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Does it make sense to have a "Retina MacBook Pro" sub forum?

I really hope they continue on with the user-serviceable versions of the MBP. The Retina is awesome, but it's like a $2200 iPad. Completely locked up. It will be difficult for me to buy a laptop like that, I hope my mid 2012 MBP lasts 3-4 years without becoming too obsolete for gaming.
 
Lynn Belvedere said:
cMBP users have to make their way through 95 threads about retina this and retina that when none of it applies to the cMBP.

The Macbook Air and the cMBP have more in common than the cMBP and the retina do, so why does the Air have it's own section, but the retina does not?

Come on mods. Let's get this done.
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This is how Apple defined their products: MacBook Pro with Retina Display is a kind of MacBook Pro. So a sub forum for rMBP would be nice instead of a totally separate forum.

(I think Apple will kill the cMBP some time in the future.)
 
Can we get a separate section for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display?

I feel like the difference between the cMBP and the rMBP is just about as wide as the difference between the regular consumer and the real prosumer in terms of full extent of usage. Since that difference can be vast when it comes to technical questions, performance issues, general question and discussion, then there should in fact be a different forum for the Macbook Pro with retina Display.
 
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What many people may not realize is offering the retina model along with the conventional model is only a short term test to see where the demand lies.

Apple is known for their extreme control over customers. For their ability to whip them into a frenzy over a feature like retina. All one has to do is read the posts "once you go retina there's no going back". It's this mentality that reveal the grip Apple has over their worshipers.

Therefore many buy into the "must have" mentality & buy the retina no matter the price. Now that what Apple wanted is happening (the majority are buying retina) Apple will silently remove the conventional models.

It's a well established practice of Apples. You'll notice that the cMBP's are the last of the consumer upgradeable laptops. iPhones, iPads, they're all sealed for all intents & purposes.
 
ixodes said:
What many people may not realize is offering the retina model along with the conventional model is only a short term test to see where the demand lies.

Apple is known for their extreme control over customers. For their ability to whip them into a frenzy over a feature like retina. All one has to do is read the posts "once you go retina there's no going back". It's this mentality that reveal the grip Apple has over their worshipers.

Therefore many buy into the "must have" mentality & buy the retina no matter the price. Now that what Apple wanted is happening (the majority are buying retina) Apple will silently remove the conventional models.
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Just like when the Aluminum MacBook was offered along the plastic MacBook... we all know the fate the MacBook had.
 
Post and thread content is vastly different than with the classic MBP, as are any questions, stories, or any other information contained in the posts mentioning or dealing with the Retina MBP. Just as the discontinued MacBook line has its own thread, despite it sharing a screen size and several features with the MacBook Air with the exception of a slimmer form factor and no CD drive (why does that sound so familiar????), I think the Retina MacBook should, regardless of whether it will be just becom the regular MacBook Pro if and when the classic one gets the ax.

If you disagree upon the existence of threads for the cMBP and rMBP, then honestly there shouldn't be separate threads for the MacBook and MBA...

Honestly, it makes it a lot harder for people to gt to content that they're actually interested in or that actually pertains to them, they cnstatly have to be scrolling through a bunch of bullcrap they dont care about to get to the few cMBP posts that are being made, so splitting it up would undo the sudden flurry of rMBP posts and questions that have overridden what used to be discussions for the Classic MacBook Pro.

can we get a separate section for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display, for the love of
 
This probably isn't going to contribute much to the discussion, but I'm kind of sick reading the threads where regular MBP users and MBP retina users argue over the same topics regarding their systems. It seems that many of the topics I read evolve into flame wars regarding the two. It would be nice to see a sub forum for it.
 
We've been discussing the feedback in this thread and the different options for possible changes, but at this point we've decided that there won't be a separate rMBP sub-forum.

We've always lumped together the different models of a model line, even though different models have different characteristics (e.g., 13" vs. 15" vs. 17", SSD vs. hard drive, older process vs. newer processor, Mini Display Port vs. Thunderbolt, etc.). The Retina MacBook Pro is the latest model in its line.

We encourage users to put words like cMBP and rMBP in thread titles when they are starting a model-specific discussion. As always, it's a good idea to make thread titles specific and descriptive. That's the best way to help other users spot the threads they are interested in and skip the threads they are not interested in.
 
annk said:
We've been discussing the feedback in this thread and the different options for possible changes, but at this point we've decided that there won't be a separate rMBP sub-forum.

We've always lumped together the different models of a model line, even though different models have different characteristics (e.g., 13" vs. 15" vs. 17", SSD vs. hard drive, older process vs. newer processor, Mini Display Port vs. Thunderbolt, etc.). The Retina MacBook Pro is the latest model in its line.

We encourage users to put words like cMBP and rMBP in thread titles when they are starting a model-specific discussion. As always, it's a good idea to make thread titles specific and descriptive. That's the best way to help other users spot the threads they are interested in and skip the threads they are not interested in.
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As long as you mods are adequately prepared for the logical influx of flaming and don't mind making general navigation more clunky for newer and/or less tech savvy users. There are a great number of differences between the regular Pro and the Retina.

