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If you consider Blogging, OpenCL, Final Cut Pro X, iMovie, Photos.app, Mail.app, Safari Web Browsing and a horribly implemented cloud, Professional, than the MacBook Pro is PROFESSIONAL.

If you consider high end photography, high end video, Programming or coding, App Development, ETHERNET, More than One External Hard Drive, Professional than the new MacBook Pros are CONSUMER.
 
Suggest you do the same.

What you said was meaningless, suggest you work on your communication, and provide facts and not vague assumptions

The concept of desktop v laptop ram.... lol...


I'm not your dad or teacher do your own research. lol. Try google
 
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If you consider Blogging, OpenCL, Final Cut Pro X, iMovie, Photos.app, Mail.app, Safari Web Browsing and a horribly implemented cloud, Professional, than the MacBook Pro is PROFESSIONAL.

If you consider high end photography, high end video, Programming or coding, App Development, ETHERNET, More than One External Hard Drive, Professional than the new MacBook Pros are CONSUMER.
I'm sorry but for Programming/Coding and App Development the MacBook Pros are professional. There simply isn't a better system for that use case right now.
 
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On the contrary, not being able to move beyond the max 16 gb of ram after what 5-6? years definitely means Apple screwed up and is alienating an important part of their users.

Yes laptops are a comprise, But for me and many others Apple made the wrong one.

The obsession with thinner and lighter is not more important than the ability to function. In late 2016, for me and many others proper function requires more than 16gb of ram.

If you want to know why go search through my post history. I'm not explaining it over and over again just so an apologist like you can make condescending remarks about my needs being invalid.

As to your disingenuous suggestion to go elsewhere, it's not so easy if you are already locked into the Apple ecosystem.

If Apple had released updated desktop options it would help lessen the sting, though it would not really address the portability issue.
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Name calling just like the other guy puts you in the, no leg to stand on just arguing for arguments sake....I never appologized for Apple nor do I need to...

I have no need to follow all the threads you post in either...share don't share, but don't get mad because we did not see all of your posts.


I know it is not so easy...but if you are so unhappy with Apple and their choices, why stay at all...if you are posting in multiple threads about how unhappy you are...my only suggestion could be you may need a change. Not disingenuous at all...someone that unhappy that they want the world to know over and over again, needs to find what will make them happy. And Apple is clearly not it for you or many others.
 
I'm sorry but for Programming/Coding and App Development the MacBook Pros are professional. There simply isn't a better system for that use case right now.

Without an ESC and F1 key? I highly doubt that..


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OK OK I agree, using an external Keyboard, you are correct.. I can't wait to see coders using EXTERNAL keyboards at a coffee shop or in their workspace to get a real coding job done.. Can't wait to see those photos!!
 
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If you consider Blogging, OpenCL, Final Cut Pro X, iMovie, Photos.app, Mail.app, Safari Web Browsing and a horribly implemented cloud, Professional, than the MacBook Pro is PROFESSIONAL.

If you consider high end photography, high end video, Programming or coding, App Development, ETHERNET, More than One External Hard Drive, Professional than the new MacBook Pros are CONSUMER.

What? You are saying I can't write even one line of code on my rMBP? And I can only use one external hard drive at a time? Really?
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Without an ESC and F1 key? I highly doubt that..


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OK OK I agree, using an external Keyboard, you are correct.. I can't wait to see coders using EXTERNAL keyboards at a coffee shop or in their workspace to get a real coding job done.. Can't wait to see those photos!!

I have been coding with Xcode for a few years now. I never use the escape key or the function keys.
 
What? You are saying I can't write even one line of code on my rMBP? And I can only use one external hard drive at a time? Really?
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I have been coding with Xcode for a few years now. I never use the escape key or the function keys.
Thats amazing, I could put on a BUBBLE BOY suit and jump into a pool and say I go swimming all the time and don't get wet, but that would be just silly. Programming and Purposefully avoiding the ESC and F1 key, are just as silly. ALSO their a lot of other programs besides Xcode? I wouldn't sell the whole programming and coding community so short, their are lots of other ways to code and dev.
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What? You are saying I can't write even one line of code on my rMBP? And I can only use one external hard drive at a time? Really?

I was specifically referring to the 13" macbook Pro, where USBc drives don't allow Daisy Chain, and you can only fully access your bandwidth using one drive at a time. So YES its true. Just because you have 10 USB3.1 drives connected to a hub at one time doesn't mean your accessing each drive simultaneously. Your other USBc port is powering in this case.
 
