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Let me just say I have no problem with the boob in public.

But, to play devil's advocate, if she can whip her boob out, shouldn't eveyone be allowed then to walk around with their boobs out?

And if 'lifes most natural acts' are fine for public consumption, shouldn't we all be allowed to have sex in the streets?

:D
 
You're making a classic mistake there. Children don't sexualise breasts like adults do. For them a breast is just a body part, like an arm. Any inhibitions they get about breasts later is learned from adults telling them that they shouldn't be seen.

You're also making a classic mistake. Children may not sexualize things, but by the time they're school-aged certain body parts have been "naughty-ized" to a point where they already have the inhibitions even if they don't have the sexual feelings to go along with them (but let's not make another classic mistake and pretend that none of them do). People naturally object to having their children raised one way and being led contrariwise by media images they can't control. Of course the image is natural and not disgusting, but there is a legitimate point of view in which *the publication of it* in mass media can be seen as offensive. There is a difference between offensive and gross. Also, apart from the children thing, there are plenty of folks who would prefer more discretion in mass media, whether it's nonsexual nudity like this or any other kind of public indecency. There's a time and place for everything, but must that time and place always be at the supermarket checkout where everyone can see it? (then again, if this were an exclusively subscription magazine, I don't really see a problem with it -- they should know what they're subscribing to for pete's sake)

MrSmith said:
This is from the nation that finds the word 'toilet' disgusting and has to ask for the 'bathroom' in a restaurant :rolleyes:

K, you do get the fact that not every difference between American and British culture is some deliberate attempt by us to distance ourselves from you and fulfill your stereotypes? We don't say "bathroom" because we're consciously trying to avoid using the foreignism, "toilet". We say it because that's what it's called in our language. Who knows which came first, our languages have been diverging for 400 years. In any case, for us, the toilet is not the room, it is the actual physical object -- by the same token, we don't say "go to the sink" if we need to wash our hands. Calling the room a toilet isn't merely "disgusting", it's also improper use of the language and sounds strange to our ears. The only alternative in our language to referring to the room would be to refer to the act occurring in the bathroom, (e.g., I need to take a shower, wash my hands, towel off, etc), which, if the object is a toilet, I should hope would be considered at best crude even in "enlightened" Europe.
 
brianus

I don't know what I find more offensive. Your tone or your opinions.

Face facts. Europe is enlightened compared to the USA in this. There is a puritanical streak in some Americans that seeks to sexualise and demonise the most natural act a mother can do, and feel the rest of the world should bend to their projecting of it as a morality issue. Why should women hide away whilst doing this? Because someone else feels intimidated by it? Get over yourself. When a mother breast feeds, the last thing on her mind is you or any other of the people who may be offended. Quite rightly, it's the child they are thinking about.

This image was not in some smutty top shelf porn mag. It's on the cover of a babycare magazine. The cover is therefore totally appropriate, and also as discreet as it needs to be. If seeing this undeniably endearing picture whilst in a supermarket queue offends someone I pity them for the misguided social conditioning their parents instilled.
 
dynamicv said:
brianus
Face facts. Europe is enlightened compared to the USA in this.

That's a great OPINION. Trouble is, everyone's got one, and their seldom the same. No point arguing such moral questions.
 
decksnap said:
No point arguing such moral questions.
Which is the crux of my OPINION entirely. This isn't a morality question unless the observer projects one onto it.
 
dynamicv said:
Which is the crux of my OPINION entirely. This isn't a morality question unless the observer projects one onto it.

Yeah- I worded that a little wrong I think. I meant to say in an argument not based around tangible facts, you're not really going to get anywhere.

I say let's all get naked! Except for you ugly people. :D
 
evilgEEk said:
I don't understand why people get so upset about a nice bust. I sometimes find myself staring at busts in public places. Generally at museums.
Some can even be found on the sidewalk. Those can be fun to watch too.

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Lol @ balamw

The human body is a beautiful thing. Like I said, I don't mind the pic, its just a matter that should be treated calmly and with an adult attitude - and not something vulgar or that. It's natural and has been forever right?
 
Somebody get the linch mob I'm against breast feeding in public.

