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iOS 6 was just rushed. It's crystal clear what happened. Apple set a date for the phone to be released. The hardware and production was ready. Date set. So now the software has to be finished in time.

iOS 6 needed another month of development. Blame whoever you want, it's just the fact htat the OS wasn't ready. It was a huge update, introducing a whole new map program is a big deal. THere will be bugs. Patches will come and things will get fixed.

Stop acting like this is the end of apple. All this dooms day speak is tiring.
 
iOS 6 didn't seem to be as "ready" as other iOS releases. I think this is a side effect of yearly releases. Hopefully OS X won't see as big of a side effect, but Mountain Lion was a pretty minor release. I like Mountain Lion, though, because it fixed everything I wanted fixed. iOS 6 didn't do that for me.
 
If Cook has a backbone, he'll fire Forstall ASAP. The innovation gap between the hardware and software of the iPhone continues to widen, and it's mostly Forstall's fault.

If Apple approached hardware design in the same manner that Forstall approaches iOS, the iPhone would've been a hand-powered rotary device with an actual hammer and bell for a ringer. Thank you, Forstall, for all of the non-functional archaisms that make iOS a stark contrast from the beautiful hardware it runs on.
 
Like MobileMe ? Like Ping ?

Again folks : Apple probably didn't even know the state of Maps prior to WWDC 2012. Automated testing is the culprit, because it can't find errors only humans can. Apple probably thought their unit tests returning positive results were a good indication that the solution was ready.

Mobile Me and Ping were poor, but far more compete than Maps is. In fact remember when Steve was unveiling iCloud at his final WWDC? He mocked Mobile Me for being so bad.

As I said, I don't buy the the "Steve wouldn't have allowed" comments that pop up every two minutes, but when it comes to Maps I just can't shake the feeling Forstall pulled the wool over Cooks eyes with regards to its readiness.

The WWDC demo was flawless, but only showed the features which worked well, just like the Siri demo the year previous which I am still convinced was set up due to the speed and effectiveness that day.
 
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Just so we're clear, that's how I searched for and got the results shown.
well better than what apple maps shows...lol
 
IMO, Passbook was gimped from the start without NFC.

Yup, gimped is about the gist of it.

I panned ip5 and upgraded to a ip4S because of that. Saved me about $400 in the process.

If 5S still has no NFC, it's gonna be time to jump ship.
Apple's already behind the curve. People here already use NFC on their credit card at supermarkets, etc, so it would be nice to have everything on the phone. It's about time.
Wouldn't be great to go out for a run, or a cycle with just your phone and be able to stop to buy a drink or something to eat. That's convenience.

Passbook just doesn't cut it.

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I think Apple has a problem with Forstall if those are the features he wanted in iOS 6.. it is not enough
 
I make it a drinking game when ever Forstall mentions his kids or cracks a joke that's met with an awkward silence during his section of a keynote :p
 
iOS6 is a Scott Forstall problem in the narrow view, but it's just another in a growing list of symptoms of the larger problem. Apple is leaderless. Yes, there's a guy in the office, sitting at the desk, but he's no leader.

Apple is full of wacky creatives. It used to have Steve Jobs to reel them in. He would say no as often, if not more so, than yes.

Now it seems that no is being said far less often, and yes far too often.

Yes, let's spend a disproportionate amount of time and energy programming funny stuff for Siri to say.

Yes, lets spend a disproportionate amount of time and energy making 3D maps out of leftover Quake II textures that do absolutely nothing to get people where they need to go, instead of concentrating on nailing basic maps.

Yes, let's change things for the sake of changing them.

Yes, let's not add things that people have been clamoring for since the first iPhone.

Yes, let's make it nearly impossible to find what you're looking for on the App Store.

People went on and on about the genius of Steve Jobs. Sure, he had some cool ideas and was a great showman. But the qualities he had that made Apple what it is today, were his borderline personality, his micro managing, his OCD, his ability to badger, berate and belittle, then kiss and make up, and above all, his ability to instill fear into the hearts of his employees, his vendors, his retail partners, everyone who crossed his path. Everyone feared the wrath of Steve.

