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Hummer said:
Well, I made my dad mad (long story, stupid issue) and he takes my iBook away.

I found it once and let my sister use it hoping she would keep it in a spot that I would know where it was to know it would be safe. She rats me out that I found it and let her use it:mad:.

So this morning I'm "sleep" and I hear my dad going to take it from the spot that my sister put it because she tells him where it's at. He hides it somewhere else.

I'm wondering if it is possible for me to find it with my Linksys WiFi router. Even if it could just show that it's in the house or within the area of the router. Or. Even though it's sleep, is there anyway I can get it to make noise or something.
Just ANYTHING so I can know it's in the house.

Right now I'm running my tower which is running ubuntu and compared to OS X, ubuntu sucks ass times 26544767654.

What? I don't understand at all. What exactly did you do?
 
my guess is that its in the trunk of his car....

but if i were you i would leave well enough alone...

you will get it back when he is ready to give it too you....

my mother used to beat me with a rolling pin, wooden spoon, and an ivory brush :eek: damn that rolling pin used to hurt like hell!
 
Timepass said:
you have a lot to learn. Parents are supposed to displine there kids. Heck my parents took away my car keys more than once. I paid for everything on the car but they still had the right to do it I live under there roof they make the rules. They are there to bring me up right.

We have stated time and time again Hummer has yet to even try to figure out what he did wrong.

Also I think taking the laptop was a very effective punishment. Take what imporant to the kid and he get the message across. Plus cutting off internet access is really pretty hard to do. Way to many ways around it. Taking away the laptop. now that one stings and hurts more than enything else.
Maybe you didn't understand me clearly, apparently you have a lot to learn about comprehension. I said that he should have been disciplined. I just said that his father made the wrong choice in his punishment. At least your parents didn't beat you.
 
Excursions said:
Maybe you didn't understand me clearly, apparently you have a lot to learn about comprehension. I said that he should have been disciplined. I just said that his father made the wrong choice in his punishment. At least your parents didn't beat you.


well think about it this way what could they take away from him that is just as imporanted. Also legelly speaking the laptop belongs to the parents not the kid. The kid can co own it but it not compeletly theres.

It all with contracts and stuff and under the age of 18 you just dont have that right and can not own it. If creitor needed money from the parents for example the laptop is not protected because it techoclly the parents. Also no one under the age of 18 can own a bank account only in there name due to contract laws (have to be 18 to sign for them other wise it goes with teh parents)

Now when you hit 18 that laptop will be legelly yours but right now they are co owners and have all the legel rights over it. sucks dont it.

Also I think it was a very effect punishment. It appently did it job and effect the kid. Now it more just him getting it htough is head what he did wrong.
 
Just affecting someone isn't the right way to do it.

All it's done is make Hummer more angry, not make him realise that he was wrong (which he's claiming he isn't, and I have no good reason not to believe him). Now maybe if his dad had shown him some respect and treated him like another person (do you think his dad treats his work mates like that?), then none of this would happen.


Also, ages ago someone said that Kids are too badly behaved today. Excuse me? Are you saying that I, as someone who has to go into school 5 days of a week and experience people throwing chairs at the teacher and sexually assaulting people (yes that happens often here) should be punished?

Are you saying that what Hummer did was bad enough for a beating? None of us really know what Hummer did actually say so we have NO way of saying what his parents should have done. IMO, there is no good way to justify a beating. If you have done something that bad, then the police should be involved. I admit that there are many incredibly badly behaved people around, and they do need to be taught a lesson. But bringing them all in and giving them a spanking each isn't going to do any good...
 
I remember when my Niece was a toddler and acting up. My Sister gave her a light slap on the hand to stop her from doing something. She hauled up and smacked her as hard as a toddler can and yelled "no hitting". I thought that was kinda funny, but mostly because it wasn't my kid. I see some holy terror in the grocery store and think some kids need to be disciplined, but I see some kids who are often punished for no little or no reason far beyond what they deserve, so there's got to be a balance.

No, you won't be able to find the laptop that way. Yes your Father overreacted. Not that it's any consolation, but at least he didn't beat you up. Especially for something so minuscule. Yes, you should have just listened to him. Yes, you should apologize even though you really shouldn't have to. Yes, you'll get your laptop back eventually and I'm sure it'll be fine. If not, don't get angry, get mopey. Dads don't know how to deal with that IME.
 
Did you get it back yet??

I have to agree with the people that said your father overreacted, the beating and the chair things were completely uncalled for, but you made it worse by finding it. If you didn't find it, you could have had it back days ago.

But, I think that the people who said that it's OK to physically punish a child (ex. hitting) are wrong. By saying that, you are saying that if you can legally hit a child, then the child can legally hit you, because of that "everyone is equal before the law" stuff.

While you say it's your own laptop that you payed for... who paid for the power that you charged your battery with? Probably your parents. Who pays for your Internet? Probably your parents again. So, the power and the Internet are theirs, they're just letting you use it.

And, you just have to deal with your parents for now. Yeah, some of the things they do are really retarted, but in a few years (after college) you can get your own place and make your own rules.