Classic will have questions about optical drive, RAM upgrade, and drive replacement or repair. Dual drive setups, SSD models, anti glare vs glossy. People will ask questions about which size to get. Some may need to use the Apple Remote or other accessories. Retina shoppers don't and can't care about any of these.

Retina will have questions about the display and weight vs regular Pro. But primarily the display. All of these display related questions are meaningless to the people who don't want or care about Retina.

I think the site administration has truly lost sight of the intended purpose of the forums, which is to make information easy to get to. It boggles my mind that City Data can do creative sub forums yet MacRumors will not.
 
revelated said:
There are a great number of differences between the regular Pro and the Retina.
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Similar arguments can be made between the 15" cMBP and the 13" MBP, i.e., matte display vs. smaller screen of the 13". Hi res option on the cMBP. integrated gpu vs. discrete, etc.

Retina will have questions about the display and weight vs regular Pro. But primarily the display. All of these display related questions are meaningless to the people who don't want or care about Retina.
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So you're trying to justify the creation of a new subforum because one particular MacBook Pro model will generate threads regarding the screen? If people don't care about a given topic, they generally just scroll by that thread.

I think the site administration has truly lost sight of the intended purpose of the forums, which is to make information easy to get to. It boggles my mind that City Data can do creative sub forums yet MacRumors will not.
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The organization of MacRumors is done to maximize the visibility of the threads, generate discussions and help members with problems and buying solutions. I don't see creating a multitude of subforms achieving this. Where would we stop then, if we split out the retina MBP to its own sub forum. Does the retina based iPad get split out to its own subform, likewise the iPhone 4s with siri have its own sub forum?

As with life, the structure of MacRumors is balancing act, the forum structure is efficient for management of the site but also conducive to discussion. Given the high volume of posts and threads we manage the latter, and with the limited number of mods/admins managing the environment I hope we can also state that we're successful with the former as well.
 
When I started this thread some 6 weeks ago, all I was hoping for was some discussion and thought put into the idea of a separate sub-forum.

I'm OK with the result. I never thought it absolutely needed a sub-forum, which is why the thread is titled the way it is...
 
maflynn said:
So you're trying to justify the creation of a new subforum because one particular MacBook Pro model will generate threads regarding the screen? If people don't care about a given topic, they generally just scroll by that thread.
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This is the limited vision I'm talking about. In your world "they can just scroll past it". How about stopping to say, "why should we compel users to fish through hundreds of irrelevant threads to find one that is classic Pro related?"

You CAN build the boards such that the MacBook Pro board is as it is, but a user can select to go into a Retina "sub area" where the questions are specific to that. You give BOTH options. Rather than forcing classic users to filter through tons of "is the display that bad?" posts.

You also are not properly considering when someone posts about the classic and finds their thread shoved to page 5 within an hour because of tons of "how does Adobe CS look on the Retina?" posts.

Again, whatever. I'm sharing feedback that I find your decision short-sighted and frankly, adding a subforum hurts nobody and helps quite a few. But whatever.
 
Can the rMBP threads be moved to their own forum

I thought way back when this deluge of Retina MBP stuff started to take over this forum that there was comments and I thought a tread about it. What ever became of that idea from the heads of the forum?

Can an index like this be created?

Notebooks
MacBook
MacBook Pro
MacBook Air
MacBook Pro Retina


It just seems like it would be alot cleaner and free up the MacBook Pro forum with threads that don't pertain to the original MacBook Pro. However in the world we live in now, probably just by me proposing this idea makes me a jerk or something.

But then again, maybe people looking for threads about the original MacBook Pro don't mind clicking on the thread to see that the dialogue is about the Retina model, something they don't own
 
GGJstudios said:
This has already been discussed and decided:

Does it make sense to have a "Retina MacBook Pro" sub forum?
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Thanks for directing me to this tread. Not sure it makes sense given that the original Mac Book Pro can be upgraded, has different fans, system components, etc.... but then again, this is not my forum and I am a guest, I will respect the decision the host has already made.

Moderators: Please feel free to delete this thread
 
ixodes said:
What many people may not realize is offering the retina model along with the conventional model is only a short term test to see where the demand lies.

Apple is known for their extreme control over customers. For their ability to whip them into a frenzy over a feature like retina. All one has to do is read the posts "once you go retina there's no going back". It's this mentality that reveal the grip Apple has over their worshipers.

Therefore many buy into the "must have" mentality & buy the retina no matter the price. Now that what Apple wanted is happening (the majority are buying retina) Apple will silently remove the conventional models.

It's a well established practice of Apples. You'll notice that the cMBP's are the last of the consumer upgradeable laptops. iPhones, iPads, they're all sealed for all intents & purposes.
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I have to agree with you, if you see the price tag on the cMBP ou find that are almost identical so yes they want you to go for the retina model.
 
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