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Should the Hills stars be judged for their lifestyle or given the right to choose?

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Wow. What a fantastic story, and how lucky you are to have such memories Brilliant - I'm impressed.





No, of course not - at least, not to my mind.

Re Dali, as a teenager I was a bit torn by the fact that I really hugely liked his work - especially his stunning composition - but was made uneasy by the fact that some critics regarded him as 'morally rotten', and went on to dismiss both man and work in such tones, seeing them as indistinguishable.

George Orwell - whom I really admire as writer and thinker - managed to bridge this divide for me when I came across one of his essays which argued that Dali was both an outstanding artist and a morally bankrupt human being.


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Insecurity? The desire to prove himself to himself? Impress other males?

Just to show off a bit more, on that same holiday.

1956.

My parents took me to the Paris Opera house, at about 14.00, the theatre was closed to the general public, I was introduced to people it was dark and I remember the smell of sweat, later I learnt that I had met Zizi Jeanmaire.

I was 10 years old all I wanted was an ice cream.
 
Thanks - I hadn't picked up on the parrot pun either. (Must be slow, tonight…..).

Okay, I get it and thank you again….and agree with you.




I'm not calling you 'crazy' (your word, not mine). I am merely explaining that some of us have different goals, and worship at different shrines. Your goals mean little to me, as I neither share them nor do they have any resonance in my world, the world of the mind, or mental landscape, and mine, on the other hand, probably arouses a blistering contempt in you. So be it.

You cannot conceive of how anyone would want to be other than ostentatiously rich and positively dripping in status symbols, cars, houses, and women (as possessions). How….trite and vapid. But, your choice, if that floats your boat.

Personally, I cannot conceive of how someone can want to live a life devoid of an intellectual dimension and a well stocked and endlessly reappraised mental landscape. Someone who has no questions to ask of the world - or who has few interesting stories to tell of their time while here - is not someone I could envisage spending too much of my own time with, willingly. But, maybe that is just me.

However, on the topic of (Bill Gates) dropping out of Harvard to found Microsoft, and the late Mr Jobs taking a similar path when he decided to abandon formal education, I don't have a quarrel with that; they were pursuing a dream a goal, a vision. They wanted to do something, add to the world's store of activity and knowledge, and preferably do well out of it. Few would argue that they transformed their world.

Your goals, from what I have read of your posts, are merely to be (to be rich, to be linked with a 'hot' person - I cannot say anything other than that, or the unwanted image of a scarlet parrot will float into my mind), rather than to do anything.

I suspect that you do not necessarily admire either Mr Gates or Mr Jobs for what they did, but for what their eventual wealth allowed them to buy, eventually.

At the end of the day, I value knowledge, and its acquisition. You value wealth, and its acquisition. So, our core values differ. Fundamentally. And, one final difference. I rather like the English language, and so will never end a post with that tedious, unimaginative, derivative, ghastly little online giggle, the one that is often in three lazy letters.

Ok fair enough. At least you're not the Ivy League type who insists their degree is worth more than the money they make. Those types are only kidding themselves.

They have pride in their education, but they're basically poor and still funded by their parents.

Truth is I can get a masters or Phd at an Ivy League if I wanted. I have a great GPA and all that. But it's not worth it. I'd rather work and make money.

Knowledge to me is only worth what it can bring you later in life.

If all one has to show for is a fancy degree I am not impressed.

I am not alone with this thinking.

What is the Hills about? Is it a bunch of smart Harvard kids sitting in the library studying Kantian ethics?

OR

Is it about a bunch of hot and rich kids driving fancy cars sleeping around with each other's boyfriends and girlfriends?

Seems like people want to see the latter.
 
Ok fair enough. At least you're not the Ivy League type who insists their degree is worth more than the money they make. Those types are only kidding themselves.

They have pride in their education, but they're basically poor and still funded by their parents.

Truth is I can get a masters or Phd at an Ivy League if I wanted. I have a great GPA and all that. But it's not worth it. I'd rather work and make money.

