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Does anyone else feel like the MacBook is kind of slow and not very snappy?
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If he were to bump it up to 1680x1050, or even 1440x900, I bet you would start to see more of the lower frame rates on his machine too. Unfortunately.
I let everything load completely. You're kidding yourself if you think this performance is worth $1700. You can justify your reasoning however you want. I have a feeling a lot of people are making excuses for this computer when it doesn't deserve it.
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Neither do I, but if you can make the computer struggle that much so easily, you can imagine it doesn't take much to make all things grind to a halt.
But this goes against what most people are saying about it. Do you have a bad machine maybe?
Nice work.
The good news is that I can honestly say that what I'm seeing here isn't massively worse than my 2015 13" 3.1GHz rMBP running at 1680x1050. It is somewhat worse, of course, but I was expecting more, I have to say.
A couple of things:
1. Try disabling transparency in the Accessibility prefs - that should help a bit.
2. Try full-screening five or six apps and swiping between them. If this isn't as smooth as we have every right to expect it to be on ANY new Mac, then that would be troubling. Swiping from the full-screen Spaces either side of the desktop to the desktop will probably stutter slightly, but going from one full-screen app to another should be – to coin the current most irritating phrase on the planet – 'buttery smooth'.
The new MacBook is never going to perform identically to an i5 or i7 processor based machine. That isn't to say it doesn't run well, because it does. The thing is most people are fine on processors that are 5 years old. I say most, not all. This laptop isn't going to run processor intensive tasks as quickly as the Air or MBP lines but it will get the job done.
That being said, the UI lag is on all retina lines in my experience. I've seen it on every retina I've owned (15" original, 13" original/second year, and 12" original). To me this is a non-issue but it is entirely subjective... you could argue for either side all day long and in the end, everyone is right because it is subjective (being a non-issue or issue).
You're trading off performance for size/portability (or screen quality vs 11" MBA). But everyone knew that coming into this new laptop line, if you didn't you were kidding yourself. It is up to everyone to decide what the tradeoff limit for them is.
Me personally, I'm OK with it. It runs everything I do well enough to get my job done quickly. I run VMs on it (with Fusion, not Parallels), Sublime, Terminal and Xcode. All work flawlessly for my workload but I offload the heavy hitting stuff to servers... which isn't a change, I did the same on my 15" rMBP. Not everyone has the same workflow I do though so I don't blame them for not being happy with the rMB. Good thing there are other options... enough that everyone should find something to fit their needs if they want to run OS X without using a hackintosh.
That being said, the UI lag is on all retina lines in my experience. I've seen it on every retina I've owned (15" original, 13" original/second year, and 12" original). To me this is a non-issue but it is entirely subjective... you could argue for either side all day long and in the end, everyone is right because it is subjective (being a non-issue or issue).
You're trading off performance for size/portability (or screen quality vs 11" MBA). But everyone knew that coming into this new laptop line, if you didn't you were kidding yourself. It is up to everyone to decide what the tradeoff limit for them is.
Me personally, I'm OK with it. It runs everything I do well enough to get my job done quickly. I run VMs on it (with Fusion, not Parallels), Sublime, Terminal and Xcode. All work flawlessly for my workload but I offload the heavy hitting stuff to servers... which isn't a change, I did the same on my 15" rMBP. Not everyone has the same workflow I do though so I don't blame them for not being happy with the rMB. Good thing there are other options... enough that everyone should find something to fit their needs if they want to run OS X without using a hackintosh.
I'm going call apple for a replacement. My tab and enter keys don't work like the rest of the keyboard. Both are stuck down in the lower left corner, making them feel very mushy and hard to press. If/when I get a replacement and the performance is the same, I'll return it. I'll probably hold off for a space gray retina MBP whenever they come around.
Thanks for the video showing the resizing of windows and so on.
I tried doing the same on my 15" Retina MacBook Pro. Resizing and scrolling quickly in certain PDF documents using preview.....mine had a similar UI lag as well.
So it seems to me that doing such things does not really make much of the difference between my Retina MacBook Pro and Retina Macbook....