No one fears the rath of Tim Cook. There is no rath of Tim Cook. Tim Cook is Apple's stepdad.

Vendors don't fear him. That's why the iPhone 5 was so leaky that a fully functioning phone was built from parts leaked by myriad vendors. That's why Goophone patented Apple's own design before they even launched it.

Scott Forstall doesn't fear him. That's why he had either the loudest or the most final say in iOS6. SJ would have shot down the new App Store design in about 3 seconds and Forstall would have run home with his tail between his legs.

Jonny Ive and his design boys are now a loose cannon too. SJ was all about materials. What does Tim Cook know about materials? He knows how much they weigh on a cargo ship. That's about it. Jonny Ive wanted a black metal iPhone. Steve Jobs probably shot it down 50 prototypes ago. But now Jonny gets his way. In the eyes of a nice guy like Tim Cook, Jonny Ive is probably the closest embodiment to what Steve Jobs stood for and the next person after Steve to get the most credit for where Apple is today, so of course he will defer to Jonny's penchant for a black metal phone, especially since he doesn't know anything about materials.

And I've said it many times, Tim Cook's supply-guy tactics of manufacturing far more product than Steve Jobs did is great for short term bottom lines, but bad for the long term status of the cult of desire for Apple products.

Tim Cook made millions of iPad 3s. There were no lines at the stores. No news cameras. No real buzz. Just a **** ton of iPads.

Steve knew that people want what they can't have. He knew how to get people drooling...dangle the iDevice in front of them for a couple of months before releasing worldwide. That may have meant less iDevices sold on launch day, but it also meant a lot more free press and a lot more cult status, which carried over to the next product, and the next.

With Tim driving, the world is blanketed in iProducts all at once. The vendors leak the parts with no repercussions. The lines to buy are smaller. News about bad decisions in the software is louder than the news about the devices themselves. That's ared flag that something is wrong at the top.

Everything you say makes sense and that worries me. Apple is seemingly waning but then I think "Apple wasn't perfect under Jobs and they had issues like anntennagate etc" which gives me some hope. Along with that I also figure that if an intelligent consumer (i'll assume you are, you may not be) can figure all this out then Apple filled with geniuses would too. It's not like Steve wouldn't ever have bad ideas.

This whole post didn't really have much of a point, just me voicing my opinion and me trying to con myself into hoping Apple will be okay
 

In iOS 5, you could easily have multiple devices with 1 main apple account(separate id for just iMessage). In iOS 6, apple assumes you want a message sent to one device to go to all devices associated with that 1 main Apple account. Even with a separate id for each device, you need to go in and "uncheck" the main account. Then you get notifications on your devices on the changes. The logic behind it makes no sense
 
Okay, heres the process we went through to get the Target Coupon passbook on our iPhones last week.

1) Open passbook (which has no passes, but does have a link to download apps)
2) Download Target App
3) Register to Target.com
4) Have app send you a text to verify your identity
5) Click text link to authorize
6) Go back to Target.app to enable mobile coupons
7) Click 'Add to passbook"
8) Go to Target and show passbook barcode to use coupons.


1-6 has nothing to do with Apple and is something you should need to do only once, just like you setup anything anywhere anytime.
 
What functions are missing from its launch preview?

The main function - that it works. Passbook does not because their Maps doesn't know that many POI's, if Passbook doesn't know you are at a cinema or a Starbucks then there is no reaction.
 
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This is coming from a diehard apple fanboy- but in my opinion, iOS 6 is a total failure. It's main feature, "Maps" is a disaster. Its other main feature, "Passbook", isn't even really useable yet. And the rest of the updates are so minor you'd really have to dig deep to find what they were.

The responsibility for this failure is on Scott Forstall. He's heading iOS, and I bet he must be facing a lot of heat (or at least I hope). I love the iPhone 5- it's such a fantastic phone, but I truly feel it's been let down by this update. I wonder what's going on?! Did you guys see him during the iPhone 5 event? He almost looked bored and showed zero enthusiasm- all the while touting maps as the best maps ever, which clearly isn't the case. It's shameful.