I don't like sitting in a restaurant and having to endure some stranger seated near me breast feeding her baby. I don't like it. It's a private moment between mother and child which researchers have proven to be more than just feeding time to keep the baby from starving and to shut it up. Chemicals are released during this time which are shared between mother and child and form part of the crucial initial bonding between them. If a mother cannot be bothered to savor that moment simply because it's too inconvenient for her to find some place private for her baby, then maybe she should consider getting a pet fish rather than have a child.

People get on board the "it's a natural thing to do" ship, but what about the baby? Sure the mother can exercise her rights as much as she likes but doesn't the child deserve the right to a private moment with it's mother?? Let's face it, this has nothing to do with rights it's all about what's convenient for people who are in a rush to go nowhere quickly.

On the whole "mother's have rights too" deal I'm sure these same advocates of human rights would also gawk with disgust when they see two gay men holding hands or kiss in public... but then I guess they'd also deny that sharing love is natural.
 
Bern said:
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On the whole "mother's have rights too" deal I'm sure these same advocates of human rights would also gawk with disgust when they see two gay men holding hands or kiss in public... but then I guess they'd also deny that sharing love is natural.

Seeing two gay men holding hands or kiss in public is natural in my opinion. That's for another thread... oh yeah they shut that down a while ago The GayWay - best thread that was on MR *wipes a tear*
 
Bern said:
I don't like it.

Nice how you can simultaneously wrap your own discomfort up in concern for a child's welfare while judging a mother's suitability for child-rearing.
 
Bern said:
Sure the mother can exercise her rights as much as she likes but doesn't the child deserve the right to a private moment with it's mother?? Let's face it, this has nothing to do with rights it's all about what's convenient for people who are in a rush to go nowhere quickly.

I'm fairly sure a small baby is quite happy to be fed and look up at its mother wherever it is. Again, the mother and the child are far less bothered by all this than people looking on in outrage like yourself.

Bern said:
On the whole "mother's have rights too" deal I'm sure these same advocates of human rights would also gawk with disgust when they see two gay men holding hands or kiss in public... but then I guess they'd also deny that sharing love is natural.

Yeah, it's a well known fact that those who support breastfeeding and mother's rights can't stand the sight of gay men...:rolleyes: That makes so little sense it may actually be the most bizarre statement ever posted.
 
Here comes the linch mob :rolleyes:

I have the right not to like breast feeding in public. It doesn't make me a monster or anything negative, it's simply my rights. I don't like it not because I find it offensive, but because I believe it's the mother not appreciating the nurturing nature of what she is doing. People these days seem to be such a rut over "their rights" they forget about everybody else's. And it is my right to not want to sit next to someone in a restaurant who is breast feeding.

Yeah, it's a well known fact that those who support breastfeeding and mother's rights can't stand the sight of gay men... That makes so little sense it may actually be the most bizarre statement ever posted.

You make it sound so simplistic lol, actually it makes a lot of sense. Many gay men and women have been in that situation. When in a restaurant once my gay friend asked a breast feeding mother if she'd mind covering herself and was told by her female friend to "F@#* off you poofter!" I could mention many other examples, but that is straying from this topic.

I still stand by my right not to like it.
 
Bern said:
I believe it's the mother not appreciating the nurturing nature of what she is doing.

What qualifies you to make such a judgmental statement? What experience do you have of being a mother?
 
Bern said:
Here comes the linch mob :rolleyes:

I have the right not to like breast feeding in public. It doesn't make me a monster or anything negative, it's simply my rights. I don't like it not because I find it offensive, but because I believe it's the mother not appreciating the nurturing nature of what she is doing. People these days seem to be such a rut over "their rights" they forget about everybody else's. And it is my right to not want to sit next to someone in a restaurant who is breast feeding.

Agreed. You are allowed your own opinion, and if you're offended by breast feeding, that's your opinion. I think you're wrong to be, but you're free to be. If you'd said "I don't like seeing breastfeeding because I think it looks gross" that would be a valid opinion.

However, as Blue Velvet says, don't use concern over a mother's connection with her baby to hide your own discomfort. You're not a nursing mother, and may well have a very different opinion if you were. How about you let the mums worry about their own relationship with their baby?