Knowledge to me is only worth what it can bring you later in life.

If all one has to show for is a fancy degree I am not impressed.

I am not alone with this thinking.

What is the Hills about? Is it a bunch of smart Harvard kids sitting in the library studying Kantian ethics?

OR

Is it about a bunch of hot and rich kids driving fancy cars sleeping around with each other's boyfriends and girlfriends?

Seems like people want to see the latter.


But you have NEITHER.:p
 
That link sent me to the entrance theme to the show, but I was able to roam youtube for what this is all about.

I didn't know that this was an MTV show. I always liked those. I even watched some Jersey Shore once and found it interesting. All I could gather from The Hills is that they shaved a poor kitty :( Looked like a baby Maine Coon, the largest domestic cats.

These shows are kind of like "I can't believe u watch that!" Shows but everyone does it lol
 
Ok fair enough. At least you're not the Ivy League type who insists their degree is worth more than the money they make. Those types are only kidding themselves.

They have pride in their education, but they're basically poor and still funded by their parents.

Truth is I can get a masters or Phd at an Ivy League if I wanted. I have a great GPA and all that. But it's not worth it. I'd rather work and make money.

Knowledge to me is only worth what it can bring you later in life.

If all one has to show for is a fancy degree I am not impressed.

I am not alone with this thinking.

What is the Hills about? Is it a bunch of smart Harvard kids sitting in the library studying Kantian ethics?

OR

Is it about a bunch of hot and rich kids driving fancy cars sleeping around with each other's boyfriends and girlfriends?

Seems like people want to see the latter.

Hahaha, you're too much; keep crowing buddy.
 

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Hahaha, you're too much; keep crowing buddy.

Is that you in the pic?

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Staying on topic, Kristen Cavallari is now married to an NFL qb.

I never really liked her personality.

She came across like a snob but wasn't even popular.
 
The response by the OP was like bringing a knife to a gunfight :) Aw, heck, that's being too nice, it was like like bringing a stick to ground zero. :D
 
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The response by the OP was like bringing a knife to a gunfight :) Aw, heck, that's being too nice, it was like like bringing a stick to ground zero. :D

I didn't know there was a competition??

It's just a matter of what you want in life.

Some would like to be like Spencer- nice ride, money, hot wife, big house, partying

Some would like to be educated, but make little money. They just like reading books or whatever.
 
I didn't know there was a competition??

It's just a matter of what you want in life.

Some would like to be like Spencer- nice ride, money, hot wife, big house, partying

Some would like to be educated, but make little money. They just like reading books or whatever.

It's Saturday night and you are here on the internet with us, a real STUD would be with HOT Girls who DON'T touch his wallet.:p
 
I didn't know there was a competition??

It's just a matter of what you want in life.

Some would like to be like Spencer- nice ride, money, hot wife, big house, partying

Some would like to be educated, but make little money. They just like reading books or whatever.

Some of us write them too, my friend.


It's Saturday night and you are here on the internet with us, a real STUD would be with HOT Girls who DON'T touch his wallet.:p

I know. Sad, really, such a lack of worldly ambition….to be sitting here debating with some - anonymous people - who respect neither wealth nor the difficult to measure yardstick of what constitutes relative heat in 'hotness'…..
 
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Not everyone can be like the Hills!!!

The funny thing is, there are +plenty+ of smart, educated people, who are out, with equally smart, beautiful women, experiencing things you can't even imagine - on Monday, they're back to creating amazing things.

There are people with significant business experience and education, who traveled the world surfing some of the most incredible waves ever, meeting worldly, exotic women - who have the money to buy <stuff> but choose to experience life.

You've got this [painfully wrong] that engaging with life has some kind of simplistic formula.


Some would like to be like Spencer- nice ride, money, hot wife, big house, partying

Some would like to be educated, but make little money. They just like reading books or whatever.

That's such a misguided perspective on things.

