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Downgrading to Snow Leopard anybody?

blackburn said:
So today I've got sick of Lion (Golden Master).

I hated versions, resume and mission control. But when I went back to Snow Leopard I immediately noticed it's much faster than Lion. And it fells more like an advanced OS to me.

Anybody downgraded yet? Or is planning to? Or is just me?:p
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Trying out Lion was a nice experience for a couple days, but on my MBA at least, it felt sluggish. Sluggish enough for me to revert to Snow Leopard.

I'm glad I did! All of the sudden, I got my battery life, snappiness and smoothness back.

The only 3 things from Lion that I miss so far are:
  • those eye-feasting animations when moving files around
  • the new Terminal with TERM=xterm-256color and full-screen mode
  • trackpad natural scroll direction (weird the first few hours, makes sense afterwards)
 
I'm most likely not going to stick with Lion. I currently have the GM installed and am probably gonna remove it soon. I still have some older hardware devices in which there are only 32-bit drivers (i.e Apple's USB Modem).

While the speed of Lion on my Late 2006 MB is fine, it is no where near optimal, especially when compared to SL.
 
I just can't understand so much criticism about Lion.

I have it installed on both my MBP and my MB Air, and yes, it's a bit more taxing on the hardware, but what new OS isn't? I remember the exact same conversations when snow leopard was out.

And I DO like mission control. I think it integrated spaces and exposé just ok, and grouping the windows by app is much less confusing than the mess you got on 10.6, every time you had a lot of open windows.

On topic, I tried to revert to SL on my MBA, just because Coolbook does not work yet on Lion, and I couldn't, not even booting from the install DVD.
 
rev.b said:
And I DO like mission control. I think it integrated spaces and exposé just ok, and grouping the windows by app is much less confusing than the mess you got on 10.6, every time you had a lot of open windows.
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Again, depending on users, you'll either love it and wonder why Apple didn't do this sooner or hate it because it's counter-productive. Yes it presents your windows in a much more clean way but when you actually want to look and get to a window is where I think many are thinking "WTF Apple?"
 
Question! after i installed Lion GM, I did a backup thru the time machine. Now, i want to go back SL. Can I use it to reverse all my data and apps back to Snow Leopard?
 
theone09 said:
Question! after i installed Lion GM, I did a backup thru the time machine. Now, i want to go back SL. Can I use it to reverse all my data and apps back to Snow Leopard?
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I don't think it's as easy as going into Time Machine and reverting back. I believe you'll have to boot off your install disc and then select restore from Time Machine.
 
iLog.Genius said:
Again, depending on users, you'll either love it and wonder why Apple didn't do this sooner or hate it because it's counter-productive. Yes it presents your windows in a much more clean way but when you actually want to look and get to a window is where I think many are thinking "WTF Apple?"
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Why? I find that I can always find the window I want, even with lots of documents opened in Preview. Even if there are that many windows open with one app, just select anyone and then swipe 3 fingers down, and you get "app exposé", and it'll show every window open from that app.

I find it much more productive working like I do with like 10 pdf's opened in preview, plus 3 or 4 documents opened in M$ Word, 2 spreadsheets in excel, and 2 browser windows. In 10.6 exposé was a pain with this scenario, lots of tiny windows randomly put on the screen, I can find and switch to a window in less than half time I used to in SL, using Mission Control and App exposé.

The only thing I really miss is the ability to move one window between virtual desktops on the fly; you can do it once now from the desktop you are, but to move it again to another desktop you have to change to that desktop and launch mission control again.
 
I don't think that a new OS needs to be more ram hungry, or any other resource hungry. After using snow leopard again I doubt I will try lion again soon. My macbook ain't a speed demon but sure is fast enough to handle an os, but it dragged with lion, it might be driver issues or bad optimization, I don't know. Let's wait for 10.7.2, 10.7.3 or 10.8 Summer Lion or whatever they will call it.

Seems that due to beefy hardware, software developers no longer care to optimize software anymore.
 
I have Lion GM and SL on two partitions on the same drive on my iMac, I switch frequently back and forth.

Lion is great but I'm having issues with my Canon MX870 under Lion (wireless connection intermittently drops, never does under SL) and I don't like the new 1Password for Safari 5.1, I much prefer the current one (same version, 3.6.1) under SL and it's way less buggy too.

Whenever I'm in SL, the things I miss most from Lion are the new Mail, mission control, launchpad and that login screen. Otherwise I prefer SL for the time being.
 
rev.b said:
Why? I find that I can always find the window I want, even with lots of documents opened in Preview. Even if there are that many windows open with one app, just select anyone and then swipe 3 fingers down, and you get "app exposé", and it'll show every window open from that app.

I find it much more productive working like I do with like 10 pdf's opened in preview, plus 3 or 4 documents opened in M$ Word, 2 spreadsheets in excel, and 2 browser windows. In 10.6 exposé was a pain with this scenario, lots of tiny windows randomly put on the screen, I can find and switch to a window in less than half time I used to in SL, using Mission Control and App exposé.

The only thing I really miss is the ability to move one window between virtual desktops on the fly; you can do it once now from the desktop you are, but to move it again to another desktop you have to change to that desktop and launch mission control again.
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In your case, you find it productive which is fine. I don't see why I need to get into Mission Control, hover over the application I want to see windows for then expand to see all the windows associated with that application. A user has to more to do the same thing in Snow Leopard. Also, if you have a lot of windows, you won't see them all in Mission Control you'll have to go to App Expose. Which brings up my next point.