And what on earth was the gay men comment about? (edit: Just saw your reply. So a one off incident makes all breastfeeding mothers and their friends homophobic? Fair enough :rolleyes: )
 
Blue Velvet said:
What qualifies you to make such a judgmental statement? What experience do you have of being a mother?

You're absolutely correct, all women are born with a natural maternal instinct and men are void of any instinct at all. After all we men are just the sperm carrier and nothing more to the mother or the child. Whilst all women are natural born mothers.

The mother also generally enjoys nursing her child (unless her nipples are sore!). This is largely due to a hormone-like substance called oxytocin which is released as a consequence of nursing and holding the infant, the levels being based on the amount of this kind of contact.

Oxytocin also produces uterine contractions during labor, is strongly involved in mother-child bonding after birth and during breastfeeding relationship, it is released during sexual intercourse, and its blood levels rise also in response to touch, warmth, and remembering a positive relationship. It is released in the brain chiefly in response to social contact, but its release is especially pronounced with skin-to-skin contact.

This hormone has been called the "love hormone" or the "cuddle hormone" or the "bonding hormone". It provides a sense of calm and well being and promotes bonding patterns and creates desire for further contact with the individuals inciting its release. It helps the mother and child to bond together. It is involved in those mothering feelings we experience after giving birth to a child. Since it is present during sexual intercourse, it also helps men and women to bond together and form lasting relationships. It makes you want to cuddle, touch, be close, be affectionate towards another human being. Without oxytocin, animals don't recognize or remember their partner though they are able to recognize objects. Autistic children (who often have difficulty with social relationships) have lowered levels of this hormone.

Oxytocin is not the only part of the soup of chemicals produced in our bodies when we cuddle and feel close to our children. Opioids (pleasure hormones) are natural morphine-like chemicals that reduce pain awareness and create feelings of elation. Social contacts, particularly touch - especially between parent and child - induce opioid release, creating good feelings that will enhance bonding.

Admittedly this was written by a male doctor, but you get the general idea I assume??

And no it has nothing to do with my discomfort at all like I already stated.
 
Bern said:
Admittedly this was written by a male doctor, but you get the general idea I assume??

I would argue that feeding a child when it's hungry is entirely the right thing to do, regardless of onlooker's feelings on the matter or whatever societies' mores are.

You have a right not to like it but don't mistake your own squeamishness for an overarching concern for the mother and child, particularly when you imply that breastfeeding in public is tantamount to neglect.
 
{disclaimer} I'm not trying to be offensive or tick anyone off, I'm just exercising my right to voice to my opinion and debate a topic in an open manner {end disclaimer}


Lau
And what bit of that suggests that discreetly feeding her baby in a cafe (or wherever) is in any way a problem?

I think I already mentioned that at the start.
 
If my daughter or son fall and bump their knee often all they need is a cuddle from Mummy or Daddy. Of course any adult can cuddle just as well as me but I have a special bond with my kids. Bern should I take my kids to the bathroom to cuddle them out of sight of the general public for fear that the special bond would be eroded by their onlooking eyes?
 
As you say, it is your right to not like to see breastfeeding. Everyone has their likes and dislikes. I do question, as others here have done, the reasons you state for the dislike. Mothers have openly and publically breastfed their babies for hundreds of generations. It is only very recently, in a few countries, where this has been frowned upon. While breastfeeding may be a bonding experience, it does not require, as you seem to imagine, a darkened quiet room for this bonding to take place.

And really, what is the fuss about here? I live in a very liberal, hippie town and mothers publically breastfeed all the time. Almost all are private about it, and use a scarf or turn their body to be hidden from all but the most prying of eyes. I have no objections to someone breastfeeding next to me, when everything is pretty much hidden anyway.
 
I went on a date once with a nice lady that was breast-feeding her newborn.
We went to an upscale kind of place and during the salad she started to feed her newborn.It kind of startled me for a moment and we talked about it..
A lot of mothers feed their newborns while eating dinner.An example not a fact..

I was fine with it.The restaurant didn't care for it so we left.

I say screw those places..It's all natural..If folks can't handle natural things leave the scene..

ymmv
 
Bern said:
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Lau

I think I already mentioned that at the start.
You've mentioned it as your opinion, then posted an article written by a medical professional, seemingly to support you POV, but it doesn't, at least as far as Lau and I read it.
 
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