You don't need to be the halfwits from the Hills to get out and mix things up, engage with life, climb a mountain, surf a crazy break in New Zealand, drop out of the corporate drudgery and build something great, run an Iron Man Tri, and yeah, even hook up with beautiful, "hot" women and have a three way. :cool:
 
The funny thing is, there are +plenty+ of smart, educated people, who are out, with equally smart, beautiful women, experiencing things you can't even imagine - on Monday, they're back to creating amazing things.

There are people with significant business experience and education, who traveled the world surfing some of the most incredible waves ever, meeting worldly, exotic women - who have the money to buy <stuff> but choose to experience life.

You've got this [painfully wrong] that engaging with life has some kind of simplistic formula.




That's such a misguided perspective on things.

You don't need to be the halfwits from the Hills to get out and mix things up, engage with life, climb a mountain, surf a crazy break in New Zealand, drop out of the corporate drudgery and build something great, run an Iron Man Tri, and yeah, even hook up with beautiful, "hot" women and have a three way. :cool:

Not really. I've never seen a guy who spends most his time in a library with a model.

Audrina Patridge was dating a pro BMX biker for 5 years with tattoos and ripped as heck!

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Some of us write them too, my friend.




I know. Sad, really, such a lack of worldly ambition….to be sitting here debating with some - anonymous people - who respect neither wealth nor the difficult to measure yardstick of what constitutes relative heat in 'hotness'…..

Well I find it important to show people there is a life out there beyond their circle.

The hills does a perfect job. Most people are just content with "enough"

I say shoot for the stars. Get an Audrina Patridge to be your beau or a Lauren Conrad.

Why stop there?

As Steve jobs said don't be overtaken by dogma.

And feel like education is the only path. It'll get you enough to earn a living. But if you truly want to be Hollywood Hills, you MUST follow your own path!

And I think the perfect example is Lauren Conrad who went to fashion school.

EDIT: Or even like me. I could've gone and done an English major and taught at a school or something but I said that's not the life I want to live.

Bottom line: don't let the trodden path dictate who are you. Do something great. Not mediocre.



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Yes you could be Hieveryone.

Or worse- a happy bunny :p
 
The funny thing is, there are +plenty+ of smart, educated people, who are out, with equally smart, beautiful women, experiencing things you can't even imagine - on Monday, they're back to creating amazing things.

There are people with significant business experience and education, who traveled the world surfing some of the most incredible waves ever, meeting worldly, exotic women - who have the money to buy <stuff> but choose to experience life.

You've got this [painfully wrong] that engaging with life has some kind of simplistic formula.




That's such a misguided perspective on things.

You don't need to be the halfwits from the Hills to get out and mix things up, engage with life, climb a mountain, surf a crazy break in New Zealand, drop out of the corporate drudgery and build something great, run an Iron Man Tri, and yeah, even hook up with beautiful, "hot" women and have a three way. :cool:

And some of those women are the sort who have been marginally tamed by excessive education and won't look sideways at a guy unless he can actually intelligently discuss stuff such as……….'Kantian ethics'…..

But yes, I agree wholeheartedly about the extraordinary richness of a fully lived life.


 
And some of those women are the sort who have been marginally tamed by excessive education and won't look sideways at a guy unless he can actually intelligently discuss stuff such as……….'Kantian ethics'…..

But yes, I agree wholeheartedly about the extraordinary richness of a fully lived life.



I never saw any adult entertainers in college when I was there. Most are in LA and on your computer screen lol

I'm not sure if the Hills stars went to college but what good would it have done???
 
Ok fair enough. At least you're not the Ivy League type who insists their degree is worth more than the money they make. Those types are only kidding themselves.

They have pride in their education, but they're basically poor and still funded by their parents.

Truth is I can get a masters or Phd at an Ivy League if I wanted. I have a great GPA and all that. But it's not worth it. I'd rather work and make money.

Knowledge to me is only worth what it can bring you later in life.

