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Dual 1.8 Ghz G5
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Re: Bring on the dual 1.8's
That is what I was saying from the beginning. Or, that there should be single processor 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0GHz machines with the option of upgrading to dual processors, at any speed, for couple/few hundred dollars more, like what Dell does.
Re: Re: Bring on the dual 1.8's
You can't be serious!? The G4 in PowerMacs is dead, just like OS 9. If you paid attention to Apple's earnings reports you would know that G4 PM's were dead even before the G5 was announced. Sales weren't stagnant, but going down, way down. There is not PowerMac Matrix insofar as different processors are concerned, there is the G5 and nothing else.
I've used a G5.
They are very quiet.🙂 VERY quiet !
The G5 doesn't seem to pump out much heat. My dual 867 MDD seems to put out more.
As for the Heat output and heatsinks, fans etc, in my opinion ... the present G5 case can probably handle dual 3 Ghz processors (or more) 🙂
(Didn't Steve say ... we should see 3GHz within a year 🙂 )
Simply put, the G5 seems very well engineered.
My p4 is deadly silent. granted it's a p4 1.8@2.4ghz AND it's overclocked on stock HSF. The p4 heatsinks (even their newer) ones are some of the quietest out there. My pc is very quiet and only has a few fans in it. I've found that PSU and hard drive noise (unless you have some screaming fan on your heatsink) are the two loudest factors of a pc, but they're easy to quiet.
idea_hamster
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Re: Re: Re: Bring on the dual 1.8's
This suggests to me that Apple has decided to carry the burden of the OS 9 hangers-on -- let the resellers clear out their G4 inventory and if people really want a new machine that boots OS 9, let them come to Apple (with more warehousing/shipping flexibility than resellers).
Eventually, I would expect the G5 and G4 prices to be basically the same. I.e., you want the best PowerMac, it's $2500-$3000 -- whether you want to run OS 9 (with a 2x1.25 G4) or OS X (with a 2x2.0 G5). New buyers will naturally gravitate to the (clearly) better deal, and replacers will get the message that Apple thinks they're using antique equipment.
Besides, didn't we hear that the G5 chip actually cost Apple less than the G4?
I think I have to agree, ever since I noticed that catalogue Mac resellers (e.g., ClubMac) have cut G4 P'Mac prices while the Apple on-line store hasn't.
This suggests to me that Apple has decided to carry the burden of the OS 9 hangers-on -- let the resellers clear out their G4 inventory and if people really want a new machine that boots OS 9, let them come to Apple (with more warehousing/shipping flexibility than resellers).
Eventually, I would expect the G5 and G4 prices to be basically the same. I.e., you want the best PowerMac, it's $2500-$3000 -- whether you want to run OS 9 (with a 2x1.25 G4) or OS X (with a 2x2.0 G5). New buyers will naturally gravitate to the (clearly) better deal, and replacers will get the message that Apple thinks they're using antique equipment.
Besides, didn't we hear that the G5 chip actually cost Apple less than the G4?
Have you even heard the 2GHz? Comparing it to the P4 is ridiculous. Intel and AMD got into a speed war and as MHz climbs, as well as power usage and heat generated. Intel makes the most inefficient chips; even the successor to the P4 coming out his fall takes over 100watts. Takes two 2GHz 970 processors built on the .13 micron process and they will consume less power and generate less heat then a single P4 successor built on the .09 micron process. The P4 at 3.06GHz draws ~45 amps and ~69 watts and power dissipation of 85 watts. The system and case design are also not very well thought out in regards to noise.
Using the proper fans and case the noise can be cut down considerably. Having the RAM facing the right direction, the cooling fins on the processors, removing unneeded cables, etc. all play a part. Look inside you peecee and see how much thought went into its design. Does it have variably speed fans, or just low, medium and high?
This really annoys me about some mac people. You are the consumer right? You should want choice and a good deal. If you really want to piss away money just to help apples stock send them cash or buy software since software is basically all profit after the initial r&d.
Apple has a history of not offering options that I think they should. I think the G5 lineup should be all have an option of dual or single cpu. In the past when I have considered buying a g4 tower they always do something to discourage me like only offering the top end as dual. Now I dont want to pay a premium for the latest, faster cpu. If they sold a dual 1.6 I would buy it, but to have to pay 3000 for a dual machine is too much for me so thats a lost sale.
BTW, dell is not having a problem with sales and with the dual machines they sell you can get single or dual on any cpu speed.
It will indeed probably be better with two cpus, but as I said, it should stay responsive even with only one.
Sun Baked
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"The P4 at 3.06GHz draws ~45 amps"
Wouldn't that require a custom enclosure, and force you to plug it into the clothes dryer outlet.
I though the common service in houses was something like a 15 amp circuit, with the clothes dryer and oven running something a little bit higher.
Plugging a 45 amp processor into the wall would create some problems, and a dual machine would cause blackouts. 😉
And that electricians bill every time you move the machine from room to room. 😱
I'm assuming the OS is well written in this case (could be wrong of course). But in most current mainstream operating systems, an application can hog a cpu if it wants to (a simple loop should do the trick). It doesn't mean that nothing else will work, but the system becomes quite slow.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bring on the dual 1.8's
The G4 Powermac prices *have* been cut on the online Apple store (compared to the price before the G5 was announced).
