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web apps work well..
No, they don't. There are only two reasons for choosing a web app over a native app: 1) The native app is also terrible, e.g. a web app in disguise. 2) The task is unimportant and infrequent enough to not warrant to bother with the download procedure, which Apple made bad on purpose.
 
Maybe you’ve not used enough, but YMMV of course. I’ve used lots of web apps that worked well for the task, and were appropriate for the task.


Web apps tend to cost less to develop too, where as a native app ( developed in the native language , I.e swift, java etc ) has to be rewritten on each platform.

It is simply not practical to have every web app written as a native app.

There’s a quite a few web UI frameworks that will adapt to each platform.

Platform OS APIs are expanding to allow a web app to use a phones internal features where several years ago could only be achieved by native apps.

Again, there’s a place for both web apps and native apps. Unimportant / infrequent - I beg to differ. :)




No, they don't. There are only two reasons for choosing a web app over a native app: 1) The native app is also terrible, e.g. a web app in disguise. 2) The task is unimportant and infrequent enough to not warrant to bother with the download procedure, which Apple made bad on purpose.
 
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When Steve Jobs came back to Apple, he'd always show off game demos like Quake and Unreal Tournament. He even demoed a PS1 emulator once.

Then out of nowhere he quit caring about games. At times I was hoping the Intel switch would bring games to the Mac via Cider but that never happened.
 
No, they don't. There are only two reasons for choosing a web app over a native app: 1) The native app is also terrible, e.g. a web app in disguise. 2) The task is unimportant and infrequent enough to not warrant to bother with the download procedure, which Apple made bad on purpose.

What’s bad about the download procedure? App Store, click download, bam you’re done. Am I missing something?
 
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They're both known as fairly arrogant geniuses in their respective fields. Unstoppable force ≠ immovable object paradigm. Their reported interactions went along mostly as I'd expect them to...
 
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It’s no secret Steve was a difficult man to work with, often unreasonably so. It’s even possible that the company he founded may be better off today without him. However, it’s also no secret that there would be no Apple today had Steve decided not to return to the company. No one and no situation is perfect, that’s life.
 
There's plenty over at Tesla. Hang out with the Tesla fanboys, I hear their Kool-Aid tastes great!

Wait til Apple announces their own car. This place will be off the hook with kool aid.... then again, it already is.

But lets be serious, NOBODY fanboys as hard as an Apple fanboy. Remember iJustine after Steve Jobs died? It looked like someone ran over her dog. It's pathetic.
 
When Steve Jobs came back to Apple, he'd always show off game demos like Quake and Unreal Tournament. He even demoed a PS1 emulator once.

Then out of nowhere he quit caring about games. At times I was hoping the Intel switch would bring games to the Mac via Cider but that never happened.
Lots of games got Cider ports and they were almost universally awful.
 
Wait til Apple announces their own car. This place will be off the hook with kool aid.... then again, it already is.

But lets be serious, NOBODY fanboys as hard as an Apple fanboy. Remember iJustine after Steve Jobs died? It looked like someone ran over her dog. It's pathetic.
He was an important man. Even I felt sad.
[doublepost=1526360417][/doublepost]Funnily , iOS is now one of the biggest games platform in the world.
 
Sadly, Tim Cook and his cohort Jony Ive are just as utterly clueless about gaming today as Steve was then.... Witness not ONE Mac has a decent GPU in it. NOT ONE. And switching to Metal pretty much seemed to kill what little of Mac gaming that had appeared in more recent years. We were getting 6-12 big titles a year and then Metal shows up and it's DEAD. NO ONE really wants to build an entire new API around a single system that has probably less than 1% of the gaming market. I read every excuse imaginable on here about how once they get it together, they'll start arriving, etc. But Apple doesn't want to do gaming and they sure as hell don't want to do STANDARDS anymore. The one small glimmer of hope we had with external graphics cards pretty much got botched too (no support for Thunderbolt 1 or 2 or NVidia for that matter.... might as well just ship with one card if you're only going to support a few Radeons.)

Apple can't seem to do a damn thing right anymore when it comes to the Mac.... A $5000 iMac? Holy HELL Batman! To think you used to be able to get the cheese grater Mac Pro for $2000 with full internal expansion capability. Apple couldn't have screwed things up worse with that trash can Mac Pro if they tried. Yet we heard the Apple Kool-Aid stories then too! It's a beautiful trash can!!! (wish I could afford one or I'd buy ten!) I guess no one could afford one since they sold about as well as the Edsel.
 
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Wait til Apple announces their own car. This place will be off the hook with kool aid.... then again, it already is.

But lets be serious, NOBODY fanboys as hard as an Apple fanboy. Remember iJustine after Steve Jobs died? It looked like someone ran over her dog. It's pathetic.

And yet, you're still here. For some reason?
 
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Isn't this where the mobile apps are going? Web Apps are the future. Steve Jobs saw too far into the future I guess.
 
It shows that Steve Jobs is not the perfect figure and visionary everyone is raving about lately (web apps on iPhone, etc).
 
Good leaders are sometimes jerks. They have to be to get things accomplished.

No, you don't have to be a jerk to get things accomplished. Actually, being a jerk in a leadership role has the exact opposite long-term effect on your team's morale -- they will only work the absolute requested minimum and start looking for other opportunities elsewhere. And with external peers, things get worse even quicker -- why the heck would ANYBODY in their right mind want to interact and do business with a jerk?

