Drone Videographer Duncan Sinfield: 'Only a Matter of Time' Until Apple Park Shuts Down Drone Flights

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Duncan Sinfield says that piloting his drones over Apple Park has become increasingly difficult in the past few weeks, and that he believes it's "only a matter of time until the campus becomes shut-off to drones completely." Sinfield's comment on Apple Park security comes in the text description of a new video that he uploaded today, where he talks about the response that he's been getting to drone piloting over the campus.

    The drone videographer says that security "generally responds" to his precise takeoff location "in 10 minutes or less." He speculates that Apple has set up a geofence of some kind and that the company could be tracking all drone flights near the campus in an effort to lower the amount of eyes on Apple Park. He further guesses that Apple might be using technology from a company like Dedrone, which describes itself as "the airspace security platform that detects, classifies, and mitigates all drone threats."
    Last summer, multiple reports emerged about Apple Park security's first efforts at stopping drone pilots from accessing the airspace above the campus. Despite those attempts, drone update videos have been consistently uploaded to YouTube by multiple videographers, including Sinfield and Matthew Roberts. Apple Park's latest stance on drones appears to be a bit more strict this time around, and follows a recently leaked memo from the company that warned employees against leaking details about future devices to the media.

    Besides the security-focused topic of the description, Sinfield's video today is an extended update providing the usual coverage of Apple Park. The campus looks essentially complete except for a few remaining dirt mounds and empty landscaping areas outside of the main spaceship building and near the Steve Jobs Theater. Apple Park has become increasingly busy since more employees began moving in earlier this year, with the campus providing a backdrop for executive interviews as well as housing CEO Tim Cook's own office.

    In another drone video posted back in February, Matthew Roberts captured a drone that malfunctioned and crashed among the solar panels covering the roof of Apple Park.

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  2. MrGuder macrumors 68030

    Nov 30, 2012
  3. CerebralX macrumors 6502


    Jun 28, 2013
    Looking for a place of freedom and rationality
    Can you blame them? It's private property and can become a safety hazard to people walking on campus. There are also privacy concerns of course.
  4. Heineken macrumors 6502a


    Jan 27, 2018
    But Apple doesn't own airspace around campus, do they?
  5. ZacNicholson macrumors 6502a


    Jun 25, 2011
  6. whooleytoo macrumors 604


    Aug 2, 2002
    Cork, Ireland.
    We'll soon have Apple interceptor drones shooting down spy-drones in the skies over Cupertino. It'd make great TV, shown in VR!
  7. justperry macrumors G3


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    No but the comment above you has some good points.
  8. swingerofbirch macrumors 68040

    Oct 24, 2003
    The Amalgamated States of Central North America
    They owe him a debt of gratitude for the gorgeous videos he made. Beautiful photography, music, and interspersed with Steve Jobs audio.

    To be honest, Apple hasn't done a lot to really make me interested in them in a long time (in fact, I sometimes go to archive.org to revisit some exciting moments from Apple's past). But his videos were magical, to borrow an overused term from Tim Cook.
  9. az431 macrumors 65816


    Sep 13, 2008
    Portland, OR
    Good point. I’ll come over and hover my drone 10 feet above your house 24/7.
  10. Tuckrat macrumors member


    Dec 14, 2008
    New Hampshire, USA
  11. MacManiac1 macrumors regular


    Sep 7, 2017
    Beautiful video. Beautiful building and landscaping.
  12. sofila macrumors 6502a


    Jan 19, 2006
    Ramtop Mountains
    Some will find one, there's always a way to blame Apple
  13. pika2000 macrumors 601

    Jun 22, 2007
    Please post your address so we can have drones recording your house and its backyard, and upload them for public watching on Youtube.
  14. GrumpyMom macrumors 604


    Sep 11, 2014
    Well if Apple decides they want to commission a video of their property for some reason, they will know whom to hire. That would be a nice situation for both sides.
  15. ssgbryan macrumors 6502a


    Jul 18, 2002
    Let me know when Apple makes a computer that can do VR.
  16. Maury macrumors 6502

    Mar 25, 2008
    > like Dedrone, which describes itself as "the airspace security platform that detects, classifies, and mitigates all drone threats

    Pfft, RF only. A GPS pre-programmed flight is impervious.
  17. Kabeyun macrumors 68000


    Mar 27, 2004
    Eastern USA
    If anyone can figure out how to engineer a solar-powered, eco-friendly antiaircraft battery, Apple can.
  18. citysnaps macrumors 601

    Oct 10, 2011
    San Francisco
    How's that?
  19. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Nope. All airspace is federally controlled. Specifically, Apple Park is under the Class C airspace of San Jose Airport, meaning aircraft cannot enter it without contacting ATC. The only reason why drones are allowed to fly over Apple Park currently is that an exception, called a NOTAM, was requested. The text of the NOTAM:

    NOTAM UAS Operating Area SJC_08/052
    DEFINED AS .5NM RADIUS OF 371900N1220033W (4.5NM SW SJC)
    SFC-700FT (SFC-400FT AGL) DLY 1500-2259 1708171500-1806302259.

    We don't know who requested the NOTAM in the first place, but it will expire June 30, and presumably not be renewed by the FAA. That's when drone flights will end over Apple Park, and the reason they will end. But good luck ending the meaningless speculation. This isn't the first time I've tried.
  20. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    And despite this guy warning people, without his video we would't really know what Apple Campus looked like.

    Seems like a double-edged dagger.

    Besides, he should be happy. Why would you wanna continue after its fully finished.... What "more" could you show that havan't been done already ?
  21. Wsidewarrior07 macrumors member

    Mar 19, 2009

    If the pilot is part 107 certified and has an Airspace Authorization for the SJC class C Airspace there isn't much Apple can do. He's operating within his legal authority as an FAA licensed UAS operator. The only exception would be if he was being unsafe in the airspace. Otherwise... there's not a darn thing Apple can do to "restrict" their own airspace, about the only thing they could do is prohibit take off and landing from their property, but if he takes off on a public sidewalk across the street.... tough cookies.
  22. daveup2bat macrumors member


    Sep 1, 2009
    you can just set your home point to the controller not your launch location, so once the drone is in the air, you can move locations and they won't know where to find you. The drone will return to the controller, not to the origin of the take off. simple! #Knowyourdrone :)
  23. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    I agree that Apple doesn't control any airspace, but my point is this authorization to operate drones over their property is currently made by NOTAM, so any drone pilot can do so without further permission from anybody. Once the NOTAM expires, the FAA probably won't have any cause to renew it. It's always possible that they will, and I suppose always possible that the controlling ATC (NORCAL Approach) will provide an authorization of their own, but I don't see why they would.
  24. Detektiv-Pinky macrumors 6502a


    Feb 25, 2006
    Berlin, Germany
    Sure they can, but if it takes them as long as putting together an update for the Mac mini, flying drones will be safe for a very long time to come... ;)

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