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Does Apple have any way of confirming university student status?
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Why?...because you aren't giving the dude ANY slack and your personal attack vibe is massively judgemental, arrogant and holier than thou. You are offensively condescending. THAT's WHY.
If the person just graduated, *I* think he's/she's entitled to explore their options without being drawn and quartered by you. You *could* have made your point in a respectful manner. You didn't.
Just curious...can you honestly say you do not own one single mp3 you haven't paid for? Not one single app you haven't paid for? Never have downloaded a movie? If so, cool. If not, ****.
See?...it doesn't feel so good to have someone unload on *you* with an attacking, judgemental attitude...does it?
If you buy using a student discount in store, how does it work? Do you say "I want to use the discount" and present a student ID card?
When buying a computer with the discount applied... do you sign an agreement (electronically or otherwise) that describes eligibility for the student discount and states that you affirm that you qualify? Does the contract say that you will agree to provide necessary documentation after the sale if requested? Does the contract say that Apple has the right to charge your credit card or send you a bill?
If not, I don't see any fraud.
When buying a computer with the discount applied... do you sign an agreement (electronically or otherwise) that describes eligibility for the student discount and states that you affirm that you qualify? Does the contract say that you will agree to provide necessary documentation after the sale if requested? Does the contract say that Apple has the right to charge your credit card or send you a bill?
If not, I don't see any fraud.
If Apple comes after you (which they won't) like one of the over-zealous posters said earlier... just counter-sue for discrimination against non-college-going folk. I'm sure you could make a pretty strong case in court that they are favoring 'rich kids who go to college' while making those 'working class blue-collar people' pay a non-elitist premium! Those ba*tards...
That'll show 'em!
That's a fantastic idea! Haha, if I was one of those rich kids, I'd be going to grad school in the fall anyway!
I just called the Apple Store at The Grove in LA. They said "no issue whatsoever" for someone who recently graduated to get the Student discount/promotion.
*I* graduated in January...and he said, "that's pushing it, but should be ok".
So...APPLE SAYS...**YOU** ARE WRONG! I guess Apple is devoid of ethics in your opinion.
You and Robbie should PM each other. If both of you are single...maybe you can hook up! Finding someone with your superior ethical standards can be quite challenging these days.
Seriously, the OP deserves an apology from some of you.
Thanks for the sentiment, but it's not necessary. I've been around my share of forums and the like. And thanks again for the backup.
I've purchased 3 computers through apple.com... all of which were through the education store... none of which were questioned or required proof at all by Apple.
What I said wasn't in any way attacking non-traditional students, I didn't even think anyone would interpret it that way. It was a quick example to say that it wasn't the case he had been out of school for 10 years.
And yes not everyone in school is in their 20s, but a large majority are. I've been in classes with people in their 40s and 50s. So if I said that 'it's not like it's some guy in his 60s trying to cheat the system', would some 67 year old who recreationally takes college courses hop on the forum and and blast me because he was in school? Would you have rather I created this table to illustrate my point so I didn't accidently offend someone?
Age of Graduation Age of Purchase
22 32 Fraud
32 42 Fraud
42 52 Fraud
52 62 Fraud
Gimme a break.
And what's the deal with 'kiddo'? I'm not some punk playing frisbee at a community college (not knocking them either, I went to one for a year) killing time because my parents told me to go to school or get a job. I'm serious about my studies, take certification exams, and am currently interning at one of the top 3 insurance companies in the entire country. So check the disrespectful terms please.
BTW, read the rest of the post in the thread. People have received confirmation from Apple that it is OK for someone in his situation to use the discount. You're interpretation of abuse/fraud may be different, but according to Apple, you're wrong.
How about going with a friend who is a student...problem solved...or just ask at the store if you could still get it explaining you just graduated and show them your ID...they probably won't have a problem with it since you just happened to graduate.
Just for the record I plan on getting it through the online store because it'll be customizable and the closest Apple store is 1.5 hours away
I bought a MacPro from the apple store a few months ago with the student discount and never had to submit a student ID. All I did is choose my school from a list.
If my mom and younger sister were to use my student ID without me there, would they take it?
I'm in my second year of University, but I'm out of town at the moment, and will be for the rest of summer, so I'm unable to go with them.
I'm in my second year of University, but I'm out of town at the moment, and will be for the rest of summer, so I'm unable to go with them.
I got an e-mail from Apple UK last week - sort of confirms what robbieduncan has been saying. Presumably I received it because I bought a MacBook last October for my son who is a student. He does not graduate for 2 years so no doubt I will get another next year too.
Your educational discount expires when you graduate it would appear.
Let's me honest--it doesn't stop you from whipping your student ID a few years after you graduate!
What months is the academic year? I bought a MBP in February using my student discount, how long until I can buy another notebook using the education discount again? I know it's limited to one notebook per academic year, so is it from august to july or from september or when exactly?
I think with the whole "one computer with the student discount a year" thing they have no way to check that. They just look at your ID in the store, they don't actually put anything from it in the computer. In the same school year I purchased a MBP, an iMac, and two MBs all with the student discount. The MBP and the MBs were purchased at the same store, and the iMac at the online Apple store. I don't agree with using the student discount if you are not a student, but I don't agree with the limiting it to one a year. The MBP and the iMac were for me, and the two MBs I purchased as gifts. I was paying for them, so why should I not be able to use my discount.
If you think that attempted fraud is "worth at least a try..."
Just in case you are not understanding this: If you lie to get a Mac at a price that you wouldn't get it at if you said the truth, you are committing fraud. Which may be a worse crime than going to an Apple Store, grabbing a MacBook and running away.
This thread has reached the tipping point - there are questions being posed and comments being made to which answers and information are already available in prior posts and links in those posts...
I should just tell y'all to check through the past posts, but in sum:
-academic year = when school starts till when school ends (aug-jun)
-apple is not super strict about the rules, if you are a recent graduate, if you start school in the fall, basically it would appear you can purchase at the academic price as long as you were a student during that academic year
-they do sometimes audit- i (personally) have had to fax proof of student status
-if they audit you and find that you've misled them re: student status, they can bill you for the difference.
-i'm not even going to address the small group who are overreacting and calling this flexibility an example of criminal fraud - apple has made it clear that their rules are guidelines and not statutes, and that they while they reserve the right to bill you for the difference, this appears to be more a matter of "we want you to buy a computer" than "this is a rule that will be strictly enforced no matter what".
that said - with the ipod promo? i bet they check a bit more carefully.
I should just tell y'all to check through the past posts, but in sum:
-academic year = when school starts till when school ends (aug-jun)
-apple is not super strict about the rules, if you are a recent graduate, if you start school in the fall, basically it would appear you can purchase at the academic price as long as you were a student during that academic year
-they do sometimes audit- i (personally) have had to fax proof of student status
-if they audit you and find that you've misled them re: student status, they can bill you for the difference.
-i'm not even going to address the small group who are overreacting and calling this flexibility an example of criminal fraud - apple has made it clear that their rules are guidelines and not statutes, and that they while they reserve the right to bill you for the difference, this appears to be more a matter of "we want you to buy a computer" than "this is a rule that will be strictly enforced no matter what".
that said - with the ipod promo? i bet they check a bit more carefully.
Do you know that for a fact, or are you just speculating? Because I would be very surprised if that conduct were criminal.