Consumers don't need laptops. They need iPads.

Now this statement is just dumb. I guess only the genius engineers on this thread who are doing high end bleeding edge development work are worthy of using a laptop? Get out of here with that trash.
 
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Now this statement is just dumb. I guess only the genius engineers on this thread who are doing high end bleeding edge development work are worthy of using a laptop? Get out of here with that trash.

I think you are missing the humor in this comment (i.e. Cook's comment about an iPad being all the computer a lot of people need).
 
I guess only the genius engineers on this thread who are doing high end bleeding edge development work are worthy of using a laptop?
Sorry that's just the reality and of course I was half way joking. I think people should use the form factor that works for them. I know several of my friends are professionals and they use an iPad Pro exclusively. Don't knock it.
 
Sorry that's just the reality and of course I was half way joking. I think people should use the form factor that works for them. I know several of my friends are professionals and they use an iPad Pro exclusively. Don't knock it.

It's actually not the reality. An iPad is a content consumption device. It's great for watching movies, surfing the web, playing games, giving presentations and so on. if you actually have write or create anything (other than the art creation that the Pencil is great for), you need a laptop because iOS is a smartphone OS blown up on iPad with very little functionality that would actually make an iPad a quality laptop replacement.

Anyways, it seems like folks like you seem to look down on those of us who aren't in a technical field that requires bleeding edge tech in our computers.
 
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http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/p70/

Must be desktop ram in there eh........64GB of it....

Yes. I prefer battery life instead of getting 32GB or 64GB of RAM. Everybody is just whining just to whine. I am able to do professional work with 8GB of RAM. If you need more, that is your need. But don't you dare tell me that ALL professionals NEED 32GB of RAM or they are not professionals.
 
Wow, now if that spec machine could run MacOSX, that would be an ultimate PRO machine... :)

I could always plug in the power cord to charge it on the road/meetings if I needed to.

Starting price is 2315.91 US Dollar for 8GB of RAM.
And 1920x1080 resolution.
And 500GB HD 7200RPM
And Windows 10 Home as standard? LOL. That is saying something when a base config of a PRO laptop comes with Windows 10 Home.

Compare that to the base 15" 2016 MBP:

Touch Bar and Touch ID
2.6GHz Processor
256GB Storage
  • 2.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor
  • Turbo Boost up to 3.5GHz
  • 16GB 2133MHz memory
  • 256GB PCIe-based SSD1
  • Radeon Pro 450 with 2GB memory
  • Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
  • Touch Bar and Touch ID
And that is for $2399. Yeah these MBPs are SEVERELY overpriced /s
 
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Yes. I prefer battery life instead of getting 32GB or 64GB of RAM. Everybody is just whining just to whine. I am able to do professional work with 8GB of RAM. If you need more, that is your need. But don't you dare tell me that ALL professionals NEED 32GB of RAM or they are not professionals.

Debating the "Desktop" ram to go over 16Gb claim and not how much people need.

I have one on pre order, though it does not mean I buy the BS that 32GB ram is going to destroy my battery life, same BS I heard from iPhone 6 Plus to 6S plus to be honest, apple are masters at optimising thier hardware
 
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Wow seriously? Do you think everybody doing video editing is Pixar and needs 128GB of RAM and render farms?

Not everybody... but that's a market Apple has been successfully losing.

Even with the tasks I use my Mac for, I'd consider 16 GB to be a joke.

32 GB gets by for me right now, as a minimum. It's not pleasant, but adequately minimum to perform the tasks.

Apple hasn't produced a machine in years that I could justify purchasing.

I would purchase a suitable Mac Pro if one was made that was both reasonably priced and serviceable / internally upgradable like the classic Mac Pro.

Likewise I'd love to have a Mac portable that could perform the tasks I have at a reasonable price. But currently a MacBook Pro wouldn't suffice even as a secondary machine. It would be relegated to leisure use.

Some of us do need the extra memory in addition to CPU performance.

For my tasks, memory is a primary consideration. CPU performance is secondary, provided that it's sufficient. And GPU performance is my 3rd consideration, as long as it is a dedicated GPU and capable of driving two displays which have either HDMI, DVI, or SVGA connections.

And my overruling criteria for all of it is connectivity. It must connect with the devices I am going to come in contact with as I move to various locations which are not owned by me. Sometimes numerous devices simultaneously.

