Does iPhone do these things yet?

[Small White Car]

no it does not, see my posts 2 iPhones, one with antenna issue, one without tested in exactly the same spots....

Then how do you explain the fact that my phone does that at home but not at the mall?

Clearly location does matter. I never said location was the ONLY factor. Just that it was one. I don't see how you can argue that where you are makes no difference.

 

[shandyman]

Then how do you explain the fact that my phone does that at home but not at the mall?

Clearly location does matter. I never said location was the ONLY factor. Just that it was one. I don't see how you can argue that where you are makes no difference.

location only factors into the signal strength, the death grip is the issue, in full signal area, we could make it drop a couple of bars, it won't drop a call, but still drops the signal. thats the issue. if it's purely location making it drop calls ,then i could go to the artic or somewhere and claim the phone has signal issues.... lol

the problem is hardware, not location. neighbours flawed iPhone 4 could lose coupla bars of signal with death grip, mine couldn't only time his didn't drop was when we were practically next to a transmitter

 

[Small White Car]

location only factors into the signal strength, the death grip is the issue, in full signal area, we could make it drop a couple of bars, it won't drop a call, but still drops the signal. thats the issue. if it's purely location making it drop calls ,then i could go to the artic or somewhere and claim the phone has signal issues.... lol

My iPhone 3G could make phone calls at home. My i4 often can't.

That's what I'm trying to do...compare the past and the present situation. I think that's useful information for people. (Certainly since those people started a thread asking about it.)

If you think that comparing the UK to Antarctica is useful to the OP, well, fine. I'll let the OP be the judge of what's useful information or not.

EDIT:

...if it's purely location making it drop calls...

Then it's a good thing I specifically said "I never said location was the ONLY factor," isn't it?

 

[shandyman]

My iPhone 3G could make phone calls at home. My i4 often can't.

That's what I'm trying to do...compare the past and the present situation. I think that's useful information for people. (Certainly since those people started a thread asking about it.)

If you think that comparing the UK to Antarctica is useful to the OP, well, fine. I'll let the OP be the judge of what's useful information or not.

so my comparison of a launch iPhone 4 and my one which was a month later, testing both in the exact same spots to replicate the issue and my one doesn't have the issue not a fair comparison? therefore where you are makes no difference, so it's not even a factor at all.

my comparing to antartica was just pointing out your absurdity that its just down to location. it's a PHYSICAL issue with the device. the only use that is is if you have a defective one. like i said, everyone else i know (all 20 of them) don't have the death grip issue with their iPhone 4's. its just down to extreme bad luck if you pick up one now with the flaw as it seems its pretty much just ones that were manufactured early in the cycle. I would say that that is useful info...

 

[Small White Car]

my comparing to antartica was just pointing out your absurdity that its just down to location.

I've said that location is not the only issue 2 or 3 times now.

You keep telling me that location is not the only issue. To me those sound like the same thing.

I guess we should stop now since we just seem to be going in circles.

 

[shandyman]

I've said that location is not the only issue 2 or 3 times now.

You keep telling me that location is not the only issue. To me those sound like the same thing.

I guess we should stop now since we just seem to be going in circles.

yea we should stop since you seem to not have any common sense at all or just don't read what i have said. i said location is not an issue as a flawed one can drop a bar or 2 with death grip anywhere, it only drops calls where there is not a great signal to begin with and it seems to not drop any bars when close to a mobile transmitter tower. but if you can't understand that, then thats fair enough....

 

[Small White Car]

yea we should stop since you seem to not have any common sense at all

Well since you keep AGREEING with me I'm not sure why you'd say that.

You're saying the exact same things I am, then telling me I'm wrong. You seem to be the only one arguing here!

Your last post sums up my own point pretty well.

 

[bender o]

4.1 doesn't fix the proximity sensor problem, I've had like 3 out of 4 calls calls hanged up when I put my iPhone on my shoulder and press it against my cheek, wich didn't happen with my 3G but hey it's not that big of a deal really

 

[shandyman]

Well since you keep AGREEING with me I'm not sure why you'd say that.

You're saying the exact same things I am, then telling me I'm wrong. You seem to be the only one arguing here!

