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Don't bother with wireless N on the iPad unless you're really close to your router.
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Very interesting.... So, we have non-dual band owners hitting 150mbit (reported), 1st-gen dual-band TC owners hitting 39mbit, and 2nd-gen only hitting 72mbit. What's going on here?!
We don't know what versions of the firmware each person is using. That could make a difference in the reported link rates. We also don't know whether any of these users are seeing significantly different real-world data throughput or connection behaviors even given these different link rates.Very interesting.... So, we have non-dual band owners hitting 150mbit (reported), 1st-gen dual-band TC owners hitting 39mbit, and 2nd-gen only hitting 72mbit. What's going on here?!
Once again, a link rate of 150 doesn't mean that that person is getting data rates at 150Mbps. In fact, they could be getting rates that are only in the several tens of megabits per second range (i.e. 30Mbps wouldn't be out of the ordinary if you are a room or two away from the basestation -- even when the link rate was reported to be 150 or 300).
Yes yes I understand that! That's why I said "reported."
The fact is that if you're only reading 39mbit, you're certainly not hitting MORE than 39mbit. And I'm curious why many different devices are reading different things. I know that first-gen dual-band TCs aren't *reporting* more than 39mbit in N 5Ghz mode, and I know that second-gen dual-band TCs aren't reporting more than 72mbit. I'd like to know WHY.
N= negative
I've not experienced this on my Ipad. I have a netgear wireless router that sits on the top floor of the house and I'm in the basement with the Ipad at my desk.
I have noted that it tends to be VERY strong and sometimes wacks out my Linksys node receiver on my desktop..prob due to different brands? Dunno-
I've not experienced this on my Ipad. I have a netgear wireless router that sits on the top floor of the house and I'm in the basement with the Ipad at my desk.
I have noted that it tends to be VERY strong and sometimes wacks out my Linksys node receiver on my desktop..prob due to different brands? Dunno-
Here's my setup:
Brand new dual-band Airport Extreme running firmware 7.5.1, operating in 5ghz only mode
Older non-dual band Airport Extreme running firmware 7.4.2, operating in "Extend wireless network mode"
Both security modes were set to WPA/WPA2 Personal
My 5ghz router is downstairs and the extender is upstairs, which I what I'm generally connecting to from about 15 feet away.
I looked at the connection speed this morning and it also listed the ipad rate as 39. I ran SpeedtestX HD on the and got 5.59mpbs as a result.
I then switched the security modes on both routers exclusively to WPA2 (and also hid my network name just because). After reconnecting, my ipad connection rate is reported as 300 (the connection speed between each router is reported as 240). SpeedtestX HD now reports 14mbps down.
So in my case, switching both routers from WPA/WPA2 Personal to WPA2 Personal made a huge difference in the connection rate.
Brand new dual-band Airport Extreme running firmware 7.5.1, operating in 5ghz only mode
Older non-dual band Airport Extreme running firmware 7.4.2, operating in "Extend wireless network mode"
Both security modes were set to WPA/WPA2 Personal
My 5ghz router is downstairs and the extender is upstairs, which I what I'm generally connecting to from about 15 feet away.
I looked at the connection speed this morning and it also listed the ipad rate as 39. I ran SpeedtestX HD on the and got 5.59mpbs as a result.
I then switched the security modes on both routers exclusively to WPA2 (and also hid my network name just because). After reconnecting, my ipad connection rate is reported as 300 (the connection speed between each router is reported as 240). SpeedtestX HD now reports 14mbps down.
So in my case, switching both routers from WPA/WPA2 Personal to WPA2 Personal made a huge difference in the connection rate.
You must have a really crappy router... I have never had issues with N pretty much through out my house.
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i am having problem with wifi. it's unstable, sometimes its' low or high. My ipad had to refresh for a few secs sometimes.
I don't know the reason, the wifi modern is set up by my brother, it's no security, free for all, no password.
could it be the cause?
I don't know the reason, the wifi modern is set up by my brother, it's no security, free for all, no password.
could it be the cause?
I cannot repeat this. With my latest gen Time Capsule I never connect at higher than 72mbit reported. What other settings did you change? You're the first person I've read of that has seen a *reported* 300mbit connection.
Not necessarily true. If you recall not all are having the same problem that you are, with me being one of them. My iPad has no connectivity issues at all. Several people, including you, were confusing connecting speeds, with link speeds, and various other data, but two facts remain:
1. Apple needs to address the issue that some people are having, to include you.
2. Some people are having no issues at all, to include me and others.
Maybe my lack of issues have to do with the fact that I am running two concurrent networks (one a new gen TC), both 5MHz. My iPad jumps back and forth between networks as needed.
I have 100 Mbit/s via fiber (Telia Sweden) and when I surf with my iPad, sitting on the "patio" about 25 feet away from my N-router with 2 walls in between, I get around 95 Mbit/s.
So... you sir, you fail. Thank you for reading. Carry on.
Come on dude. How many people do you think log in just to give a big wave and say that their wifi is doing just fine? You seem to have proclaimed that all iPad connections are bad based on your poor experience. Well, the opposite seems to be true as well. Apple sold over a million so far and it appears the wifi incidents are isolated. Thus, you and a relative few are having problems. Apple already acknowledged this and will issue a fix rather soon.
Since I've tested numerous dual-band TCs with several iPad models, yes I can. I don't know of anyone connecting at more than 72mbit with a second-gen dual-band TC or 39mbit on a first gen dual band TC. I've confirmed 150mbit connecting to a current gen Airport Express which is just weird.
In any case, why do I keep having to defend myself? I'm not having any issues with my connection at all. Just that the further I move away from my router the better the G connection is.
Again, I have no issues with my connection, and the wireless weirdness affects all iPads. It's generally not an issue for the majority of users. Including myself.
This is the part that I an others are taking issue with. If it is not an issue for many - including yourself - then why care? Furthermore, you cannot speak for everyone.
I personally do not care if I have the issue or not. I looked at my logs like you directed earlier and saw that I was not getting the full speed, but higher than you were. I can't remember, but it was close enough for me, so I dropped the issue.
You can only speak for the devices you have tested because anyone that has opposite results automatically blows your results out of the water. Didn't you have science in school? You don't get how it works? Or do you just like to bloviate? Do you see how utter ridiculous you sound when you say that you can speak for everyone?
WilliamG = Zero credibility
You earned this dude.
This thread is nuts.
I had a problem with unexpected network speeds and did some research and this is what I found. Wireless N has varioius data rates determined by the number of antennae and the channel width. I was getting these really crappy speeds that made me think "why did i get this?" wouldn't you know it, my router was using the 20mhz channel width, not the vastly superior 40mhz. I think the 20mhz gives extended range by using error correction an data redundancy or something. Anyway, I set my router to automatically switch between the two and voila 300mbps. I had to set my laptop to only use only N also. I have no idea if you can do that on the ipad however. Does anyone know if you can change the wireless settings? I just looked but I can't find any fine controls. The ipad probably switches to 20 mhz mode when signal stregth drops. Does anyone know how to lock it to 40mhz?
As an aside this thread reminds me of that robot story by asimov where the robot in charge of a relay station in space decides, through "irrefutable logic" that humans could not have created him, and that the Creator must be the space station itself, and humans its early attempts at creating followers. Perfectly logical, really.