App Expose works the same as it did in Snow Leopard, no complaints here. The only problem I have is that to see EVERY windows for an application, I would have to select the application then use App Expose. For me that's counter-productive to what was in Snow Leopard. No matter where I was in the Snow Leopard and which application I had in the foreground, I could activate all windows expose and see all my applications running in a grid, including minimized windows vs. me having to find the application in Lion which is even a bigger annoyance if the application was minimized which means I could not even use expose at all.

The way I look at is, it's a hate it or love it feature. If you're not working with a lot of windows, I could see how one could get used to Mission Control but once you start adding windows, Mission Control becomes an annoyance that you don't want to deal with. As of right now in it's current state, I can't agree with Apple. Hopefully they refine it like how they refined expose in Snow Leopard from Leopard.
 
Question! after i installed Lion GM, I did a backup thru the time machine. Now, i want to go back SL. Can I use it to reverse all my data and apps back to Snow Leopard?
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10.6.8 doesn't recognize the encrypted TM-Partition from 10.7!
 
AAPLaday said:
Wow a lot of you guys have developer accounts. Might have to get one myself as im really impatient when it comes to new OSes :D
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You should, it's really cheap! :D

Eidorian said:
I want to like it but why can I not?
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There are features in Lion, like the new Mail.app, full screen mode, AirDrop. Those are a few of my favourites but there are others that are just disappointing and play a bigger role in how I use OS X to make me not want to an upgrade.
 
iLog.Genius said:
There are features in Lion, like the new Mail.app, full screen mode, AirDrop. Those are a few of my favourites but there are others that are just disappointing and play a bigger role in how I use OS X to make me not want to an upgrade.
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full screen could have been nice yes, but not in its current state. those goofy animations/transitions to full screen are sooooooooo slow and stuttering even when running on my nvidia 330. I am embarrassed to show them to my windows loving friends.

how hard can it be to make that move fluidly and if its too hard to do so just don't have it animate at all, saves about 0,5 second as well.
 
iLog.Genius said:
There are features in Lion, like the new Mail.app, full screen mode, AirDrop. Those are a few of my favourites but there are others that are just disappointing and play a bigger role in how I use OS X to make me not want to an upgrade.
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I do not use Mail.app (I have not for almost 5 years now.), I have not had much time to play with full screen but it takes the entire screen and the improvements in application usability are non-existent, and I am the only person within miles that uses a Mac much less one with Lion.

It is well worth $30. :rolleyes: I must admit that it is cute but cute shiny things are just pandering to the less fortunate. Also, inverted scrolling as default.
 
I'm sticking with it. Its working amazingly well (seriously, no issues of lag/battery life/anything).

I feel like all of the reported issues will be fixed in 1-2 software updates, honestly. so I'd like to see how many of you are back on Lion (or have upgraded) in a month or two.
 
I also tried the GM but i couldn't just get to grips with it and eventually grew tired of trying to like it. Wiped the partition and returned to SL...*calming sigh*

I'm likely gonna be skipping it.
 
JKK photography said:
I'm sticking with it. Its working amazingly well (seriously, no issues of lag/battery life/anything).

I feel like all of the reported issues will be fixed in 1-2 software updates, honestly. so I'd like to see how many of you are back on Lion (or have upgraded) in a month or two.
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I hope you are right. I don't really like the way steve is steering mac os x. At least make an pro version of the os and a dumb consumer friendly version. If apple keeps dumbing down the os many will stop using apple including me.
 
stefan1975 said:
full screen could have been nice yes, but not in its current state. those goofy animations/transitions to full screen are sooooooooo slow and stuttering even when running on my nvidia 330. I am embarrassed to show them to my windows loving friends.

how hard can it be to make that move fluidly and if its too hard to do so just don't have it animate at all, saves about 0,5 second as well.
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Eidorian said:
I do not use Mail.app (I have not for almost 5 years now.), I have not had much time to play with full screen but it takes the entire screen and the improvements in application usability are non-existent, and I am the only person within miles that uses a Mac much less one with Lion.

It is well worth $30. :rolleyes: I must admit that it is cute but cute shiny things are just pandering to the less fortunate. Also, inverted scrolling as default.
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I agree that the new animations and transitions are a bit much and are not needed and are only used as a "wow factor" to those who are looking for that. As for full screen, for me I'm not really looking at it to do anything extensive (but I won't complain if Apple improves it). I've only really used full screen when using Safari just to browse the web and not doing anything productive.
 
iLog.Genius said:
I agree that the new animations and transitions are a bit much and are not needed and are only used as a "wow factor" to those who are looking for that. As for full screen, for me I'm not really looking at it to do anything extensive (but I won't complain if Apple improves it). I've only really used full screen when using Safari just to browse the web and not doing anything productive.
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Fullscreen for Safari makes some sense until you hit a page that is fixed. Image editing another is another possibility.

The entire myopic, one application instance at a time screams pre-multitasking to me. I do not full screen my applications in any operating system I use when you are at a GUI.

The transitions are fluff. They do no really sway my opinion either way.
 
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