In any case, things obviously need some shaking up on the iOS front, and it mostly falls down on Forstall's shoulders.

love maps, using passbook regularly now with lufthansa when travelling.
 
If 5S still has no NFC, it's gonna be time to jump ship.
Apple's already behind the curve. People here already use NFC on their credit card at supermarkets, etc, so it would be nice to have everything on the phone. It's about time.
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Please tell us which stores are using NFC payment systems? doing some research will help...


http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012/09/25/baig-nfc-wireless-technology/1593593/

Oren Betzaleli, an executive vice president at Retalix, an Israeli company that provides software and services for the retail industry, estimates that wide deployment of NFC infrastructure is four to five years away. Some of his customers have no interest in ever deploying the technology. "One of the questions retailers are asking themselves is, how soon will commodity phones get NFC? I think the answer is not very soon," Betzaleli says.

Tech industry analyst Ben Bajarin of Creative Strategies says NFC is "irrelevant" for the masses: "Many common-use cases with NFC can be done with an Internet connection and Wi-Fi," he says. "NFC is still a solution in search of a problem."
 
1-6 has nothing to do with Apple and is something you should need to do only once, just like you setup anything anywhere anytime.

You are missing the point. I think that very few people are going to even do the "only once" part. If so it is very much on Apple: they came up with the scheme.



Michael
 
Frankly, Apple has peaked. There are no other mobile products that could be brought to market. Of course you can change screen sizes, and now, that's why they are doing. The iPad is next. The iPhone 5 proves there's no where else for the physical design to go (besides make it taller and change the color). The iPhone 5 is the ultimate of their design. Of course they can always change the look of it, but I think they've settle on the design of it.

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1-6 has nothing to do with Apple and is something you should need to do only once, just like you setup anything anywhere anytime.

You should have been able to do this right from the Passbook app. You're talking nonsense. Target, Starbucks, etc. could have used your Apple log in to make new accounts. Or the vendors could have been already loaded within the app and then you simply tapped their logo and logged in.

There were soooo many easier way to do this right from the app.
 
This is coming from a diehard apple fanboy- but in my opinion, iOS 6 is a total failure. It's main feature, "Maps" is a disaster. Its other main feature, "Passbook", isn't even really useable yet. And the rest of the updates are so minor you'd really have to dig deep to find what they were.

The responsibility for this failure is on Scott Forstall. He's heading iOS, and I bet he must be facing a lot of heat (or at least I hope). I love the iPhone 5- it's such a fantastic phone, but I truly feel it's been let down by this update. I wonder what's going on?! Did you guys see him during the iPhone 5 event? He almost looked bored and showed zero enthusiasm- all the while touting maps as the best maps ever, which clearly isn't the case. It's shameful.

In any case, things obviously need some shaking up on the iOS front, and it mostly falls down on Forstall's shoulders.

Agreed. And they aren't listening to a single one of us, they don't care. They've sold the phones, they've released the OS versions and they have other products to sell, products that will continue to sell no matter how many of us complain or aren't happy. For every one of us that jumps ship, another will come along and take our place. To make the majority of people who are unhappy, happy, all they need to do is open signing for 5.1.1 again until iOS6 is fixed. But they will not do that, they do not care, they do not value a single one of us. They will force us to stay right where we are and wait for their update to iOS6, whenever that may be, simply because they can. There is a bigger picture at hand, that's why they won't let us downgrade and keep us happy.
 
Please tell us which stores are using NFC payment systems? doing some research will help...

The person to whom you are responding is, I'm guessing from his use of the word 'supermarket', living in the UK. When discussing NFC, people have to realise that the iPhone is sold around the world. Many European countries, and Japan and South Korea, use NFC far more extensively.
 
Every feature of google now and jellybean has been on iOS for a long time so it's not like google is innovating either
 
The person to whom you are responding is, I'm guessing from his use of the word 'supermarket', living in the UK. When discussing NFC, people have to realise that the iPhone is sold around the world. Many European countries, and Japan and South Korea, use NFC far more extensively.

Funny that supermarket seemed common where I grew up in New York. But here out west if I say that some people don't know what I mean. So I have to force myself to use "grocery store."

But they could be from NY too! :)



Michael
 
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