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Remember back in the good old days when Presidents had intelligence, respect, maturity and decent and understood just because they have an opinion on things, that doesn't automatically make it law of the land? I miss those good old days!
You were alive before TV and modern media? Tell me about the ancient times oh wise one.
 
Apple really needs to step up and make the phones automatically do a secure erase if someone attempts to hack the phone to unlock it like this and to automatically do a secure erase after a certain number of bad attempts at entering the passcode.
The second half of that has been built into iOS for a long time, waiting for people to flip a switch in Settings.
 
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I like Trump on a lot of stuff but I am 100000% against any company breaking encryption/passwords for any reason. The FBI needs to stop being lazy and do their job. They just want the easy ticket of getting into people's phones. I believe a phone is an extension of one-self and it should not be used to testify against you. Also, the Government should never compel a company to create something for them for their business purposes.
 
Honestly though what evidence is there on the phone that they don’t already have? They know who did the crimes, what else do they need to complete an investigation?
 
Honestly though what evidence is there on the phone that they don’t already have? They know who did the crimes, what else do they need to complete an investigation?
Presumably they'd want to see if the perpetrator had accomplices (not directly involved in the attack, but who might be involved in future attacks), or ties to any particular organizations. Doesn't change the fact the Apple is not physically able to give them what they request.
 
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These things are always more complex that the news reports we get. Can Apple do it? Last time this came up when I looked into it I was very disappointed to find Apple was being very dishonest. I don’t want a back door since it cannot be safely done. I do want Apple to be available to help with select cases. As usual once Trump says something a portion of the population loses their minds. Trump might be totally wrong on the technical aspects - I am a little more shocked this issue made it to his attention. It’s a tiny issue nationally.
 
Given what Jane Horvath (Apple Senior Director of Global Privacy) said at CES 2020 about their efforts to "help screen for child sexual abuse material" I'm not so sure about that any more. I'm starting to get the impression that it's more a choice rather than an impossibility to do it or not.
Not accurate. The screening happens with photos uploaded to iCloud which they are in control of the encryption, because they own the devices. Their users hold the keys to the encryption on devices they own. After I build and sell you a house, you don’t let me keep a set of keys and the alarm codes right?
 
Love you to death Donald but I just don't see it happening. Which is cool we me I like me secured device.
 
The point is Apple can’t do it. That’s how they designed it.

That is incorrect. Apple can. This was revealed in the San Bernadino case where the iPhone was protected by a PIN.

It's not hard to brute force 10,000 pins. However, it is restricted by a timeout and an eventual auto wipe. This is enforced in software. All Apple needs to do is create and sign a custom firmware that skips over the code that does this.

You can argue whether Apple should or should not, but the fact is that there's no technical reason why they can't. It's a social issue at play.
 
Like most politicians, Trump doesn't get that this can't be done. But I don't blame any of the politicians (even though most of them are idiots), I blame the FBI for leading the politicians to believe this can be done and that Apple is just being obstinate. A simple word from the FBI about what they really want (for Apple to produce a back-door for future versions of iOS) and this would all be cleared up. Since the version of iOS on that phone doesn't have a back door (and god willing, no version ever will), Apple can't hack it.

I would almost wish that the members of Congress actually understood any of this. Except then they would be passing laws mandating a back-door in future versions of iOS. Blissful in the ignorance that only the good guys would ever get a hold of it and that no bad guys would ever use it to attack their phones and turn the entire US Congress into a giant botnet.
 
That is incorrect. Apple can. This was revealed in the San Bernadino case where the iPhone was protected by a PIN.

It's not hard to brute force 10,000 pins. However, it is restricted by a timeout and an eventual auto wipe. This is enforced in software. All Apple needs to do is create and sign a custom firmware that skips over the code that does this.

You can argue whether Apple should or should not, but the fact is that there's no technical reason why they can't.
No, they can’t. This is getting tiresome. Cellebrite did this, but it no longer works in iOS 13 because Apple patched their method.
 