Oh, ya, and if he took it away while it was sleeping, chances are it's dead by now. If it's off, then it's off, so... it doesn't help any more than if it was dead.

Hope you get it back... in the same condition that he took it from you in.
 
I found it and once again, I let my sister use it. This time he let her use it just as long as I don't use it. I do know where it is and I haven't touched it (for all you people who had trouble believing I wouldn't use it). I haven't talked to him since the day I made this thread. I don't plan on talking to him either even if he does give the ibook back.

I replaced my linux box with windows xp because I was tired of linux. I think I can deal with this until I get a new ibook or macbook.
 
Hummer said:
I haven't talked to him since the day I made this thread. I don't plan on talking to him either even if he does give the ibook back.

Ok... it's just a computer, and you have another computer that you can use while it's gone. He's probably waiting until you act like an adult and talk to him to give it back anyways.
 
Hummer said:
I found it and once again, I let my sister use it. This time he let her use it just as long as I don't use it. I do know where it is and I haven't touched it (for all you people who had trouble believing I wouldn't use it). I haven't talked to him since the day I made this thread. I don't plan on talking to him either even if he does give the ibook back.

I replaced my linux box with windows xp because I was tired of linux. I think I can deal with this until I get a new ibook or macbook.


If I was your dad, I'd be putting your iBook up on eBay because of your sneaky, immature attitude. First of all, you shouldn't have been hunting around the house looking for it anyways. Second, you're snotty attitude of "I won't ever talk to him again" is very rude and immature. Personally, I applaud your dad for taking this sort of action and hope he does whatever it takes to make you stop acting like a spoiled, whiny, immature little brat.
 
Ok did you buy the iBook or did your father buy it for you, If it came out of your fathers pocket he has a right to hold on to it, If you paid for it you have a right to fight for it. As for kids having rights, until you either turn 18 or move out parents have all the power.

I blame the MTV for the kids of today, they think they can do no wrong.
 
MacNut said:
Ok did you buy the iBook or did your father buy it for you, If it came out of your fathers pocket he has a right to hold on to it, If you paid for it you have a right to fight for it.
Until he's 18 all his property belongs to his parents under the law. That's the same law we all grew up with. Acting like a man rather than a boy is the only way to resolve this. No point waiting three long silent years to get the iBook back is there?
 
yg17 said:
If I was your dad, I'd be putting your iBook up on eBay because of your sneaky, immature attitude. First of all, you shouldn't have been hunting around the house looking for it anyways. Second, you're snotty attitude of "I won't ever talk to him again" is very rude and immature. Personally, I applaud your dad for taking this sort of action and hope he does whatever it takes to make you stop acting like a spoiled, whiny, immature little brat.


*claps* this is by far the best statement made in this thread in a while. Kudos yg

Ed
 
The initial post was on July 18. Today is August 1 (where I am). That means your attempts to locate the notebook or remedy the situation with your father have gone on unsuccessfully for over two weeks. Or, you did remedy the situation and didn't tell anyone here. Either way, there's nothing we can do to help you. There's no way to tell where the iBook is. I'd get comfortable using the ubuntu tower.
 
QCassidy352 said:
Disclaimer: angry and judgmental rant follows. I don't mean to offend anyone, but what I've seen in this thread shocks and saddens me. My comments are not directed at any one person.

[rant]
It just stuns me that people in this day and age can still think that hitting children is acceptable. They're not just "kids," they're people. Think about how you'd feel if someone bigger and stronger with total power over you hit you every time you did something wrong. Sound like fun? Sound like a good way to engender love and respect? Thugs and bullys throughout history have known that enough physical violence can make people behave.

If that's the only way you can make your child understand you, then you really need to work on your parenting skills. And before you ask, no I don't have children yet, but I've taken care of children plenty of times and wasn't a child so long ago myself.

My parents are both wonderful, loving, people. My two brothers and I were raised without being hit. None of us has ever been in trouble with the law, was ever suspended from school, or ever had discipline problems with any authority figure that didn't deserve it. The vast majority of my friends were raised without being hit and they turned out the same. Kids can understand and respond to an awful lot.

Put hitting aside for a moment. Parents are not always right. Sometimes they're arbitrary and mean for no reason. Sometimes they're just bastards in general; there are a lot of bastards out there, and unfortunately, sometimes they reproduce. To assume that a parent is always right, just because they're the adult, is the height of ignorance and arrogance. Children are people too. Smaller, not as developed mentally or physically, but people. Yes, sometimes a parent has to put his or her foot down, but that doesn't mean that you lash out physically or stop treating your child like a person. You want your children to treat you with respect? Try treating them with some. [/rant]

As to the specifics of this situation, I don't know. From what the OP has said, it sounds like his dad lost his cool for no real reason. He not only took the ibook, but also beat the OP with a belt. For... what, exactly? Not getting ready fast enough? If any adult behaved like that towards another adult, we'd all agree that he had serious anger management issues and was a real danger. But because the victim is a child, the great majority of you seem to think the father is justified.

Of course, we are only hearing the OP's side of it. I don't know what the OP's father would say. Nothing could justify beating his son with a belt, but maybe taking the ibook was reasonable. I don't know. What I do know is that this is a complex situation between two people, and can't be resolved as easily as "he's right because he's your father."

