Suggest you do the same.
What you said was meaningless, suggest you work on your communication, and provide facts and not vague assumptions
The concept of desktop v laptop ram.... lol...
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Suggest you do the same.
What you said was meaningless, suggest you work on your communication, and provide facts and not vague assumptions
The concept of desktop v laptop ram.... lol...
This is one of those 'if you have to ask the question you will not understand the answer' kind of things. Many peoiple need >16GB of RAM in a mobile machine. Just accept that people are not here lying about that.
a) I cannot take the desktop on the plane with me. I do have one only to have a machine with 32GB RAM - I wish the new MBP had 32GB so I could sell the desktop
b) Research you say. Oh look Dell do an XPS 15" with 32GB RAM (I do not give a rats ass whether it is laptop or desktop RAM - it just works! 5 hours battery life is fine a mac under load won't beat that anyhow)
Now you will probably say well you go buy one then. I will, early next year when they get Kaby lake. But here is the kicker - if everyone like me goes and buys other makes - and that is alot of people - more than you think - Appel's incentive to keep making laptops will diminish - and then where will you be ? You should want customers like myself to be happy with Apple, because a bigger more diverse customer base benefits all macbook customers by making apple have to take the markte more seriously instead of treating it as a profit add-on to the iphone market
I'm just calling your bluff right now. You don't do either 4K video editing or motion graphics. There's 4 gigs of vRAM on the GPU. You didn't even mention that. Which means you have no fricking idea how video editing works.
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If there were 32gb offered at the same battery life I would have been all over it. I fly and am onsite and ...and ..and...we use desktops for 'medium', and render farms for 'heavy' lifting depending on what the requirements are for the media we design. I draft in 3D using Vectorworks and AutoCAD. I use all of the Adobe suite on the laptop, premier, after effects, Photoshop...we will bring desktops with us onsite if we need them. And I do this with multiple apps open since I need to reference back to other files.
So I am pretty sure I would understand. And it can be a simple an vague as my paragraph above. So what is it you want to do on your laptop? Because if you can't/ don't know how to answer that even vaguely then no we do not think you are legitimate in your needs. I understand wanting more memory, I want it to and would have paid the cost money wise for it. But not at the cost of battery life. I will be glad to have 1/2 a pound less in my backpack when traveling or on site. As I said we will ship a desktop or 4 if we need more power when on site.
I ordered the 15" fully loaded which included paying for the 2tb ssd. 4gb upgrade graphics card. The choice was Mac OS or Windows OS, I choose MacOS. And because I am not going to purchase a heavier laptop with more memory for less battery life, since it won't buy me enough performance to be worth the added weight and loss of time when not on power. Because when doing anything CPU and GPU intensive you are going to drain the battery faster. So if I have to have heavy and plugged in, there are desktops with 12 core CPUs that we can use.
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I have explained it multiple times in recent days. But I'm sick of justifying my needs to randomers who are being pedantic so I'm not doing it again. I don't care if you don't are convinced or not. I use a computer all day for my work and I'm telling you I need a 32GB machine. Apple either provides that before next March - or I buy a Dell.
People are really struggling with others having different needs. I need a laptop now and do some iOS development so getting a Dell was not an option for me. I reluctantly ordered a 15" Pro as I can't wait and hope they come out with something that supports more memory.
My wife who does social media for a living was given a 32gb ram lenovo computer with skylake, I think it cost around $1700. It seems thin enough to me. I also started to see other engineers using alienware laptops professionally. You put it in a dock behind your monitor and nobody sees it anyway. Damn apple, all they had to do was not shrink the size of the rmbp. God damn, who are all these pro uses who were saying "I know this is the size of a magazine but I wish it were the size of a magazine with fewer pages and I don't care how hard you have to gimp performance" because those people are idiots.