The G4 Powermac prices *have* been cut on the online Apple store (compared to the price before the G5 was announced).
HE joy
Cheers; I'm all over that one (Dave Renton - very helpful bloke). That's why I can stretch to a dual 2.0 GIg...you know, that and selling my soul to the Prince of Darkness.
Brother Mugga
PS r.e. caveman's post:
It all depends if you can sneak a 50lb computer past customs and not pay taxes on it.
No probs. I'm going on holiday with my ex. I'll just get her to swallow it...
PPS: r.e. oingoboing's post:
BTW, it's only 10pm here...not bedtime yet.
Bugger. I forgot about BST. That almost screwed me on watching the WWDC too. Mind you, I'm always always tucked up with a Horlicks by 10.00. Your mummy must be very lenient...
Just been watching England get spanked by the South Africans, by the way. Brave New World my arse...
Cheers; I'm all over that one (Dave Renton - very helpful bloke). That's why I can stretch to a dual 2.0 GIg...you know, that and selling my soul to the Prince of Darkness.
Brother Mugga
PS r.e. caveman's post:
It all depends if you can sneak a 50lb computer past customs and not pay taxes on it.
No probs. I'm going on holiday with my ex. I'll just get her to swallow it...
PPS: r.e. oingoboing's post:
BTW, it's only 10pm here...not bedtime yet.
Bugger. I forgot about BST. That almost screwed me on watching the WWDC too. Mind you, I'm always always tucked up with a Horlicks by 10.00. Your mummy must be very lenient...
Just been watching England get spanked by the South Africans, by the way. Brave New World my arse...
from the start
they should have all been dual from the start with an october release date and all the same motherboard.
2x1.6+2x1.8x2x2.0 at the same prices.
big mistake on apple's partas the duals barely beat the single g4, i suspect the singles to get clobbered esp in fps games which or not optimized for altivec and duals except quake 3
oh well
they should have all been dual from the start with an october release date and all the same motherboard.
2x1.6+2x1.8x2x2.0 at the same prices.
big mistake on apple's partas the duals barely beat the single g4, i suspect the singles to get clobbered esp in fps games which or not optimized for altivec and duals except quake 3
oh well
groovebuster
macrumors 65816
No, you are wrong... simple physics. Watt = Volt * Ampère. The lower the Voltage goes, the more electricity has to flow through a cable to get the same Watts. Since the modern processors are all on diet regarding voltage, 45A sounds pretty likely.
Again, it depends on the voltage... Here in Germany we have only 6A circuits. Since we have 230V and not 110V, it is the same regarding used power.
The only reason why a processor would cause a black out would be that you get a short circuit immediately if there is no transformer involved! 😉
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Oh well...
groovebuster
Abstract
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This is great news, but this is the way it should have been all along. They shouldn't even have a single proc 1.8GHz machine at the price they're fixing the dual machine at. Who wouldn't pay the extra $150 to get the dual?
The should have started with a $1800 1.6GHz machine, $2300 dual 1.6GHz machine, dual 1.8GHz machine for $2600, and a dual 2.0GHz machine for $3000. I think the prices are fine, but the selection Apple gave us was iffy.
The should have started with a $1800 1.6GHz machine, $2300 dual 1.6GHz machine, dual 1.8GHz machine for $2600, and a dual 2.0GHz machine for $3000. I think the prices are fine, but the selection Apple gave us was iffy.
I think the line up is cramped with a dual 1.8GHz and this is why.....
If you configure the 1.6GHz to match the 1.8.GHz (extra 256MB and 160GB HD) you have a machine costing 2249. FRom the 2399 of the 1.8GHz is 150$ difference. This sounds reasonable given you have a 10% faster bus and a 10% faster CPU. However adding an extra 1.8GHz chip - with a conservative extra 60% performance 1.6GHz has no reason to exist unless it drops an extra couple hundrend dollars. In my opinion 1999 is too high for the 1.6GHz and does not leave much room for other configurations like a double 1.8GHz.
I think Apple should decrease the price point of 1.6 quite a bit. An entry level 1.6GHz G5 is something they need to lure customers but if you think about it they are still way behind. Even if we consider that G5 processor is 1.5 times faster than an Intel P4 at the same clock speed the 1.6GHz looks too expensive. I saw recently an ad of a Sony machine with a 2.4GHz processor 15" LCD DVDR 60GB HD and yes a crappy graphics card but it costed only 899$. Even if you put a better graphics card on the sony and change the HD you still pay double for the Mac. Financially makes sense to very very few people.
I believe that they should advertise their 1.6GHz as a competitor to Wintel machines. At the end the HDs are the same Graphics cards can be the same memory can be the same sound cards also. So a PC user that cares about configurability and upgradability can see a 1.6GHz as the test bed to try Macs but not at 1999$. Someone said for a starting price of 1500$ I agree. Still much more expensive than a Wintel but not double. I think the 1999$ is targeted to cash strapped Mac fans and it is not going to generate "Switchers" although it has the potential....