Your last post sums up my own point pretty well.

lol i'm not agreeing with you, i'm disproving your point. if location is a factor, how come mine was fine? as i have clearly said, location has no effect, as a flawed one will drop signal everywhere if you do the death grip unless you're close to a tower where it's such a strong signal death grip wouldn't have a noticeable effect. i've made that clear point numerous times and you seem to ignore it.

 

[Pink∆Floyd]

It's not even worth getting into a discussion about this. Ignorance is bliss - and if you feel that there was never an issue - fine. But once you start questioning people's rationality over the matter - you just look ignorant.

Define ignorant if you will sir

 

[stuffradio]

3. There never was an antenna issue. People complained that if one gripped the phone with their left hand tightly, around the black line, which is the antenna area, then it will drop signal...duh

You tell me, does this sound like an issue, or people just not being rational?

I carry my iPhone 4 without a case, and have never dropped a call, even though I get about 1-2 bars

4. It is fixed, don't worry.

P.S.
don't let people's overreaction to the iPhone 4 get to you.
Do your own research, visit an Apple Store and see for yourself if the phone has the issues or not.

No, I lightly touched the left side of the iPhone and it happened. It never really dropped calls much, but it did drop antenna connections. I have a free case and it doesn't do it. Is that rational enough for you, or are you going to call me a fandroid for telling the truth about it?

@bender_o I have never had the proximity sensor problem.

 

[samcraig]

Define ignorant if you will sir

Ignorant and lazy? Or maybe you're asking which definition I am using as if I mean it as a slur? No. I mean it as it is defined:

1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact
3. uninformed; unaware.

With your statement - it is clear you are ignorant on the subject. Furthermore - if you think someone who has knowledge more than you is not rational - then you are without a doubt ignorant on the subject - and rude.

 

[Pez555]

just going to chip in here,

when i have full signal, i cant get the deathgrip issue to work - i cup the area and it stays at full signal.

when i am at 3 bars, the signal drops.

so yes, it does depend on location for me.

 

[PeopleTheseDays]

1. No.

2. No.

3.I don't understand why everyone is calling it a "death grip" and covering up the 'non-issue' of how people hold it.

You DON'T have to tightly grip the phone on the lower left corner with a hand like Andre the Giants to make the signal go down.

An average person, cupping the hand in a not-out-of-the-ordinary position in their left hand will cause problems. If you're holding the phone in your hand to browse the internet slightly touching the area and you'll lose signal. The problem really manifests itself in low AT&T signal areas, most of the people that are apple apologists/evangelists or refuse to acknowledge a problem are just that, apple apologists, or live in an area of good signal strength. Real thing to take from this is that signal will drop, but in order to drop enough to lose a call, depends on area like others have said. Just because you don't drop calls, doesn't mean the antenna is fine.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3908/motorola-droid-2-review-rebooting-the-droid/5 <- Signal attenuation chart.

"Cupping tightly" is what people are referring to be the 'death-grip' that almost nobody holds their phone like that, except for those videos apple made to debunk the other phones. The ones where they did get Andre the Giant to hold the phones. 'Holding naturally' just normally touches the antenna area, its right in your left palm area underneath your thumb.

The facts speak for itself. Honestly, I don't know what the big deal about acknowledging the antenna being a problem on the phone is for some people; why do people have to cover this problem up because they HAPPEN to not experience it and want to bury it from their mind. Again, facts speak for itself.

4. 4.1 is supposed to have fixed the issues, but some people are still experiencing.

Still a nice phone, though this wasn't the best first iphone experience, because I was tired of carrying around an ipod + cellphone.

 

[darbyclash34]

I saw that NEW SMS tones were coming in 4.2, but I didn't see anywhere that they were per contact assignable. Source? Not that I'm sweating it, I haven't heard a tone from my phone in a year. It lives a very silenced life.

Not trying to wade into the antenna issues, just my experience with the phone. My 3G and then 3GS used to drop the call in one spot in my backyard, every time. Like, 100%, totally reproducible. My iPhone 4 I got Friday doesn't do it! The audio got a little garbled during one of my trial runs, but the call held. For that matter, I haven't had a dropped call since I got it.

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

Let's wait and see if the iPhone 5 has a new redesign.