That is a true statement, clearly evident by all the threads here. People assume that "because I only need X amount of RAM/CPU/etc for my job, it should be enough for everyone else". "Oooo... I can write code on this machine, or I can launch Photoshop, so it must be acceptable for everyone". Or even when some acknowledge that others might have different priorities, they still fail to understand specific workflows they've never experienced firsthand. Some seem genuinely shocked when they hear others use their laptops for work in a different way. "What!? Your laptop is plugged in most of the time? Impossible!".
Ok, everybody is different, and this lack of understanding is to be expected with a group of individuals. The sad, sad thing is that the reason there's so much frustration now is that it's Apple's lack of understanding that caused this. The world's leading technology company has demonstrated the same kind of foolish attitude, and not just towards other people chatting in an online forum, but towards their customers.
Dude just get a Dell. Why are you talking? Just do it. You are the one who is here trying to justify your needs to others. Clearly you wanted a response otherwise you would just buy what you need. Don't get mad when it's not the response you wanted.
Why are you talking and refusing to allow those of us not happy to have opinions separate to yours? Just accept people need and want 32GB MBPs that don't require you to spend 200 extra on dongles just to plug stuff in. Maybe you will be happy in a few years when the 2020 MBP ships with no built in keyboards and iOS ?
4GB of VRAM is kind of the minimum if you plan on using OFX nodes in Davinci Resolve. It's workable, but somewhat limiting and not very future proof.
The thing that could potentially make the 2016 MBPs viable for video grading and effects work etc would be the ability to attach an external GPU. I would love to see Apple provide a way to do this, as it looks like the current and emerging third-party options require some significant compromises.
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Looks like your buying a dell...
And the pendantic one is you, as you are just as random a person as the rest of us. You go on about how Apple is not giving you what you need, with no explanation. I am not saying you don't need it...but if you can't explain why you do need it...then it is hard for most to understand. And as I and others are not following you around through every thread you post in, We can not be expected to know what you wrote somewhere else.
Apple does not offer 32gb of ram in their laptops at this time. If that is what you must have, then you unfortunately (or maybe not) will need to go elsewhere to find it. Does not mean Apple screwed up, it means they don't offer what you need. If others do, then they will be the lucky ones to get your money and the money of the others that need 32gb in their laptops. it really is about having the right tool for the job. laptops have always been a compromise...portability over power...
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Works both ways..people who don't like the new MBP saying it is not enough for what they need and so it isn't good enough for others either, people are idiots for buying these.... I think most of us are trying to say find the one that does what you need or is a good enough compromise.
For those saying it isn't good enough for Heavy video rendering...there is no laptop on the market at this point in time that will do heavy video rendering in the context I think is heavy video rendering....
In my business this article will show you what you use for heavy rendering
http://www.slashfilm.com/cool-stuff-a-look-at-pixar-and-lucasfilms-renderfarms/
So see...I don't see my laptop as something to replace that... Or for a desktop. I see it as one of many tools I use to get my job done. If it is your only tool, then for some the new MBP may truely not have what they need...and they will have to look elsewhere. I am aware of the compromise, and as I said before, if Apple offered more in the same weight and battery life, I would gladly buy that. But they don't so I got what they did offer, because for me, it will do what I need from a laptop, as part of my full tool kit.
All of this is true, except I didn't say I can't explain - I said I'm not explaining again. The point is - why should I have to explain. Why do you all require to understand ? I am a customer. The customer wants what the customer wants. You don't provide that and they go somewhere else. That is bad for Apple and its reamining customers. Capiche ?
They screw up when they don't provide what the customer wants and needs. All of you sem to ahve it backwards here deciding because Apple didn't provide it no-one needs it. That is not how markets work. The sheer size of the reaction on this should tell both Apple and you - they screwed up. But in the absolute sense time will provide answers to that.
Apple has never tried to fill all niches with their laptop lineup. Not even close. In fact, manufacturers that are trying to fill every niche often lose money doing so. Look at the news today regarding profits in the mobile marketplace and contrast that to the articles on market share earlier in the week. Chasing every niche is a losing proposition.
