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Does Apple Have a Scott Forstall a problem? [MERGED]
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Not possible yet. Those "old" phones still have 14 months to go on their 2 year contracts.
Michael
Anecdotal is exactly what it is - I see the same thing in reverse with my friends, IOS6 is stale and the iPhone 5 wasn't that impressive, they think of going with the Lumia 920 or HTX One X(+) instead. This just doesn't say anything either about the general trend of things in the industry. Fortunately there's numbers coming out often - like just today:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/02/comscore-iphone-moved-up-to-34-percent-us-share-in-august/
The hardware mess surrounding Android is something I wish Google would do something about, because it breeds a multitude of idiotic skins and pseudo versions that makes it impossible to upgrade - but with a majority of the market share, their incentive doesn't seem to be there. And it should be noted that Gingerbread (largest userbase) isn't the worst of the Android versions also.
I still think one of the Android makers will nail the design/build-quality thing soon and then it will be exciting to see how Apple holds up.
Why is this a valid comparison?
What people seem to forget is not only the different ecosystem Android presents, but that deployments happen in a completely different manner. You don't have to upgrade to the newest version in order to get new features. For instance, the latest version of Google Maps with offline maps are available on Android 2.2 and later. Apple, for no particular reason, bundles their App upgrades in with OS "upgrades". App upgrades aren't OS upgrades, yet new app features, in maps, mail and Safari are both touted by Apple as iOS features. Any particular reason why iOS 5 couldn't get features such as VIP list in Mail? Why offline reading lists in Safari requires iOS 6 (or even sillier, isn't available on iPhone 3GS)?
It's true that many Android users are on older versions of the OS, but they aren't artificially left behind as users of older iOS versions are.
Please. OS upgrades are a negative on Android no matter how you try to spin it.
Apparently that is a sore subject!
Good thing I didn't point out how most currently shipping devices are on older versions.
Michael
Please. OS upgrades are a negative on Android no matter how you try to spin it.
Apparently that is a sore subject!
Good thing I didn't point out how most currently shipping devices are on older versions.
With a broken app store, broken maps, disappearance of youtube and not-ready-for-primetime passbook, iOS6 sucks the big one.
At least Android actually seems to get better each version!!
1.) App store is not broken.
2.) Maps are not as bad in everyday use as they have been made out to be. I have used the app since the very first beta. Consumer Reports, often critical of Apple, seems to agree. And there and now it includes turn-by-turn spoken directions which would not have happened with Google.
3.) YouTube app is better than what "disappeared." Heck using Safari was better.
4.) Totally agree about passbook.
Michael
Speaking of spin - you addressed a IOS6 and Jelly Bean comparison by bringing up Android upgrades. Why not try and argue the subject instead?
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No, now it's just very annoying.
It's broken beyond belief - even Tim Cook thinks so. There's a massive thread on various things wrong with Maps, You should look at that. We got turn-by-turn but lost detail, accuracy and usefulness - worst trade-off ever.
LOTS of complaints about the single-line-of-icons returned from a search. App store functionality has been degraded and makes finding alternate apps more difficult.
That's great if you live in the middle of the desert. If you actually live somewhere civilised (London) then the loss of public transport, accuracy and POIs is a big retrograde step. Did consumer reports even take that into account?
My car has a GPS already... why would I want to stick my phone in the windscreen?
Besides, Tim Cook himself acknowledged that maps sucks, so I'm afraid that the denial boat has sailed...
Not on the iPad it isn't.
Hoorah!
Just to clarify... I'm not an Android user (I have an iPhone and don't particularly want to change)... but I'm not going to defend the richest company in the world when they stop innovating and start cynically screwing their own customers. Time for the real fan to speak out, and not just bend over and take it.
I said the comparison isn't valid, not that it's positive for Android. The point is, being on an older version of Android is less of a deal than being on an older version of iOS (well, personally I'm very happy I'm on iOS 5, but that's because Apple have chosen regression over progress).Please. OS upgrades are a negative on Android no matter how you try to spin it.
Apparently that is a sore subject!
Good thing I didn't point out how most currently shipping devices are on older versions.
Apple insiders say Jobs himself initiated the mapping project, putting mobile software chief Forstall in charge, and he installed a secret team on the third floor of Building 2 on Apples campus to replace Google Maps on the iPhone.
- http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-03/mapping-a-path-out-of-steve-jobs-shadow
Awesome.
While I'm not in favor of firing him, I hope Tim gave him a good talking-to, if you know what I mean.
The likes of Antennagate? Pushaw. Do you remember Google's Maps their launch year? Straight. Up. Horrid.
1. Browse to maps.google.com.
2. Add to Homescreen.
3. ?????
4. Profit!
It isn't even close to as smooth as the app was, and I've found it doesn't scan surrounding areas anywhere as effectively as the app did. I do have it added, but I might as well just use google search in safari at that point.
1. Leave mom's basement once in a while
2. Travel to another country / a big city / somewhere where public transport works and you have need of streetview and transport timetables
3. ?????
4. Profit!
I know it's not as smooth, but the only way Apple's Maps will get better is if we all pitch in and report issues that we find. It's safe to assume Google will eventually release a Maps on the App Store.
Leave mom's basement? That's the best thing you could say?
I would actually consider doing this on occasion if Apple was making their own maps instead of partnering with TomTom/Teleatlas, Yelp, etc. I did report one restaurant that had been torn down a year ago and after a month it's still there on the map. As long as they depend on partners, Apple maps will be third rate in terms of accuracy and completeness. Lets learn from history...
Google Replaces Tele Atlas Data in US with Google StreetView Data (2009)
http://blumenthals.com/blog/2009/10/12/google-replaces-tele-atlas-data-in-us-with-google-data/
Was apple maps lacking direction under Scott Forstall - Not any more......seems its turning the corner now
oh boy, the puns!
Though in all fairness, Jobs was the one who made the maps change decision
Not any more!!!
Really??? I'm pretty sure he was 6 feet under when Apple officially released Apple Maps. They had all the time in the world to rethink their position.
Really though, the writing was on the wall for this guy as soon as Jobs died. I'm proud of Tim Cook for having a set of large stones. Apple hasn't really changed anything in regards to Maps since its official release, with some people saying things haven't improved since its initial beta release. Very poor form.
Really??? I'm pretty sure he was 6 feet under when Apple officially released Apple Maps. They had all the time in the world to rethink their position.
Really though, the writing was on the wall for this guy as soon as Jobs died. I'm proud of Tim Cook for having a set of large stones. Apple hasn't really changed anything in regards to Maps since its official release, with some people saying things haven't improved since its initial beta release. Very poor form.
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