No, they can’t. This is getting tiresome. Cellebrite did this, but it no longer works in iOS 13 because Apple patched their method.

No you are completely misunderstanding. Cellebrite is going through a backdoor. The anti-hammer provisions are a front door. Cellebrite can't modify core OS code due to OS signing. Apple holds the signing keys and can.

You're believing that there's some magic cryptography that guarantees that you can only try 10 pins. There isn't. There's explicit code that Apple wrote that can be bypassed by Apple. In fact, this code has been changed by Apple during regular iOS updates, e.g. when they added the feature to require a PIN once a week.

Arguing based on a misconception or technical ignorance just hurts the cause.
 
That is incorrect. Apple can. This was revealed in the San Bernadino case where the iPhone was protected by a PIN.

It's not hard to brute force 10,000 pins. However, it is restricted by a timeout and an eventual auto wipe. This is enforced in software. All Apple needs to do is create and sign a custom firmware that skips over the code that does this.

You can argue whether Apple should or should not, but the fact is that there's no technical reason why they can't. It's a social issue at play.

Nope. The firmware can’t be upgraded unless the phone is unlocked.
 
No they can’t. Making things up doesn’t make it true.

Repeating falsehoods doesn't make it true either.
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Nope. The firmware can’t be upgraded unless the phone is unlocked.

Nope. That is another software-enforced restriction because the firmware can be read and authenticated when the phone is locked. Otherwise it couldn't boot. It would be valid if the iPhone demanded authentication in an early boot stage, like FDE does, but it doesn't for UX reasons.
 
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I'm implying that the phone itself may not need to be unlocked. If you can verify the backup is of a particular iPhone you can use that backup to restore to another iPhone at which point you have a copy of the original phone.

No. As a new phone owner, I can't just pick and choose whichever backup I want. I need my login information to restore my backup from the cloud to a new device. If they had the login information to allow them to restore to a new device, then they wouldn't need the cloud at all since they would already have access to the original phone. If it was as easy as you're implying, we wouldn't be having this conversation as the government would have had what they wanted ages ago.
 
Do Apple fulfill requests like this from China?

I’m not saying that to be volatile - genuinely curious if that’s even a thing that comes up over there.
 
No. As a new phone owner, I can't just pick and choose whichever backup I want. I need my login information to restore my backup from the cloud to a new device. If they had the login information to allow them to restore to a new device, then they wouldn't need the cloud at all since they would already have access to the original phone. If it was as easy as you're implying, we wouldn't be having this conversation as the government would have had what they wanted ages ago.

Uh, Apple doesn't need your password to access the data on iCloud. That's how the "forgotten password" feature works.

The issue is some apps explicitly exclude their data from backup or they apply a second layer of encryption on top of it that requires keys from the device itself or a passcode.
 
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That is incorrect. Apple can. This was revealed in the San Bernadino case where the iPhone was protected by a PIN.

It's not hard to brute force 10,000 pins. However, it is restricted by a timeout and an eventual auto wipe. This is enforced in software. All Apple needs to do is create and sign a custom firmware that skips over the code that does this.

You can argue whether Apple should or should not, but the fact is that there's no technical reason why they can't. It's a social issue at play.

I understand that they could upgrade iOS without requiring a passcode (something that I first saw as suggested they would patch in iOS8, but from what I understand have not patched), but I thought secure enclave was a different matter. They go through a lot of effort to make sure SE is incorruptible, it's a little disappointing that one could hack it just by getting ahold of Apple's signing key. Don't believe for one minute that that isn't possible.
 
All you Trumpsters defending him AND being on a tech website now see how much he lies through his teeth (and tweets) and twists anything to fit his warped view of reality. Alternative facts aren’t truths, no matter how much Kellyanne Conway winks and spews.

Wake up Trumpsters. He’s a conman. Time to vote him out.
 
Once again they come to Apple to ask them to unlock a dead criminal's iPhone.

Apple again says "We can't do it..."

So... how many more times will they keep asking?
 
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