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Doesn't Apple make a Consumer & PRO laptop?
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LOL they would have had to use DESKTOP class ram to add more. Then you would be whining about battery life. Yell at Intel. Do some research in between your crying.
To put in a nutshell why everyone is so disappointed, is that they already had a laptop that was 4.5 lb that had some limitations performance wise in the last generation, and what Apple did was take a small laptop and make it half a pound lighter while continuing to make it severely performance limited. The fact that they thought shrinking it by half a pound was more important than significantly more performance is absolutely insulting and laughable.
Guys, just realize, the MBP doesn't even have a mid range graphics card in it. SERIOUSLY. The strongest GPU you can get in the MBP is roughly equivalent to the weakest nVidia 10 series card. There are laptops out there almost identical to the previous MBP form factor (4.5 lb, .7" thick) that have GTX 1060's in them, and those are 2.5x more powerful than the strongest thing you can get in the MBP.
Seriously, how is .5 lb and .1" thick in thickness worth giving up all of that extra performance? It's baffling.
Guys, just realize, the MBP doesn't even have a mid range graphics card in it. SERIOUSLY. The strongest GPU you can get in the MBP is roughly equivalent to the weakest nVidia 10 series card. There are laptops out there almost identical to the previous MBP form factor (4.5 lb, .7" thick) that have GTX 1060's in them, and those are 2.5x more powerful than the strongest thing you can get in the MBP.
Seriously, how is .5 lb and .1" thick in thickness worth giving up all of that extra performance? It's baffling.
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So it seems to me like the pro laptop that you want is a fully specked out lenovo. So why not get a Lenovo with a xenon processor and 64 + gig memory and just deal with whatever horribly compromised form factor that kind of design creates? Why F* around if you are a real pro? Like that should be the ultimate "pro" machine right? Like what is more "Pro" than that? I know because that's the actual crap they try and push on me at work. The truth is unfortunately that "real pro" laptops actually kind of suck. To be honest that's what I've been putting up with at work for the last 10+ years. Not really interested in continuing that pattern to be honest. I'd personally rather have a good latptop than a wannabe laptop trying to be a good desktop machine.
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The thing is, nobody is complaining because Apple didn't make a 8 lb fully specced out laptop. They are complaining because there Apple doesn't even both to attempt to balance performance and portability for a "professional" laptop. Instead, they make it excessively thin and therefor make it weaker to fit the excessively thin design.
The could have kept the same sizing as the last gen MBP which was already very thing and gotten significantly more performance from certain components. Alas, they decided that they would use the MBP to replace the Macbook Air.
Again why not get a fully specked out Lenovo if that is what you are looking for? If you want a 64 gig RAM with a xenon processor your choice is obvious. Drag around one or those things for a while if you want desktop performance in a laptop. I don't think Apple ever seriously tried to compete with those laptops with good reason at that point you should be buying a desktop.
Again, you are missing the point. The point being Apple could have had a 4.5 lb, .7" thick laptop with drastically better performance. Instead, they gimped the performance in some aspects so they could make it only 4 lb and .6" thick.
I guess a mostly imperceptible size decrease for a very perceptible performance decrease makes sense to you. It doesn't for me and many people on this forum.
What are talking about ? My 2013 PC laptop has 32 gb ram.....laptop ram.
The battery life excuse is just BS.
So I guess I disagree. They aren't trying to compete with desktop level hardware. Apple is trying to make a great laptop. I'd rather have them try and make a great laptop (fast IO, great screen, small form factor, great battery life) than actually try and compete with actual pro desktop machines. If they want to compete with pro desktop machines they should update their pro level desktop machine. The truth is that no laptop is going to compete with a real pro desktop so to even try is just going to create a crappier laptop that still can't compete with desktop machines and would probably be a crappy laptop as well. So why not let desktop machines be desktop machines and appreciate a great laptop that maximizes everytihng you would want out of a laptop?
13" 2010 with 4 GB chugging along, but it is definitely slow when starting an app -- could be 15-20 bounces, sometimes more, when I fire up an app first time after boot.
I cannot imagine one of the new ones lasting 6+ years with acceptable performance.
Again, I'm not saying Apple should be making a laptop that rivals a powerful desktop.
I like you want Apple to make a great laptop. With that being said, a laptop that was .5 lb heavier and .1" thicker with 2.5x as much graphics performance qualifies as a GREAT laptop. There is nothing great about making a laptop imperceptibly lighter and smaller while also gimping it's performance.