It must have sufficient memory to have at least 10 virtual machines running simultaneously. And while those VMs are running be able to continue it's task of encoding up to 32 video projects. And while those tasks are going, be able to run a presentation on whatever screen may be in the classroom that I'm in at the moment. And at a moments notice be able to interface with the enterprise network (via RS-232 serial console cables). And likewise at any moments notice remote into any networked computer or server to perform admin tasks.

Life in the professional world can be busy. With Apple's offerings, we are given only the option of buying multiple machines to perform the workload, and now a bag of extra dongles to carry around.

Fortunately, in the corporate / enterprise world, there are PC's which can perform the tasks with ease. I carry one adapter with me at all times. A USB to RS-232 Serial adapter, which I use to connect to the serial console connection on enterprise Cisco routers and switches.

It would be nice if Apple's "professional" portables could provide the connectivity needed for professionals. Adding extra dongles isn't a viable solution. That's just more stuff to carry around and mess with.

Apple does make nice looking computers. But they're losing the enterprise market to PC's running Windows.

Macs make good web browsers, end-user client machines, and home computers. But limiting the memory options and built-in connectivity options does remove them from the enterprise professional market.

It is important to be able to move about your day while continuing on with your primary projects, carrying only the computer, and being able to interface with anything you need.

Consider that some might wear several "hats" at once. They might be in charge of IT / network admin, while also moving through the day alternating between an educator role, and also be tasked with video projects that need to continue encoding while they are working on other tasks.

My old Mac Pro can do this, but obviously lacks mobility. None of Apple's portables currently meet the needs (due to limited memory). Apple's older MacBook Pros do come closer due to better connectivity.

But at this point, mobile options for the above workload are only available from other PC makers.
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http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/p70/

Must be desktop ram in there eh........64GB of it....

Lenevo is one company that knows how to build professional computers.

They offer specs and performance combinations that exceed the standard offerings, even Apple's.

And, they do it while maintaining connectivity options, and even an attractive, yet functional style.

Maybe it doesn't have the new gimmick pad that Apple introduced. But what are you going to do on the new MacBook Pro when a program needs you to press escape or F1?

I actually use the escape key often in Mac Software. And if you run any Windows OS (either bootcamp or VM), imagine how useful that new pad will be when the program says press Escape to cancel or F5 to....).
 
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.... Anyways, it seems like folks like you seem to look down on those of us who aren't in a technical field that requires bleeding edge tech in our computers.

That can be said of both sides.

Everybody has a different set of needs for what they want in a "Pro" laptop. Some people need it to be as transportable as possible, some need lots of CPU/RAM, some need maximum battery life, some need tons of ports/connectivity, and so on.

Just remember that the high-tier MacBook "Pro" is supposed to be the top of the lineup. So the people who want the most CPU/RAM have nowhere else to go. Up til now, the MBP also had the healthiest array of connectivity/ports.

You can always go down to other products like the rMB if you want to sacrifice CPU/RAM/ports for lightness/thinness/battery life. You could even get an Air for something in between the two.

So when people buy the MacBook "Pro" but really don't need anything more than the retina MacBook and say that it's perfect for their needs, it's not quite the same.

So when someone who's "Pro" use on a MBP is to blog, email, and use social media, says that they don't need the MacBook "Pro" to have ports or computing power, it's perfectly reasonable -- but then they don't really need the top-spec MacBook "Pro".

So while those users still have lots of choices, and now even more than ever, the people who's needs are at the higher end of the computing spectrum aren't getting what they need and have nowhere else to go (within Apple).

It's not about looking down upon other users, but when people are demanding more and more from these $3000+ devices, it's hardly relevant or helpful when someone says that it's all the computer they need (especially when any MacBook from the last 5 years would do their job equally well).
 
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Children... why all the bickering?

I always thought for intensive tasks a desktop machine was needed? For a "mobile" solution a laptop works great. Some will be impressed by the specs some will not. Some will try to use it as a desktop replacement but may feel it comes up short due to lack of ram or whatever. I have read some are debating which $3,000 or $4,000 "pro" machine they should buy for their 13 year old. Needs differ, but I think part of the problem was how Apple marketed the new laptops. If they would have released some new desktops at the same time with more options like of 32gb of ram or more, there would be nothing to complain about. Cant understand how a company with BILLIONS in reserves is unwilling or incapable of releasing more than a few products at a time, sometimes letting other models fester for years in the abyss only to release a revision.
 
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