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Should the Hills stars be judged for their lifestyle or given the right to choose?

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The very premise of just about everything you write betrays a deep unease and insecurity. Is this the way you actually think? Do you think that all human interactions are commercial transactions, exchanges of goods and services with precisely defined values? You seem literally incapable of considering anything that falls outside of your bizarre worldview.

My worldview? That's just how the world is.

Rich guys usually date hot women. Hot women usually don't date Joe Schoes.

At least on Wall Street.
 
Right, I forgot. You just assert what you think is the truth and then consider the conversation complete.

I guess he's right, in that:

IF

... you're some investment banker douchebag, with zero redeeming qualities, other than a little bit of cashflow

AND

... the women you pursue are vacuous, empty headed bimbos who only offer some [shallow perspective of] physical attractiveness in exchange for being compensated like a hooker

THEN

... great, that's a match made in heaven :D
 
It's a pretty lame show tbh. But I think it got popular because of its lameness. Seriously. It's like a bunch of super rich really hot rich kids complaining over nothing.

Like "Heidi was talking to my BF, what a"

"OMG no way! How could she...."

That basically sums it up.
That sounds horrific.
 
Right, I forgot. You just assert what you think is the truth and then consider the conversation complete.

You haven't said anything to prove otherwise.

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Do, pray, tell me, then. Enlighten me. Tell me why…….one would 'want' such a person - that adjective 'hot' qualified by further adjectives, 'smoking hot', 'ridiculously hot' - as a girlfriend.

Maybe some dudes are into ugly girls? Or maybe your not a dude?

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I guess he's right, in that:

IF

... you're some investment banker douchebag, with zero redeeming qualities, other than a little bit of cashflow

AND

... the women you pursue are vacuous, empty headed bimbos who only offer some [shallow perspective of] physical attractiveness in exchange for being compensated like a hooker

THEN

... great, that's a match made in heaven :D


Yeah basically. But at least hot guys and girls will date investment bankers.

If your average, good luck getting hot girls.
 
No, I'm not a dude. Rather, I am one of life's apple eaters, someone who has microscopic splinters of deeply embedded glass from all of the glass ceilings I have shattered on my singular journey through life.

But enough about me; it is your posts that are of interest in this discussion.

Actually, I have noticed on some of your threads and several of your posts what almost amounts to a compulsion to post about what you consider to be 'hot' girls.

Are women really divided into 'hot' girls and 'ugly' girls? Seriously, is this how you see them?

Is it the desire to possess those considered 'hot'?? Or merely to be seen (by others, other males that is) to be hanging out with them? Or some mad, toxic sense of entitlement that suggests that you are somehow owed the right to have access to one?

So, after all of your many posts on this topic, I have to say that I still don't get the obsession with the need to be seen to date 'hot' girls…..

And the clearly irked sense that amply stocked wallets are a necessary accessory should one's tastes, inclinations, and predilections lie in that direction….

However, I do think that this thread was a ruse to allow you to discuss the vexed topic of 'hot' women yet again.
 
No, I'm not a dude. Rather, I am one of life's apple eaters, someone who has microscopic splinters of deeply embedded glass from all of the glass ceilings I have shattered on my singular journey through life.

But enough about me; it is your posts that are of interest in this discussion.

Actually, I have noticed on some of your threads and several of your posts what almost amounts to a compulsion to post about what you consider to be 'hot' girls.

Are women really divided into 'hot' girls and 'ugly' girls? Seriously, is this how you see them?

Is it the desire to possess those considered 'hot'?? Or merely to be seen (by others, other males that is) to be hanging out with them? Or some mad, toxic sense of entitlement that suggests that you are somehow owed the right to have access to one?

So, after all of your many posts on this topic, I have to say that I still don't get the obsession with the need to be seen to date 'hot' girls…..

And the clearly irked sense that amply stocked wallets are a necessary accessory should one's tastes, inclinations, and predilections lie in that direction….