There was a study about social behavior in an ant farm. The study revealed that ants that demonstrated more social behavior and stopped to share food reserves with other ants actually made it faster to their destination than those who didn't.
 
Good leaders are sometimes jerks.

Of course.

They have to be to get things accomplished.

How do you know?

Because human psychology. The drive that leads men like Jobs to greatness has it's downsides as well.
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No, you don't have to be a jerk to get things accomplished. Actually, being a jerk in a leadership role has the exact opposite long-term effect on your team's morale -- they will only work the absolute requested minimum and start looking for other opportunities elsewhere. And with external peers, things get worse even quicker -- why the heck would ANYBODY in their right mind want to interact and do business with a jerk?

There was a study about social behavior in an ant farm. The study revealed that ants that demonstrated more social behavior and stopped to share food reserves with other ants actually made it faster to their destination than those who didn't.

How did you type all of that and not realize that Jobs contradicts every single word?
 
No, you don't have to be a jerk to get things accomplished. Actually, being a jerk in a leadership role has the exact opposite long-term effect on your team's morale -- they will only work the absolute requested minimum and start looking for other opportunities elsewhere. And with external peers, things get worse even quicker -- why the heck would ANYBODY in their right mind want to interact and do business with a jerk?

I worked in several companies during the last 12 years and had all sort of bosses.
The best I had was like a friend to me, I remember he took me out to lunch after he interviewed me for the job, he already decided he wanted me for the job and just wanted to spend some time to get me know better as a person, not as a future employee. He always praised me for the good job, told me I was better than him when he was my age etc. He eventually quit the company, so did I a few months later.
I never met another boss like him while I met jerks, kind people who didn't have a clue about technology and very talented people who didn't know how to manage a team.

What I found out is jerks are bad for the team in the long run.
I remember a quote, I don't know if it was from Job himself, but it goes like "we don't hire smart people to tell them what to do, but so they can tell US what need to be done". As a boss you have to set priorities, manage your team and make decisions but you always have to listen to your employees, be open to suggestions and treat everyone fairly and kindly. Shouting at people, discard their ideas and stop caring about them as human beings isn't good for the company, the best people will eventually quit. I guess having a bad boss, or one you don't get along with, is the primary reason why people quit their job. The company culture is important, but sometimes you have very different feedbacks from people working at the same company only because they are in different teams so have different managers.
 
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Sadly, Tim Cook and his cohort Jony Ive are just as utterly clueless about gaming today as Steve was then.... Witness not ONE Mac has a decent GPU in it. NOT ONE. And switching to Metal pretty much seemed to kill what little of Mac gaming that had appeared in more recent years. We were getting 6-12 big titles a year and then Metal shows up and it's DEAD. NO ONE really wants to build an entire new API around a single system that has probably less than 1% of the gaming market. I read every excuse imaginable on here about how once they get it together, they'll start arriving, etc. But Apple doesn't want to do gaming and they sure as hell don't want to do STANDARDS anymore. The one small glimmer of hope we had with external graphics cards pretty much got botched too (no support for Thunderbolt 1 or 2 or NVidia for that matter.... might as well just ship with one card if you're only going to support a few Radeons.)

Apple can't seem to do a damn thing right anymore when it comes to the Mac.... A $5000 iMac? Holy HELL Batman! To think you used to be able to get the cheese grater Mac Pro for $2000 with full internal expansion capability. Apple couldn't have screwed things up worse with that trash can Mac Pro if they tried. Yet we heard the Apple Kool-Aid stories then too! It's a beautiful trash can!!! (wish I could afford one or I'd buy ten!) I guess no one could afford one since they sold about as well as the Edsel.

Metal allows you to access the GPU without an API. OpenGL still exists and is still used by the OS and any games you care to mention.
[doublepost=1526372042][/doublepost]Carmack was just as arrogant. When the SEGA Saturn came out the developers used both its processors to develop a version of Doom which was far more advanced than any other system, and probably one of the few games to use the Saturn to its full potential.

Carmack had the developer rewrite it as software rendering as he didn't want a port looking better than his version of Doom, so the Saturn got a really slow port that was terrible to play.
 
I would agree with John in this.... The only reason Steve couldn't accept it, is because he didn't wanna go there.

However, it is Apple after all... Its kind of sad to think you developed a great game, but is now obsolete on a platform just because Apple chooses a different path.

Hmm if you’re talking about the apps Cormack developed that are now obsolete that’s on him. Plenty of 32 bit apps were updated to 64 for iOS 11 so Doom classic (one of my all time favourite games) could have been too.
 
This is my biggest disappointment with Apple, and my most negative viewpoint about Steve.

Just because, HE, INDIVIDUALLY did not want/like gaming, he utterly destroyed Apple in the gaming market for literally decades and still to this very day it's nowhere.

Apple could have RULED gaming, and right now even have a world beating console out as part of it's product line, but no. Steve single-handedly destroyed this from being a reality.

And I think it's to late to recover. Tim and Ive are so far each other's butt holes re the whole health and fitness sales pitch, and saving the planet, blah blah, blah, I cannot see until they go (hurry up) and fresh bllod may come in to start to develop something for the "Entertainment Market"
 
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