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As much as some people hate Trump there is no way you can say this is a bad thing to bring jobs and manufacturing back to the US.

It's the method of bring those jobs back that is questionable.

What "substantial regulation cuts" is trump proposing? Do you think regulations exist merely to punish corporations?
 
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The American taxpayer shouldn't be asked to subsidize the domestic production of a $600B corporation. Those tax incentives would be put to better use helping small businesses instead.

The government isn't subsidizing anything. They are instead offering an incentive. There's a difference. If Apple were to set up manufacturing in the US, and hire American workers, each of those workers would be paying taxes and engaging in other economic activity that feeds money to the Treasury. Now add in all the suppliers that would be incentivized to support the new Apple plant (chemicals, robots, office support, caterers, etc..), and the Treasury gets a much bigger revenue receipt than whatever it lost in providing a tax incentive. Everyone benefits: Apple benefits, the government benefits, and the workers benefit.
 
These jobs aren't coming back.

They're not even going to exist in China for too much longer. It's getting cost-effective to automate, even there.

An iPhone factory in the US will be WAY fewer jobs than people are imagining. It's not going to be an assembly line with thousands of people putting things together for minimum wage (and do we even want those jobs back?). It's going to be a mostly automated plant with a few human supervisors and engineers to repair things.

This may be true, though there is a lot to be said for construction, maintenance, security, etc. even if a plant is mostly automated.

I think it's more about the money than the jobs anyway.
 
It will never happened. Trump talked a good one during the election and now he's going to get some very serious reality checks.
 
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It's the method of bring those jobs back that is questionable.

What "substantial regulation cuts" is trump proposing? Does you think regulations exist merely to punish corporations?

I am thinking the regulations he is talking about cutting is EPA. And I say, wait a second on that. I don't want lead waste seeping into water systems, so Trump can beat his chest that iPhones are made in America by robots.
 
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Given the disgraceful unemployment rate in the US, I'd say there are plenty of people available for those jobs. Once we get them off welfare and into the workforce.

That disgraceful rate of 4.9%, you mean? As in, like, close to 10-year lows? The one that was halved under an Obama presidency? Is that the disgraceful unemployment rate you're talking about?
 
I guess American Workers won't be very happy if the "regulation cuts" mean unsafe working conditions, lots of overtime and reduced wages. I think this will be about robots - take tax cuts, bring money back and invest it in robotic manufacturing. I am not being sad or cynical - that's just the reality of things.
 
For years, Apple has been looking at ways to bring manufacturing back to the US. I believe automation is the key, not taxes.

Tax incentives may not be enough to offset the increase in labor to make products here, but more automation and fewer workers might make it feasible. In that case, how does a US manufacturing plant with few jobs and no taxes benefit the US economy?

Obviously some jobs are better than no jobs. See previous post. Foxconn was 1.3 million strong in 2015. They will certainly automate as much as they can regardless, but you have to think beyond just the one company. They have many suppliers and once other companies begin to come back, they will be sourcing products and raw materials from the states as well. A company as big as Apple has a longggggg supply chain.
 
I'm not an American. Is it typical that a president elect starts working even before in office? He has also met with the Mexican president many months ago. I think it's quite extraordinary, but I could be wrong.

America had a lot of self-serving presidents. I remember Bush played a lot of golf before having 9/11. Clinton was having fun indoors. I liked Obama but didn't know what he accomplished that was good. He was well spoken.
 
MAGA - Make Apple Great Again? :eek:

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Apple manufacturing iPhones in US? Not gonna happen.

Putting tariffs in China imports? Improvement for a few workers but will make stuff more expensive for EVERYONE. It's like benefiting 5k employees at Chevrolet but screwing millions who want to buy a car. And don't expect Chevrolet cars to be cheaper. History shows the contrary.

At least Trump is a business man and understands the best thing the government can do is get out of the way. Just lower taxes for EVERYONE, not for few.
 
The government isn't subsidizing anything. They are instead offering an incentive. There's a difference. If Apple were to set up manufacturing in the US, and hire American workers, each of those workers would be paying taxes and engaging in other economic activity that feeds money to the Treasury. Now add in all the suppliers that would be incentivized to support the new Apple plant (chemicals, robots, office support, caterers, etc..), and the Treasury gets a much bigger revenue receipt than whatever it lost in providing a tax incentive. Everyone benefits: Apple benefits, the government benefits, and the workers benefit.

And what if the government used that money to incentivize job creation by small businesses instead of Apple? All the benefits you described would still accrue but on a larger scale since small businesses already provide the highest percentage of new jobs in the economy. Why give the incentive to a $600B corporation that already has the most tax-advantaged status in our economy? (owing to its access to expensive tax legal services which allow it the smallest tax burden over smaller businesses which can't afford such services and thus pay the highest business income tax rates in the country).
 
He isn't just saying it now. He's trying to DO it. Hilary would had never even considered this. If trump gets apple to make an iPhone in the US that would be YUGE.

I can't wait to see this guy do a good job. I bet you'll all Still complain.

Of course - why would she suggest something that is both impossible and stupidly short-sighted?

Sure, if you want your next iPhone to cost $2500 just so that a few thousand unskilled Americans can assemble phones in a factory all day...then yeah, I guess it is wonderful!

But I guarantee that won't even happen. Most likely scenario: Trump gets Congress to pass a bunch of corporate tax breaks for his "friends" and then the jobs never materialize anyway. And, when that inevitable day comes, somehow he'll find a way to blame it on someone else.
 
So, future iPhone will now be made in the US by robots made in Asia?
Exactly! Not sure why everyone wants them to bring back manufacturing given that most of it will be automated without human labor.

I understand that it's an incentive for the greater good of bringing jobs back to the U.S., but why does it always end up being the big corporations that get tax cuts?

You silly fool. You still believe we live in a democracy :p
 
Not when you play the stock bonus game, while at the same time wasting billions in stock buybacks that serve only to artificially inflate stock price.
This might vary from country to country, but in many countries earnings related to receiving a stock bonus has to be declared as income.
 
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