My Display Settings are default as well as Transparency is set to default as well
I tried doing the same on my 15" Retina MacBook Pro. Resizing and scrolling quickly in certain PDF documents using preview.....mine had a similar UI lag as well.
So it seems to me that doing such things does not really make much of the difference between my Retina MacBook Pro and Retina Macbook....
My Display Settings are default as well as Transparency is set to default as well
I believe some people have had trouble returning after a warranty swap. I'd return the bad one and get a new one. Then if you still don't like it, it'll be easier to return.
Just my thoughts from reading return attempts with iPhones by people on this forum after they had warranty swaps.
Not possible right now. It would cost too much to manufacture such a machine and would require miniaturised components not available for mass production.
I think a retina macbook air 13" would be nice, dropping the 11" macbook air.
So 12" MB, 13" MBA, 13" MBP. It would make more sense and be possible in 2015/16.
You're right. I really hope OS 10.11 optimizes things for the retina displays. However, as of today, the retina issues are only exacerbated by the Core M in my opinion.
Such as, for example, exporting 4.5 GB of raw files (215 files) as 100% jpgs in Lightroom, or generating 1:1 previews for 215 20mp files?
I'm happy that it works for you. It doesn't work for everyone.
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My 2 MB files are pretty glitchy, so I can't imagine a 200 MB file. Searching is a very slow process and you just need to sit and wait for it to happen. If you try to do anything else while that process is happening then you'll be greeted with a beachball.
My point is this: it only grinds to a halt if you consider the 13" rMBP brought to a halt as well. The performance difference over an extended file operation is only 20%. You might notice 20% over half an hour. You won't notice it opening or saving or recalcing a spreadsheet.
Oh man if only i can test the file out in the Apple Store....
My 200MB PDF file opens and schools pretty okay in my Retina MacBook Pro. Searching for keywords in it is also good.
It would be even better if the Retina Macbook could do the same....makes portability so much more better for me...
My 200MB PDF file opens and schools pretty okay in my Retina MacBook Pro. Searching for keywords in it is also good.
It would be even better if the Retina Macbook could do the same....makes portability so much more better for me...
Are you able to send me a 200MB PDF to test with via Dropbox or some other file transfer site? I'd be happy to demo it, I just don't have a PDF of that size. Most of mine are 10-50MB and they're on my iPad at home (never use my laptop for PDFs).
Here is how I see it:
Yes it is a Macbook, it is not a performance laptop.
This does not mean the laptop should lack in performance when it comes to fluently running basic programs such as that which is pre-installed on the laptop from Apple.
If it had UI lag to that extent, it should have never been released until Apple figured out how to either stuff more power into the same frame, or made it bigger.
but really, this things $1300 for the baseline. no thanks jeff.
Yes it is a Macbook, it is not a performance laptop.
This does not mean the laptop should lack in performance when it comes to fluently running basic programs such as that which is pre-installed on the laptop from Apple.
If it had UI lag to that extent, it should have never been released until Apple figured out how to either stuff more power into the same frame, or made it bigger.
but really, this things $1300 for the baseline. no thanks jeff.
If this was your experience then I suggest you not purchase the rMB. It is clearly no the machine that suits your needs.
Also, why are certain people constantly comparing the rMB to the MBP. You may as well compare a Porsche to a Honda. The rMB was never touted as a heavy productive processing machine. Simply because it's not and MBP owners wanted it to be...doesn't make it correct or valid. Again, the rMB was never advertised to be a replacement for any MBP laptop model.
New superthin design. Looked supersexy, got superwarm. The cpu throttled A LOT to keep the temps down. The only working solution for me was an app called CoolBook where you could lower the voltage, but the app is not supported on new macs. With time the Air got cooler and cooler, but people expected the same to happen now with the new supersuperthin design.
If the new car gives you 80% of the performance on the track, and if your daily commute never pushes the car that hard, is it fair to say it's a Metro with a fouled plug? I'd say not.
This is how I felt. I felt like I was using an older computer when using it in terms of performance. It wasn't snappy and apps and websites didn't just *pop* when you click them. I felt like everything was a bit delayed for just long enough to notice.