They didn't create the bumper "solution" at launch just because they thought they looked cool.

the bumpers were not created at launch....they were mentioned during the keynote by Job's himself....

 

[scaredpoet]

I guess I should have known better than to expect rational answers around here.

If that's how you feel, then let's give you the answer you want to hear: No, it's not "fixed" yet and will never be. Go buy another phone.

 

[Pink∆Floyd]

Ignorant and lazy? Or maybe you're asking which definition I am using as if I mean it as a slur? No. I mean it as it is defined:

1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact
3. uninformed; unaware.

With your statement - it is clear you are ignorant on the subject. Furthermore - if you think someone who has knowledge more than you is not rational - then you are without a doubt ignorant on the subject - and rude.

Well excuse me for being rude on an internet forum...
And no, I don't fit the description of your definition of ignorant, good day to you!

 

[samcraig]

Well excuse me for being rude on an internet forum...
And no, I don't fit the description of your definition of ignorant, good day to you!

Based on your ill-informed or ill-concieved original post, I beg to differ. But have a great day nonetheless.

 

[Small White Car]

as i have clearly said, location has no effect

Well, that's pretty clear. I guess that's that.

unless you're close to a tower where it's such a strong signal death grip wouldn't have a noticeable effect

Oh. Ok. So location has no effect...unless where you are makes a difference.

Silly me...I considered "where I am" to be "location" but I guess they're totally different things? That was my problem.

 

[fenderbass146]

1. No

2. Not yet

3. There never was an antenna issue. People complained that if one gripped the phone with their left hand tightly, around the black line, which is the antenna area, then it will drop signal...duh

You tell me, does this sound like an issue, or people just not being rational?

I carry my iPhone 4 without a case, and have never dropped a call, even though I get about 1-2 bars

4. It is fixed, don't worry.

P.S.
don't let people's overreaction to the iPhone 4 get to you.
Do your own research, visit an Apple Store and see for yourself if the phone has the issues or not.

I agree the antenna problem if overblow, but still it is a problem. My 3gs in the same area was perfect never a droppped call. As soon as i got my iphone 4 before the whole whoppla over antennagate, I relized there was an issue. Anyone who denies there is a problem is a ignorant apple fanboy

 

[Darth.Titan]

I saw that NEW SMS tones were coming in 4.2, but I didn't see anywhere that they were per contact assignable. Source? Not that I'm sweating it, I haven't heard a tone from my phone in a year. It lives a very silenced life.

I'll be your source then. I'm running 4.2 on my iPhone 4 and:

• Yes, there are quite a few new SMS tones, and
• Yes, you can set individual contacts with their own SMS tones

 

[bstpierre]

For the last time: It depends on where you are.

Taken this morning with 4.1 installed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgY239padfA&fmt=22

Using a single finger:
3 bars of 3G to zero 3G in 16 seconds.
Then 1 bar of EDGE to 0 bars of EDGE in 18 seconds.

So no, you don't have to squeeze it. You clearly live in an area with better signal. Telling people that there's good signal like yours everywhere doesn't help anyone. You don't know where the OP lives.

That said, OP, any phone case fixes this if you have the problem. Also, you might not live in an area like this! My house and my work are the only places this happens. Everywhere else around town it's fine. So it REALLY depends on where you live.

It also depends on the conductivity of the user.

 

[shandyman]

just going to chip in here,

when i have full signal, i cant get the deathgrip issue to work - i cup the area and it stays at full signal.

when i am at 3 bars, the signal drops.

so yes, it does depend on location for me.

like i said, if you're somewhere with a strong signal, then death grip won't visibly affect the bars, but if you use field test mode, you'd see that it is dropping.

 

[shandyman]

Well, that's pretty clear. I guess that's that.



Oh. Ok. So location has no effect...unless where you are makes a difference.

Silly me...I considered "where I am" to be "location" but I guess they're totally different things? That was my problem.

you miss my point, where you are doesn't matter, you're still dropping signal. just in an area with very strong signal it's not visible on the limited display on the iPhone , but if you go into field test mode, you'd see the drop, it drops EVERYWHERE with death grip, ergo location is not a factor, that's like saying having it turned on is a factor....