If all one has to show for is a fancy degree I am not impressed.

I am not alone with this thinking.

What is the Hills about? Is it a bunch of smart Harvard kids sitting in the library studying Kantian ethics?

OR

Is it about a bunch of hot and rich kids driving fancy cars sleeping around with each other's boyfriends and girlfriends?

Seems like people want to see the latter.

Sigh. Give me the kids who can discuss 'Kantian ethics' any day. Actually, give me the kids who can discuss 'Kantian ethics' every day. No contest. Not for me…

You really seem to have some difficulty in accepting that some of us are not remotely interested (and that is not affectation, that is fact) in stories about 'hot and rich kids driving fancy cars sleeping around with each other's boyfriends and girlfriends'. You have no idea how utterly tedious I find that sort of stuff in real life, let alone some sort of stupid soap opera.

Now, on the other hand, me, (if I am recruiting personal staff…..) I want to be surrounded by kids who are excited by ideas, and aroused by argument and debate and research and the idea that sometimes, the truth comes in many guises, not all of which can be firmly focussed in firmly grounded and confirmed fact. Who want to engage their minds before opening their mouths. Who want to work out why things happen, and how. Whose gods are the public good, not the private pocket….
 
Sigh. Give me the kids who can discuss 'Kantian ethics' any day. Actually, give me the kids who can discuss 'Kantian ethics' every day. No contest. Not for me…

You really seem to have some difficulty in accepting that some of us are not remotely interested (and that is not affectation, that is fact) in stories about 'hot and rich kids driving fancy cars sleeping around with each other's boyfriends and girlfriends'. You have no idea how utterly tedious I find that sort of stuff in real life, let alone some sort of stupid soap opera.

Now, on the other hand, me, (if I am recruiting personal staff…..) I want to be surrounded by kids who are excited by ideas, and aroused by argument and debate and research and the idea that sometimes, the truth comes in many guises, not all of which can be firmly focussed in firmly grounded and confirmed fact. Who want to engage their minds before opening their mouths. Who want to work out why things happen, and how. Whose gods are the public good, not the private pocket….


I agree with you. If you rather study maxims and wills that's great.

But MOST rather watch the hills hence 6 seasons and millions made by the actors.

A show with a professor teaching kantian ethics isn't out there.
 
But MOST rather watch the hills hence 6 seasons

No, most would rather NOT watch The Hills. The ratings were in the 2m average to a spike of about 4m for a couple of episodes, and lowering into the 1.x as it ran out of steam.

MOST people don't even watch The Walking Dead and the S6 opener has close to 18M viewers.

The last Neilson numbers I saw from a few years ago indicated the A18-49 demo is about 1/2 the PERS2+ (over 270M), at around 135M.

That's barely 1% of the target demo, though I'd go double just to weight the lower age range of the A18-49. Maybe the 18-34 demo, and call it 4%? Hardly "most".
 
I agree with you. If you rather study maxims and wills that's great.

But MOST rather watch the hills hence 6 seasons and millions made by the actors.

A show with a professor teaching kantian ethics isn't out there.

How do you fail to realize that it went for six seasons simply because it was making enough money and not because "most people" watched it?
 
No, most would rather NOT watch The Hills. The ratings were in the 2m average to a spike of about 4m for a couple of episodes, and lowering into the 1.x as it ran out of steam.

MOST people don't even watch The Walking Dead and the S6 opener has close to 18M viewers.

The last Neilson numbers I saw from a few years ago indicated the A18-49 demo is about 1/2 the PERS2+ (over 270M), at around 135M.

That's barely 1% of the target demo, though I'd go double just to weight the lower age range of the A18-49. Maybe the 18-34 demo, and call it 4%? Hardly "most".

Do you think a show on where a professor teaches Kantian ethics would more popular than the Hills?

Lol

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How do you fail to realize that it went for six seasons simply because it was making enough money and not because "most people" watched it?

I mean if you rather watch something else flip the channel
 
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