Donald Trump Calls on Apple to 'Step Up to the Plate' and Unlock iPhones Used by Florida Mass Shooter

[TiggrToo]

That means if data is NOT end-to-end encrypted, then Apple CAN read it.

That is the very definition of end-to-end encryption and is not unique to Apple.

If you don't understand this information security concept, you probably shouldn't be giving advice about it...

End-to-end encryption - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I do not think it's a black and white as you think it is. And I know all about encryption, I was working with the RAF on security as far back as the mid 90s.

That all said :

Privacy - Features

Apple products, including Apple Intelligence, are designed to protect your privacy, because privacy is a fundamental human right.

www.apple.com

This contains even more information. E.g. iMessage conversations are apparently also protected with End to End encryption.

Feel free to contradict me with other citations that state that Apple CAN access the data. Right now it feels that you're assuming this based upon the absence of a fact.
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I wonder how he would feel if it was his phone being asked to be unlocked or perhaps that of Melania,Kushner or Ivanka.. I bet ironic hypocrisy would show really quickly here..

He'd claim Executive Privilege.

 

[-BigMac-]

Why cant Apple unlock the iPhone for the FBI, without showing them how. And remove the password, so the FBI can unlock it by themselves after that?

 

[Kardinal1911]

Dear Orange Julius,

NO! This is a slippery slope... next thing they’ll want to be able to live listen into American homes, or remotely activate web cams, hack into home security systems, etc... HELL NO! Apples legacy is its commitment to user privacy and if they give in to this Tantrum I’m done

 

[26139]

Why cant Apple unlock the iPhone for the FBI, without showing them how. And remove the password, so the FBI can unlock it by themselves after that?

...because Apple cannot unlock the iPhone.

 

[TiggrToo]

Why cant Apple unlock the iPhone for the FBI, without showing them how. And remove the password, so the FBI can unlock it by themselves after that?

Because math.

This isn't a desire thing, it's because they actually cannot do it because they do not have the encryption keys.

 

[konqerror]

This contains even more information. E.g. iMessage conversations are apparently also protected with End to End encryption.

Again, your first article explicitly discusses iMessage, something you apparently posted but didn't read. iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, but your article specifically notes that if iCloud messages and backup is turned on, then that protection is lost.

I do not think it's a black and white as you think it is. And I know all about encryption, I was working with the RAF on security as far back as the mid 90s.

You're very much mistaken and falling for marketing speak about "encryption". Again, most things are NOT E2E encrpyted on iCloud, and their lack of E2E on iCloud backups has been called out before:

EFF Calls on Apple to Let Users Encrypt iCloud Backups as Part of 'Fix It Already' Initiative

The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), perhaps the most well-known digital rights non-profit, today launched a new "Fix It Already"...

www.macrumors.com

Again, Apple has access to all data in iCloud except the list I took from the article, with notable caveats about 2-factor.

Further, read page 10: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf

 

[KnighsTalker]

Humpty Trumpty needs to step up, shut up, and resign!

 

[IG88]

Unlocking the phone of a criminal in a "one off" situation...I agree.
But don't show the FBI how to do it.
Do it for them and let them look.
Telling them how to do it = slippery slope.

Nope. As soon as the backdoor exists, it's game-set-match. The DOJ could then use a multitude of tactics to force Apple to hand it over.

 

[inkswamp]

Wonder what's apple hiding they will not unlock a phone ? Google will in a heart beat.

Yeah, I wonder what they're hiding. Next thing you know, Apple will refuse to release their taxes. Shady....

 

[Stephen.R]

Which one? Mine backs up to a 2017 MBP in my breakfast room.

The real shocker (to me) in this is that you have a breakfast room. Our house is pretty roomy and I can’t imagine having a room dedicated to breakfast 😂😝

 

[macpro2000]

He seriously is making our country the best it’s ever been. Thank you President Trump. You’ll be in history books as one of the best presidents ever.

 

[26139]

He seriously is making our country the best it’s ever been. Thank you President Trump. You’ll be in history books as one of the best presidents ever.

What does that have to do with Apple not being able to unlock an iPhone?

 

[v3rlon]

373 days from now, I think Trump will feel very differently on Apple unlocking devices for law enforcement...

Someone should point out that Obama made the same request of Apple. Then he will have to request that Apple never unlock devices.

 

[Stephen.R]

Someone should point out that Obama made the same request of Apple. Then he will have to request that Apple never unlock devices.

That might be relevant if Obama had been impeached for obstructing congress, likely charged if not for DoJ policy re: sitting presidents with obstruction of justice, etc etc.

Obama’s call on the matter was just as uneducated, but that’s not really the point that was being made.

 

[NoNothing]

373 days from now, I think Trump will feel very differently on Apple unlocking devices for law enforcement...

When he gets re-elected? The sad state is this is no different than Obama’s team trying to get into the San Bernardino shooter’s phone. Governments the world over from the EU, US, Australia, Russia and China are pushing for keys to all encryption.

 

[russell_314]

This makes about as much sense as banning guns 🤦‍♂️

 

[Gasu E.]

Sacrificing the privacy of hundreds of millions of innocent Americans humans across the world just for more evidence on an already convicted shooter makes no sense.

I agree with Apple's stance; but having said that, let's be clear on what the law-enforcement rationale is: the reason for wanting access to the iPhone data is to determine if the shooter had co-conspirators he was communicating with. It has nothing to do with piling on evidence in an already open-and-shut case.

 

[26139]

This makes about as much sense as banning guns 🤦‍♂️

...what do guns have to do with privacy and encryption?

 

[Gasu E.]

Which one? Mine backs up to a 2017 MBP in my breakfast room.

The DOJ needs to know just what it is you had for breakfast.
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The real shocker (to me) in this is that you have a breakfast room. Our house is pretty roomy and I can’t imagine having a room dedicated to breakfast 😂😝

Agreed; it's very suspicious. I suspect he eats a lot of "French" toast there.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

Tim should tell president "Donald Plumbus" to mind his own business.

 

[Ramchi]

Not sure how Apple is being helped. They're still paying 15% tariffs.

Stopping ZTE, Huawei in USA is not a small thing !

 

[crescentmoon]

Why cant Apple unlock the iPhone for the FBI, without showing them how. And remove the password, so the FBI can unlock it by themselves after that?

The outcome would not be very good for apple and privacy advocates with attorney general Barr at the helm. Of course if you just do one iphone for the DOJ, this will establish a precedent that may allow every law enforcement agency to knock on apple's door for their iphones... Where will apple draw the line??

 

[Treq]

You were alive before TV and modern media? Tell me about the ancient times oh wise one.

I think he was alive 3 years ago.

 

[Gasu E.]

Please explain what’s hilarious.

It's unlikely that you'll get a response. People who drop comments of that type are usually too timid to make assertive, positive statements, which can easily be disproven.
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You were alive before TV and modern media? Tell me about the ancient times oh wise one.

I don't know how old you are; but I'm old enough to remember when media started to go to crap in the late 1990s.

 

[Treq]

He’s got 4 more years left.

No, I think his sentence will be longer than that. Even with time off for good behavior.