However, I do think that this thread was a ruse to allow you to discuss the vexed topic of 'hot' women yet again.
Up until a certain age people are very much influenced by their hormones. Men and women are different and what hieveryone is writing is not unusal for a male his age. Every man who his telling you otherwise is either lying, embarrased to admit it or not really a male.

At some point almost everyone grows up, hormones settle and the view on life changes.

(What happened to your fondness of TimesNewRoman? :confused:)
 
No, I'm not a dude. Rather, I am one of life's apple eaters, someone who has microscopic splinters of deeply embedded glass from all of the glass ceilings I have shattered on my singular journey through life.

But enough about me; it is your posts that are of interest in this discussion.

Actually, I have noticed on some of your threads and several of your posts what almost amounts to a compulsion to post about what you consider to be 'hot' girls.

Are women really divided into 'hot' girls and 'ugly' girls? Seriously, is this how you see them?

Is it the desire to possess those considered 'hot'?? Or merely to be seen (by others, other males that is) to be hanging out with them? Or some mad, toxic sense of entitlement that suggests that you are somehow owed the right to have access to one?

So, after all of your many posts on this topic, I have to say that I still don't get the obsession with the need to be seen to date 'hot' girls…..

And the clearly irked sense that amply stocked wallets are a necessary accessory should one's tastes, inclinations, and predilections lie in that direction….

However, I do think that this thread was a ruse to allow you to discuss the vexed topic of 'hot' women yet again.

My point was to discuss the Hills with anyone who was a fan.

Naturally, hot girls and guys will come up because there's really not much more to the show.

I mean, I don't care if Spencer cheats on Heidi with Audrina if Specer looks like your average dude and Heidi and Audrina are overweight.

But bc they're hot and rich that's what makes the show interesting.

I still don't know if you're a dude or a girl but seriously,

The adult entertainment industry is a BILLION dollar business.

Guys in there 40s, 50s, 60s, and even 70s can be found at the local strip joint partying it up.

I know more men who like hot babes than men who don't.

To each his own but tbh yes I use the 1-10 scale like most guys. You know, like, "She's a 10 man!!! Good job!"
 
Up until a certain age people are very much influenced by their hormones. Men and women are different and what hieveryone is writing is not unusal for a male his age. Every man who his telling you otherwise is either lying, embarrased to admit it or not really a male.

At some point almost everyone grows up, hormones settle and the view on life changes.

(What happened to your fondness of TimesNewRoman? :confused:)

Yes, but a part of the growing up process (and everything about his posts suggests that our OP is something of a juvenile) is the realisation that you can be influenced by quite a bit more than hormones, while they of course, have their input as to preferences.

What I find inexplicable - and I think this is new, is the toxic sense of entitlement, - as though dudes, or guys, are somehow owed a 'hot' woman by life (especially without doing anything themselves about it) and the weird exclusion from consideration of anyone deemed in any way not perfect.

Reading literature from Other Times, one is struck by the hopeless longing, and yes, sometimes seething resentment (at other wealthier, but - in the eyes of the male protagonist, manifestly less worthy - males); but not entitlement.

Ah, TNR.

I'm rather fond of it - these days, I'm trying to reserve it for the threads where I am writing about stuff I like, or am interested in (books, good quality alcohol, music, STNG, and so on…..)
 
Yes, but a part of the growing up process (and everything about his posts suggests that our OP is something of a juvenile) is the realisation that you can be influenced by quite a bit more than hormones, while they of course, have their input as to preferences.

What I find inexplicable - and I think this is new, is the toxic sense of entitlement, - as though dudes, or guys, are somehow owed a 'hot' woman by life (especially without doing anything themselves about it) and the weird exclusion from consideration of anyone deemed in any way not perfect.

