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Digital privacy is an illusion. We will soon have a social credit score like in China, as well as our financial credit score. Digital information is only safe if no one wants it, it is not safe because it is on an Apple device.

Welcome to our dystopian world. What is your social social score? Our social media companies have enough data to calculate one for you.

Just like the episode of Black Mirror on Netflix! People were denied flying club because their 'social' score was too low. They couldn't hire a car or rent an apartment because their 'social' score was too low - no matter how much money you had. Interesting stuff.
 
DriveSavers is also using strict identification protocols, in some cases requesting documents that include death certificates, probate documents, court documents, and more.
What documents can one present to prove one has any relationship to the owner of the iPhone you’re offering DriveSavers? Or do they unlock as far as identifying the owner and then pause to verify the customer? And what assurances does the customer get that DriveSavers won’t pass on the data to someone else or retain a data copy?
I assume it must be expensive. I have received via email, a $200 discount certificate on top of any partner discount for this service.
No need to assume. Right there in the headline.
Good for them!

So sick of Apple's ********.
Me too! Those pigs at Apple really get on my nerves prioritizing my privacy.
 
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Digital privacy is an illusion. We will soon have a social credit score like in China, as well as our financial credit score. Digital information is only safe if no one wants it, it is not safe because it is on an Apple device.

Welcome to our dystopian world. What is your social social score? Our social media companies have enough data to calculate one for you.

No doubt, privacy has been violated, by many people and/or institutions, but if privacy were an illusion, then nothing would have been violated in the first place, which we know is patently false.

As for China’s Social Credit system, the cultural differences between China and the West that spur such policy are vast, suggesting that such differences are an important factor to consider when assuming social policy might cross cultural barriers. For example, geopolitical evidence suggests that US legislation is drafting increased privacy standards inspired by the EU’s recent GDPR policies, which is directly opposite to China’s motives.

https://www.dataprotectionreport.co...ata-protection-laws-on-the-heels-of-the-gdpr/

Again, there is no doubt that we sometimes step backward with regard to data-related policy (e.g., the FCC’s decision on internet provider influence on data streaming), but, historically, we are actually moving toward better privacy protection.

Just my $0.02. Open to civil academic debate.
 
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I assume it must be expensive. I have received via email, a $200 discount certificate on top of any partner discount for this service.

You receive email from the beyond! Thought this was used for deceased people ;-)
 
The fact that they don't put up any specifics on what versions of iOS this can crack leads me to strongly suspect that iOS 12 cracked this thing permanently and they're just trying to wring the last bit of cash from this sunk investment by cashing in on stalker significant others and people trying to get dirt on their partners for a divorce settlement. Either that or they're using this as "plausible" deniability for when selling their services to dictatorships and other not-so-nice countries wanting to get access to journalists' and activists' phones.

I say the latter because it wouldn't be the first time a "good guy hacker"-company gets into bed with dictatorships. The company Hacking Team (yes, they're still called that) from Italy did just that and was pretty thoroughly embarrassed when they got hacked and all of their internal documents were put up on the web, exposing their extensive dealings with some very not-nice-at-all countries.
 
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As long as they keep this for their own there won't be an Apple fix or until someone else finds the same flaw.

I’m assuming Apple has a half dozen phones en route to DriveSavers right now. Likely not from a Cupertino address.

Like that's a deterrent, enter the undercover cop :eek:

Or worse, enter the National Security Letter.

I don't know many departments that can afford the $3900. Maybe the fed.

There are plenty of grants and funding available if it’s required for drug crime investigation.

If your loved one dies, and their phone is locked... and you don't know the passcode - can't you present the 'legal' paperwork to apple and get the iCloud back-up of whatever was backed up on the phone? So this is for people who have a loved one who died who didn't use iCloud back-up I guess? Seems like a great device for folks who steal iPhones and want to get info. BUT, just knowing this from can do it means, obviously, it can be done, so yeah. I agree with above, complete digital security and privacy is an illusion. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try and create it or try to work towards it, but by it's very nature it's endlessly able to be compromised.
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Given time and money any digital device will be crackable at some point in some way. It's the nature of the technology at this point. Just like anyone can get swab and get a copy of your DNA.

I believe you would need a court order. Apple presently allows for full deletion of your account with a death certificate though.

Someone should send an iPhone in with a 15 digit alphanumeric passcode and see what they say...

I trust Apple is doing this ASAP as are a bunch of government security folks.
 
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I’m assuming Apple has a half dozen phones en route to DriveSavers right now. Likely not from a Cupertino address.

That does not make sense, there won't be anything done to the internal firmware/software iPhone and even if that was the case they could easily remove it so it can't be discovered.


Your Apple Watch heart rate monitor will tell it.

So, your porn/data gets wiped each and every time you charge it.:rolleyes:

No need to assume. Right there in the headline.

Article was updated....
 
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Maybe not if they keep the hack out of Apple's greedy claws.

This is one of the worst uses of "greedy" I've seen. Striving to fix security exploits is not greedy.
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Still won't work if the lightning port has disabled after an hour

I don't think that's in evidence at this point? This could involve disassembly and reassembly, and it could be the lightning port isn't touched at all.
 
Another demonstration of Tim Cook's commitment to security.

If you want to use an eGPU with your new Mac Mini you have to disable filevault encryption.

Tomorrow's another day and probably we'll learn of a new way into our Apple machines by law enforcement or whomever.
 
That does not make sense, there won't be anything done to the internal firmware/software iPhone and even if that was the case they could easily remove it so it can't be discovered.

How do you know?
 
Like that's a deterrent, enter the undercover cop :eek:

Or "enter with a court order"! :).

Your choice is do it, or go to jail for contempt.
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I had a great one-liner for this, but I don't need the ban. You'll have to trust me on this.

Can you spell it out to avoid the ban? Lol

If the Apple Watch series 4 ECG shows no heartbeat (while being worn), then the iPhone might know it.
 
What documents can one present to prove one has any relationship to the owner of the iPhone you’re offering DriveSavers? Or do they unlock as far as identifying the owner and then pause to verify the customer? And what assurances does the customer get that DriveSavers won’t pass on the data to someone else or retain a data copy?

No need to assume. Right there in the headline.

Me too! Those pigs at Apple really get on my nerves prioritizing my privacy.

Actually they don't prioritize your privacy. You think they do.
 
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