Ultimately, of course, those of you who say that the father has authority are right. Both physically and legally, he is in control. It's a shame that he can't control his temper, but such is life. So my advice to you, Hummer, is to try to learn to see his blow-ups coming and avoid them. Not because he's necessarily right (tho he may be), but because it will make your life a whole lot easier.

This is the absolute best post in the thread. Children are people too, it may of been acceptabloe in the 50s to hit kids, but not in this day and age.
 
solvs said:
He mentioned several posts ago that he bought it with his own money.


but it does bring into quetion how he got that money. And because of his age legely he cannt own it and it would of have had to go though his parents. In the US is is agaist the law for any place ot let you work under the age of at 15 (and very heavy restristion at age 15 as well). Even if he had a good paying job (7.25 an hour very unlikely) and working the max 20 hours a week (another very unlikely thing to happen) you still looking at over about 3 months worth or work after you adjust for taxes and what not to get it.

And even then to work it only by the grace of the parents allowing it. Any other money is under the table or though the parents giving it to him for doing job around the house. Other stuff is more illege under US law (techaclly) Falls under the area of gift which again belongs to the parents if they so see fit so yet again it comes down to techocolly the parents do own the ibook not the kid.
 
Timepass said:
but it does bring into quetion how he got that money. And because of his age legely he cannt own it and it would of have had to go though his parents. In the US is is agaist the law for any place ot let you work under the age of at 15 (and very heavy restristion at age 15 as well). Even if he had a good paying job (7.25 an hour very unlikely) and working the max 20 hours a week (another very unlikely thing to happen) you still looking at over about 3 months worth or work after you adjust for taxes and what not to get it.

And even then to work it only by the grace of the parents allowing it. Any other money is under the table or though the parents giving it to him for doing job around the house. Other stuff is more illege under US law (techaclly) Falls under the area of gift which again belongs to the parents if they so see fit so yet again it comes down to techocolly the parents do own the ibook not the kid.

He made some vague allusion to some manner of making money on the internet. It sounded pretty shady, but I'm not going to insist that there's anything illicit going on there.

Also, he said the iBook was found he just can't use it. Also, he's not talking to his father anymore, so I doubt there will be any under-the-table gifts.
 
Timepass said:
but it does bring into quetion how he got that money. And because of his age legely he cannt own it and it would of have had to go though his parents. In the US is is agaist the law for any place ot let you work under the age of at 15 (and very heavy restristion at age 15 as well). Even if he had a good paying job (7.25 an hour very unlikely) and working the max 20 hours a week (another very unlikely thing to happen) you still looking at over about 3 months worth or work after you adjust for taxes and what not to get it.


Here in New York I can make a couple hundred bucks a week, cash, handing out flyers for stores. Also, if you go downtown where the trucks unload you can make an easy 75 bucks from a trucker who is too lazy to unload his truck himself.

As for what I do on the internet is buy, sell, and park domain names.

Anyways I have the laptop back. My dad apologized to me, he realized my way did work. I apologized to him for rebelling. Problem solved.
 
Hummer said:
My dad apologized to me, he realized my way did work. I apologized to him for rebelling. Problem solved.
For those of us actually paying attention to understand both sides, happy to hear cooler heads prevailed.

I still expect people to argue about how much of an ogre your Dad is for being human and how much of a spoiled brat you are for being a frustrated teenager. ;)
 
Hummer said:
Anyways I have the laptop back. My dad apologized to me, he realized my way did work. I apologized to him for rebelling. Problem solved.
Finally, a bit of common sense. Well done. Much better this way, yes?
 
Killyp said:
The way to get people to respect you is to respect them.
This equation is a little bit too simple. It doesn't always work. Get a little bit older and you will find out about how treating somebody with respect is no guarantee that the other person is treating you with respect as well.

So what is your solution when you are treating somebody with respect but the other side is not willing to do the same for you? I would really like to hear about your concept of how a difficult situation might be dealed with then...???

What you are saying is, that you actually can not respect a person that does not respect you. And that just shows (sorry) how immature this point of view is. So who is the one who has to show respect first then? Following your logic two people could never respect each other, if nobody is doing the first step.

Also in general punishment doesn't mean that you don't have respect for the person you are punishing. These two things are not directly related to each other. If you are doing something wrong in life, it has consequences. But some consequences only occur on the long run. As an adult you (normally) have the life experience to also consider these 'far away' consequences. As a kid or a teenager you lack this abbility and it doesn't influence much decissions if you are doing something or not, which makes it very difficult to differentiate between good or bad. This is the core of what upbringing of kids is about: to make them understand what is good and bad for them and their environment (also on the long run), not to act like an egocentric little ass-hole. Of course you could say that the kids should find out about the consequences themselves, but many wrong things kids are doing influence the rest of their lifes and it is the responsibility of the parents to protect their kids from any harm caused by an immature and short-sighted action.

One day you will be maybe a parent yourself and you will be surprised how little of your concept about 'earning respect' atually works in the real world.

groovebuster
 
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