Reading literature from Other Times, one is struck by the hopeless longing, and yes, sometimes seething resentment (at other wealthier, but - in the eyes of the male protagonist, manifestly less worthy - males); but not entitlement.
Hasn't this always been the case, just in different forms? Mankind has always been living in a feudal system, whether they like to call it so or not, and the offspring of the wealthy and powerfull always had a sense of entitlement. I think what hieveryone is referring to is a so-called 'trophy wife'. Which is basically a hybrid form of a spouse and a prostitute. I wouldn't say that these come without doing anything about it - after all they need to be payed. If a relationship like this is desirable is a different matter altogether and ultimately up to the participants.
 
Yes, but a part of the growing up process (and everything about his posts suggests that our OP is something of a juvenile) is the realisation that you can be influenced by quite a bit more than hormones, while they of course, have their input as to preferences.

What I find inexplicable - and I think this is new, is the toxic sense of entitlement, - as though dudes, or guys, are somehow owed a 'hot' woman by life (especially without doing anything themselves about it) and the weird exclusion from consideration of anyone deemed in any way not perfect.

Reading literature from Other Times, one is struck by the hopeless longing, and yes, sometimes seething resentment (at other wealthier, but - in the eyes of the male protagonist, manifestly less worthy - males); but not entitlement.

Ah, TNR.

I'm rather fond of it - these days, I'm trying to reserve it for the threads where I am writing about stuff I like, or am interested in (books, good quality alcohol, music, STNG, and so on…..)

What do you mean by "entitlement"?

The kids on the Hills were BORN rich and if their parent goes to the BMW dealer and buys and BMW for them to drive, they are ENTITLED to driving it.

If a rich man gets a hot girl to date him, he's ENTITLED to dating her.

This isn't some broke guy, who has the ability to work, demanding the government to raise his SSI benefits or food stamps. Now that's feeling entitled.

Bottom Line: "IN LIFE, YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE!" :)

:apple:
 
Here is a 40 second summary

http://youtu.be/ssY59yUuY2U
That link sent me to the entrance theme to the show, but I was able to roam youtube for what this is all about.

I didn't know that this was an MTV show. I always liked those. I even watched some Jersey Shore once and found it interesting. All I could gather from The Hills is that they shaved a poor kitty :( Looked like a baby Maine Coon, the largest domestic cats.
 
My point was to discuss the Hills with anyone who was a fan.

…….
But bc they're hot and rich that's what makes the show interesting.

I still don't know if you're a dude or a girl but seriously,

The adult entertainment industry is a BILLION dollar business.

Guys in there 40s, 50s, 60s, and even 70s can be found at the local strip joint partying it up.

I know more men who like hot babes than men who don't.

To each his own but tbh yes I use the 1-10 scale like most guys. You know, like, "She's a 10 man!!! Good job!"

Firstly, is the fact that a show features people who are 'hot and rich' what makes it a source of absorbing and abiding fascination for you? Is this your sole value system, worthy of attention and emulation - 'hot and rich'? (And yes, I do know that this question has featured in other, older threads).

Now, maybe it is just me, with my esoteric and frightfully intellectual preferences, but I have always (even in my teenaged days when I didn't know the what term 'rampaging hormones' actually meant but did get to know - vaguely - what it felt like to have them) found shows where the parameters for content were defined by 'hot and rich' to be stupefyingly underwhelming and breathtakingly uninteresting.

What was supposed to be of interest was what defined them as what they were - not what they did. They didn't actually do anything, except perhaps cheat on and sleep with one another. Now, to be honest, unless one is an anthropologist with an interest in the minutiae of the empty lives of the sub-section defined as 'rich and hot' this is awfully boring viewing.

And, the 1-10 scale; you know, I am beginning to doubt that the OP even sees woman as fully breathing and autonomous human beings; rather, they are ciphers, ciphers to be accorded a score…..