If you configure the 1.6GHz to match the 1.8.GHz (extra 256MB and 160GB HD) you have a machine costing 2249. FRom the 2399 of the 1.8GHz is 150$ difference. This sounds reasonable given you have a 10% faster bus and a 10% faster CPU. However adding an extra 1.8GHz chip - with a conservative extra 60% performance 1.6GHz has no reason to exist unless it drops an extra couple hundrend dollars. In my opinion 1999 is too high for the 1.6GHz and does not leave much room for other configurations like a double 1.8GHz.
I think Apple should decrease the price point of 1.6 quite a bit. An entry level 1.6GHz G5 is something they need to lure customers but if you think about it they are still way behind. Even if we consider that G5 processor is 1.5 times faster than an Intel P4 at the same clock speed the 1.6GHz looks too expensive. I saw recently an ad of a Sony machine with a 2.4GHz processor 15" LCD DVDR 60GB HD and yes a crappy graphics card but it costed only 899$. Even if you put a better graphics card on the sony and change the HD you still pay double for the Mac. Financially makes sense to very very few people.
I believe that they should advertise their 1.6GHz as a competitor to Wintel machines. At the end the HDs are the same Graphics cards can be the same memory can be the same sound cards also. So a PC user that cares about configurability and upgradability can see a 1.6GHz as the test bed to try Macs but not at 1999$. Someone said for a starting price of 1500$ I agree. Still much more expensive than a Wintel but not double. I think the 1999$ is targeted to cash strapped Mac fans and it is not going to generate "Switchers" although it has the potential....
It takes 45 amps but the voltage is 1.5 to 1.525. Your typical out has 110 volts at 15 amps, which equates to 1650 watts. The CPU equates to ~69 watts. One P4 is 15 watts away from a dual 2GHz.
Just wait for Prescott. You can have dual 2GHz G5's and still use less power; 21% less. Intel should get into the hair dryer business; the king is still the Itanic at 160 watts. Rumors say Prescott is ~106 watts; which is higher then Intel had hoped for.
A clothes dryer is 220 volts at 20 to 30 amps. They can be 110 volts if its gas.
Exactly. Not having the midrange model be a dual causes problems. I would have made the 1.6 start at $1700 with a combo drive (really only $100 less since the Superdrive is $200, but it looks better). Then have a dual 1.8 for $2500 and the dual 2.0 for $3000. That gives a nice spread of price points and I could see strong demand for all three. With Apple's current setup, neither the 1.6 nor the 1.8 are very appealing. The 1.6 is too crippled (no PCI-X, 4GB limit, slower RAM) for the price, and most people who can afford the 1.8 for $2400 are going to be able to pay $600 extra to more than double the performance. This is why the dual 2.0 is selling far more than the others, which is very likely to result in IBM having too many 1.6 and 1.8 chips and not enough 2.0s.
1.8 FOR HOW MUCH!?!?!
Excuse me, but as an eighteen-year Mac user, I'm fed up with Apple pricing. I can buy a PC with a THREE YEAR WARRANTY, DUAL 2.2-GHz, LOADED, for LESS THAN $1500. Including the OS.
I think it's time to switch. It's fu*&%$ing RIDICULOUS to pay OVER THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for a modest-speed Macintosh. And don't give me the "The G5 is the fastest PC" crap--everybody knows it's not true.
Excuse me, but as an eighteen-year Mac user, I'm fed up with Apple pricing. I can buy a PC with a THREE YEAR WARRANTY, DUAL 2.2-GHz, LOADED, for LESS THAN $1500. Including the OS.
I think it's time to switch. It's fu*&%$ing RIDICULOUS to pay OVER THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for a modest-speed Macintosh. And don't give me the "The G5 is the fastest PC" crap--everybody knows it's not true.
Wonder Boy
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I agree. Maybe the 1.6 will be for schools who want to upgrade media labs, not nessasarily art department systems, but dorm labs or high school media centers. If i had a 1.6 in my high school back in the day,i would have gotten a lot more done than on 8500 or whatever it was. I know at uconn ( i just graduated) I would have killed for a 1.6 instead of the dell's we had in the geography lab. For those who have used arcview and other gis programs, you know what im talking about. i see the 1.6 as the high speed relatively low cost let get things down fast machine.
First getting Final Cut Express for "free" ( trading in my old Premiere disc ) and now rumors of a dual 1.8.
I think I found my new Mac. 🙂
I think I found my new Mac. 🙂
Dual G5
They didn't want to do Duals all across the line because they weren't sure which ones would sell the best. They didn't want to shoot themselves in the foot in reguards to not having enough processors.
However, they now know what sells best, and are adjusting their gameplan.
Jaedreth
They didn't want to do Duals all across the line because they weren't sure which ones would sell the best. They didn't want to shoot themselves in the foot in reguards to not having enough processors.
However, they now know what sells best, and are adjusting their gameplan.
Jaedreth