But you are really saying that apple should just pack more stuff in their existing form factor. The whole reason that mac laptops are what they are is that they didn't fall for that they tried to be great laptops. They are really fighting against windows pc's trying to pack more crap into the same form factor. Like my lenovo work computer is a great stat computer. The thing has processing power, RAM, the kind of battery that is probably heavier than the entire macbook pro. It literally has the stats that people are salvating over. Those computers suck though.They are horrible to lug around. For Apple to have 32GB ram they would have had to use desktop class ram. Which would have been literally hauling around a lenovo type laptop. You really think Apple is going to release a laptop with DDR4 desktop memory? Because that's literally the only way you get 32 GB RAM with the current processors. IMO that would be a horrible design decision for a laptop
What graphics card and laptop are we talking about? 0.5 pound will not magically make the graphics performance 2.5x faster. And don't say razer blade as that has less than 5-6 hour web browser battery life.
The new MacBook Pro (non touchbar)has been tested at > 12 hours
If u upgrade the ram to 8gb and put a SSD in your machine, you will notice a huge improvement for a no a lot of $$$
Just did that last month to my wife laptop, which is the same as yours... huge improvement.....
Razor Blade. I'll say that because if want a laptop that can browse the internet for 10 hours then you should get a macbook, it will be perfect for that application. It's sad that people these days want to gimp a "professional" computer on performance in "professional" software so it can surf the internet for 10 hours instead of 6, when there are already cheaper, thinner, and lighter mac laptops that can do that just fine.
My laptop isn't due for an upgrade, but I'm looking at pcs if apple isn't building performance laptops anymore. I'm looking at alienware, thinkpad p-series, dell z840, or just building a pc tower. Apple seems unreliable if you need updated computers for your work. Apple is falling apart without steve jobs, he would have thrown a temper tantrum until they used the best laptop cpu and added a 32gb option. Unless apple adds some performance macs soon, I'm out. I will spend a lot of money on a computer and have been a loyal apple customer, it seems really disloyal and stupid to abandon us.
Why does everyone think that Apple "used" to offer high end graphics in their laptops? They never have. Windows have always been where you need to go if you want actual bleeding edge tech.
With that said, there is definitely a price you pay for getting a Windows laptop. The higher specs are great, but the build quality of most these manufacturers is awful compared to Apple. My girlfriend and I both have Windows laptops, one Lenovo and one HP, and the MBP's build quality is far superior is just about every way, even accounting for the new keyboard.
Apple has never made a laptop with such low battery life and never will. If you are waiting for such a machine .. it will never happen. Just get the razer and be happy.
Btw it is not 6hr vs 10 hrs. Laptopmag tested 5:42 vs 12:21, so well over double the battery life
Eh, I'd say that's what a lot of people want around here if you read even this thread but they don't realize what kind of form factor it would really create. I don't think Apple laptops have ever been about trying to compete with those laptops. To me trying to get a laptop to do hardcore desktop processing tends to make a crappy laptop. if you need that much processing power you should be buying a desktop not trying to force a laptop to do it.. Seems to me like when Apple tries to make a laptop they try to make a great laptop, not necessarily a great desktop. A lot of complaints about the new laptops is that they can't hang with desktops with 32 gig ram I guess. To that I'd say get a desktop, and I appreciate Apple trying to make a great laptop. 32 gig of desktop ram in a laptop would make a pretty crappy laptop trying to be a desktop IMO
So realistically the Razer Blade will get you a few hours. My old Lenovo laptop tested at 4:40 per a PC Mag review I just looked up, and I rarely got over 2.5 or 3 hours out it. That's even with it set to conserve battery life.
It's so funny to read these forums. Apple releases a laptop that works fine for some and is a disappoint to others for a variety of reasons and the unhappy people are attacked. It seems really hard for some to grok that their needs aren't the same as those of everyone else. Judging from the number of posts complaining about it, a lot of people are disappointed with this release. If it works for you - great, you got what you need. But if ram/ports/sd cards/etc. are important to the way others use their laptops, they will be disappointed.
I have no issues with people being unhappy. You have a right be unhappy if you want. I just find it humorous that people are going around acting as if the price issue is something new, as if Apple used to offer bleeding edge specs, especially GPU, at a comparable or lower price than competitors. People should know what they are getting with Apple at this point.