Hasn't this always been the case, just in different forms? Mankind has always been living in a feudal system, whether they like to call it so or not, and the offspring of the wealthy and powerfull always had a sense of entitlement. I think what hieveryone is referring to is a so-called 'trophy wife'. Which is basically a hybrid form of a spouse and a prostitute. I wouldn't say that these come without doing anything about it - after all they need to be payed. If a relationship like this is desirable is a different matter altogether and ultimately up to the participants.

Ah, well, why didn't our OP actually state that? If he merely wants a 'trophy wife' let him partake of and participate in the world where such values and conduct is the norm.

Re the feudal system, yes, I agree that the wealthy have long had a sense of entitlement, and, depending on the degree of power and influence they could summon, sometimes even went so far as to have their rights to wealth, power and indeed, sexual partners, buttressed and sturdily reinforced by religious teaching claiming divine support for this lamentable state of affairs.

And this is why - in such matters - I am firmly on the side of those who clamour for a somewhat modified social construct; my heart lies, and always has done so, with those who seek reform, and not with the 'rich and hot'.
 
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What do you mean by "entitlement"?

The kids on the Hills were BORN rich and if their parent goes to the BMW dealer and buys and BMW for them to drive, they are ENTITLED to driving it.

If a rich man gets a hot girl to date him, he's ENTITLED to dating her.

This isn't some broke guy, who has the ability to work, demanding the government to raise his SSI benefits or food stamps. Now that's feeling entitled.

Bottom Line: "IN LIFE, YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE!" :)

:apple:

Even if that was all true, the sad fact is you aren't one of them.

The fact remains that you would still be left alone, with your right hand action, watching TV and masturbating.
 
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Ah, well, why didn't our OP actually state that? If he merely wants a 'trophy wife' let him partake of and participate in the world that where such values and conduct is the norm.

See, ole Hi is a little more complicated than that. He wants a trophy wife with the looks of a coked up Angeleno out for a night on the town, but the attitude of a demure puritan housemaid.

This makes me think two things. Either he's 14, all hormone rushed and scared of women. Or he has some severe self esteem issues.
 
Even if that was all true.

The sad fact would remain that you would still be left alone, with your right hand action.
I doubt that is the case if he is rich and living in the US.
Also: ones right hand doesn't get pregnant, transmit STDs (if washed properly) or cost money. It also tends to know best, what a man likes. ;)
I guess that's why Salvador Dali called himself 'the Masturbator'.

salvador-dali.jpg!Portrait.jpg
 
What do you mean by "entitlement"?

The kids on the Hills were BORN rich and if their parent goes to the BMW dealer and buys and BMW for them to drive, they are ENTITLED to driving it.

If a rich man gets a hot girl to date him, he's ENTITLED to dating her.

This isn't some broke guy, who has the ability to work, demanding the government to raise his SSI benefits or food stamps. Now that's feeling entitled.

Bottom Line: "IN LIFE, YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE!" :)

:apple:

Your verb needs attention. Nobody is 'entitled' to anything of the sort.

I have taken the time to amend this sentence so that it now reads: "If a 'rich man 'gets' (what a crude, ugly verb) a 'hot girl to date him, he has successfully persuaded her to date him".

I repeat, he is entitled to nobody's attention, time, or body.

I think your understanding of the verb 'entitled' and mine differ drastically. This, along with your blind worship of the status symbols conferred by wealth, and your contempt for poverty (where did anyone introduce the topic of poverty and stamps?) shows a really skewed and limited, set of values.


 
Firstly, is the fact that a show features people who are 'hot and rich' what makes it a source of absorbing and abiding fascination for you? Is this your sole value system, worth of attention and emulation - 'hot and rich'? (And yes, I do know that this question has featured in other, older threads).

Now, maybe it is just me, with my esoteric and frightfully intellectual preferences, but I have always (even in my teenaged days when I didn't know the what term 'rampaging hormones' actually meant but did get to know - vaguely - what it felt like to have them) found shows where the parameters for content were defined by 'hot and rich' to be stupefyingly underwhelming and breathtakingly uninteresting.

