?" This is NOT to belittle or point to a single user, only to point out this user is one of many posting on this topic incorrect statements that are not factual.

We certainly do NOT all agree on this because the FACTS fully support my original post. There is no one that can say otherwise if they really know what they are talking about. No one that has ever worked in IT at a company would ever say some of the statements made in this topic because they know it is not fact. They will tell you the same thing I did and that is it is up to you just how much security you want and to ask yourself one question: "Can I afford to lose all my data on my system even if my attached storage devices are compromised as well?"

Notice I bring attached storage into the discussion. That's because any storage device that can "see" your home/office network can be compromised at the same time your main systems are. That would mean not only is your main computers breached or infected but your backup or additional storage too. The ONLY way those devices would NOT be compromised at the same time is if they were not connected to your network the main systems are on and not accessible from any outside connection. This is why many IT security companies run full security scans, connect a storage device/units temporary to make the known GOOD backup, then disconnected from the main network and stored in a fireproof vault. That way should a security breach or infection occur and you had ALL connected devices compromised you can go to the one which is NEVER connected to your main network except when making a known good backup.

As I said before, if you make your living from your computer work then there are instances when you can not afford ANY compromise. For example, I work on web site design projects for different companies and can't afford to loose any data. It may take months for a project and most are done via contract. Therefore any loss of data is more than just lost income it is also lost clients. If it means loosing business and many thousands of dollars for security issues then implementing the strongest security you can is a must, not a choice.

I hope some find this useful. The purpose is NOT to make anyone feel bad, only to help educate on the FACTS of security.

Unfortunately Macs are different than Windows in terms of security.

You should actually read a thing or two about security before you start calling "Mac users are uneducated"
and resort to reporting wild speculations/ your opinions as facts

Here is some info on windows security.
http://www.techuser.net/winsecurity.html
 
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