Then you need to tell them...not some open forum with a bunch of strangers... Only Apple can decide if your patronage is worth it to them.
We just are looking to why is it your unhappy...no you don't have to share why...but then why share at all
On the contrary, not being able to move beyond the max 16 gb of ram after what 5-6? years definitely means Apple screwed up and is alienating an important part of their users.
Yes laptops are a comprise, But for me and many others Apple made the wrong one.
The obsession with thinner and lighter is not more important than the ability to function. In late 2016, for me and many others proper function requires more than 16gb of ram.
If you want to know why go search through my post history. I'm not explaining it over and over again just so an apologist like you can make condescending remarks about my needs being invalid.
As to your disingenuous suggestion to go elsewhere, it's not so easy if you are already locked into the Apple ecosystem.
If Apple had released updated desktop options it would help lessen the sting, though it would not really address the portability issue.
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You full well know by now why we are unhappy, you just don't like hearing it.
By extension of your argument, then why are you here sharing at all yourself if you only want to read comments from other people who already agree with you?
Just turn off your device and go talk to yourself in a mirror.
And that is right out of the gate. Right now, my 2013 rMBP only lasts about an hour if it is rendering a video with Final Cut. So these people want that to change to where it would only last 30 minutes doing *GASP* WORK?
They could have easily compensated for more ram in the new MacBook Pro by allowing for more battery, but they instead prioritized thin and light over functionality. A balance must be struck between these of course but I think this time they went to far, and many others agree.
Lets talk about cars (I appreciate I may be alone here).
Mercedes/BMW/Audi make 'pro' cars, for the sake of argument. They are expensive to start with.
If you want higher spec's you pay through the nose for the options.
Many more mainstream cars have features that are not found on the 'luxury' brands
Many other cars are faster, or more economical, or more practical.
But the reason these brands are seen as 'luxury' is that they get the balance right. They are well made, and feature enough cutting-edge technology to be enticing. They perform well, have loyal followings and maintain a decent re-sale value.
If someone complained that the latest Mercedes E-Class doesn't have the performance of a Ferrari, the handling of a Porsche, some of the latest tech being rolled out in the Ford range, or the lugging capacity of the latest Landcruiser, the response would be that if you want any of those things then buy those cars instead.
Apple isn't really that different. It is a 'luxury' brand who make fantastically built technology which balances enough features without going all-in with one particular aspect. They could build a machine that is all things to all men, but it would be ugly, power-hungry, less portable and possibly less stable. They would lose the 'luxury' tag in a heartbeat if that happened.
It's also never been a brand who are really on the bleeding edge of technology. I'm actually surprised with the touch-bar as that is an innovative thing in its own right, something they are not known for.
Mercedes/BMW/Audi make 'pro' cars, for the sake of argument. They are expensive to start with.
If you want higher spec's you pay through the nose for the options.
Many more mainstream cars have features that are not found on the 'luxury' brands
Many other cars are faster, or more economical, or more practical.
But the reason these brands are seen as 'luxury' is that they get the balance right. They are well made, and feature enough cutting-edge technology to be enticing. They perform well, have loyal followings and maintain a decent re-sale value.
If someone complained that the latest Mercedes E-Class doesn't have the performance of a Ferrari, the handling of a Porsche, some of the latest tech being rolled out in the Ford range, or the lugging capacity of the latest Landcruiser, the response would be that if you want any of those things then buy those cars instead.
Apple isn't really that different. It is a 'luxury' brand who make fantastically built technology which balances enough features without going all-in with one particular aspect. They could build a machine that is all things to all men, but it would be ugly, power-hungry, less portable and possibly less stable. They would lose the 'luxury' tag in a heartbeat if that happened.
It's also never been a brand who are really on the bleeding edge of technology. I'm actually surprised with the touch-bar as that is an innovative thing in its own right, something they are not known for.