What was supposed to be of interest was what defined them as what they were - not what they did. They didn't actually do anything, except perhaps chart on and sleep with one another. Now, to be honest, unless one is an anthropologist with an interest in the minutiae of the empty lives of the sub-section defined as 'rich and hot' this is awfully boring viewing.

And, the 1-10 scale; you know, I am beginning to doubt that the OP even sees woman as fully breathing and autonomous human beings; rather, they are ciphers, ciphers to be accorded a score…..






Ah, well, why didn't our OP actually state that? If he merely wants a 'trophy wife' let him partake of and participate in the world that where such values and conduct is the norm.

Re the feudal system, yes, I agree that the wealthy have long had a sense of entitlement, and, depending on the degree of power and influence they could summon, sometimes even went so far as to have their rights to wealth, power and indeed, sexual partners, buttressed and sturdily reinforced by religious teaching claiming divine support for this lamentable state of affairs.

And this is why - in such matters - I am firmly on the side of those who clamour for a somewhat modified social construct; my heart lies, and always has done so, with those who seek reform, and not with the 'rich and hot'.

If the show was so boring as you claim why did it have 6 seasons how did the cast make millions from it???
 
See, ole Hi is a little more complicated than that. He wants a trophy wife with the looks of a coked up Angeleno out for a night on the town, but the attitude of a demure puritan housemaid.

This makes me think two things. Either he's 14, all hormone rushed and scared of women. Or he has some severe self esteem issues.

What!?!

What does self esteem have to do with this?

Men should work hard and WANT to date attractive celebs. Has nothing to do with self esteem.

Think about this-

Plain Jane vs Lauren Conrad

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Your verb needs attention. Nobody is 'entitled' to anything of the sort.

I have taken the time to amend this sentence so that it now reads: "If a 'rich man 'gets' (what a crude, ugly verb) a 'hot girl to date him, he has successfully persuaded her to date him".

I repeat, he is entitled to nobody's attention, time, or body.

I think your understanding of the verb 'entitled' and mine differ drastically. This, along with your blind worship of the status symbols conferred by wealth, and your contempt for poverty (where did anyone introduce the topic of poverty and stamps?) shows a really skewed and limited, set of values.




Heck no I don't have "values".

You only live once. I'm not going to waste it not going all out.

The Hills is a great show bc it emobodifies the core values I cherish:

Wealth, good looks, big houses, fancy cars, expensive dinners

Who wouldn't want all that?

All this ANTI- Bourgeoisie talk isnt making sense. People should want to live like the Hills or even better TBH
 
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I doubt that is the case if he is rich and living in the US.
Also: ones right hand doesn't get pregnant, transmit STDs (if washed properly) or cost money. It also tends to know best, what a man likes. ;)
I guess that's why Salvador Dali called himself 'the Masturbator'.

Image

Great image I for one miss Salvador Dali, my parents met him in Paris in 1956. I have a signed birthday from him.
 
Ah, well, why didn't our OP actually state that? If he merely wants a 'trophy wife' let him partake of and participate in the world where such values and conduct is the norm.

Re the feudal system, yes, I agree that the wealthy have long had a sense of entitlement, and, depending on the degree of power and influence they could summon, sometimes even went so far as to have their rights to wealth, power and indeed, sexual partners, buttressed and sturdily reinforced by religious teaching claiming divine support for this lamentable state of affairs.

And this is why - in such matters - I am firmly on the side of those who clamour for a somewhat modified social construct; my heart lies, and always has done so, with those who seek reform, and not with the 'rich and hot'.
Victoribus Spolia ;)

But: are those spoils worth the victory?

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Great image I for one miss Salvador Dali, my parents met him in Paris in 1956. I have a signed birthday from him.
Wow :eek:
I am a fan of Dali. Always sad when a colorful human leaves us.
 
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