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Dual 1.8 Ghz G5
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I'd still get the 2x2.0 (although I'm not a preorder ... still waiting on the funds to buy my G5, and it prob won't be until at least December ... 🙁 ... or 🙂 depending on how you look at it 🙂 )
10% less processing power (and 10% less FSB) is not worth the $500 to me.
I don't think Apple would lose all their 2.0 customers. Should help "thin the demand" a little and at the very least make customers a little more happy, though.
Temporary or not it is foolish on Apples part to have only one machine with SMP in their pro line. This should be taken as further evidence that Apple simply doesn't understand their customers needs.
The high sales numbers of the G5 probally have more to do with its SMP capabilities than its extra 200 MHz of speed. Customer inteligent enough to make use of OS/X and understand its capabilities, would not be likely to settle for anything less (SMP that is). Apple has a whole differrent line of PC's for those that do not demonstrate a need for the advance features of OS/X.
A price drop would be fantastic. On the other hand I would really like to see a couple of more drive bays in the machine.
If the presale numbers are accurate it will be very interesting to see how Apple and IBM respond to the demand. If they perform poorly there will be alot of angery customers out there. On the other hand if they get through this period of time without to many scares, it may be a sign of a bigger turn around than people may have imagined. One thing Apple shouldn't do though is to go around asking customers, that have already purchased a 2GHz G5, if they would like to change their order to a lesser machine. This recalls to many images from the Motorola days.
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Dave
The high sales numbers of the G5 probally have more to do with its SMP capabilities than its extra 200 MHz of speed. Customer inteligent enough to make use of OS/X and understand its capabilities, would not be likely to settle for anything less (SMP that is). Apple has a whole differrent line of PC's for those that do not demonstrate a need for the advance features of OS/X.
A price drop would be fantastic. On the other hand I would really like to see a couple of more drive bays in the machine.
If the presale numbers are accurate it will be very interesting to see how Apple and IBM respond to the demand. If they perform poorly there will be alot of angery customers out there. On the other hand if they get through this period of time without to many scares, it may be a sign of a bigger turn around than people may have imagined. One thing Apple shouldn't do though is to go around asking customers, that have already purchased a 2GHz G5, if they would like to change their order to a lesser machine. This recalls to many images from the Motorola days.
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Dave
It's a Power thing.... P=IE
45 amps at 2 vdc is way different than 45 amps of 120vac. Do the math.
I have not idea if a P4 draws 45amps or not. If it did so at 2vdc that is about 90watts. Lot different than drawing 45amps at 120vac which would be about 5,400watts.
That's my story and I am sticking to it....
45 amps at 2 vdc is way different than 45 amps of 120vac. Do the math.
I have not idea if a P4 draws 45amps or not. If it did so at 2vdc that is about 90watts. Lot different than drawing 45amps at 120vac which would be about 5,400watts.
That's my story and I am sticking to it....
fourthtunz
macrumors 68000
Re: 1.8 FOR HOW MUCH!?!?!
Hey Wondermite, I also love macs but think they should checkity-check their pricing😀
As many have already stated, the low end machine should be lower priced. That said I think that Mac towers are Pro all the way!
Remember a quality Pc like a sony or alien can cost as much or more than a mac, and they don't come with the Mac OS, Mac included software or Mac styling. These are items that are a part of why I am willing to pay more for a Mac.
I'd like to see Apple start the 1.8's with a gig of ram, to soften the blow though😎
daniel
Hey Wondermite, I also love macs but think they should checkity-check their pricing😀
As many have already stated, the low end machine should be lower priced. That said I think that Mac towers are Pro all the way!
Remember a quality Pc like a sony or alien can cost as much or more than a mac, and they don't come with the Mac OS, Mac included software or Mac styling. These are items that are a part of why I am willing to pay more for a Mac.
I'd like to see Apple start the 1.8's with a gig of ram, to soften the blow though😎
daniel
More duals
I am planning on getting a new Power Mac. I definitely want PCI-X, so the single 1.6 GHz machine is out. Given the quality of the dual-processor support in Mac OS X I would prefer a dual processor machine, but $2,999 is more than I am willing to pay.
My current plan is to purchase a single 1.8 GHz machine, but if I could instead choose a dual 1.6 GHz or dual 1.8 GHz machine with PCI-X support then I would switch to that.
I think it would even make sense to replace the single 1.8 GHz machine with a dual 1.6 GHz (with PCI-X) in the product line.
I am planning on getting a new Power Mac. I definitely want PCI-X, so the single 1.6 GHz machine is out. Given the quality of the dual-processor support in Mac OS X I would prefer a dual processor machine, but $2,999 is more than I am willing to pay.
My current plan is to purchase a single 1.8 GHz machine, but if I could instead choose a dual 1.6 GHz or dual 1.8 GHz machine with PCI-X support then I would switch to that.
I think it would even make sense to replace the single 1.8 GHz machine with a dual 1.6 GHz (with PCI-X) in the product line.
And there was much rejoicing...
Louie dog gives the dual Paws up.
This rumor must become reality... 😀
Louie dog gives the dual Paws up.
This rumor must become reality... 😀
I couldn't agree more. Apple is learning the hard way just who there pro customers are. considering OS/X and the applications many pros use on these machines SMP should be standard on almost all of the pro machines.
The IMac can remain a single processor machine for awhile.
It is rahter sad to see Apple mis the obat on this one. Maybe if they weren't so secretive and interfaced more with customers they would not blow things so badly.
Dave
The IMac can remain a single processor machine for awhile.
It is rahter sad to see Apple mis the obat on this one. Maybe if they weren't so secretive and interfaced more with customers they would not blow things so badly.
Dave
Agree
The Apple market is frail, they need to understand their market very well.
But things are heading in the right direction, I think most Mac users are very happy about their platform these days. 🙂
MattG
macrumors 68040
I think it'd be a little crazy on Apple's part to call everyone who has already ordered the DP 2.0ghz and say, "Hey, would you like to buy this computer for less money?" I think if anything, they should just announce it's availability and leave it at that. Let people decide for themselves. The G5's aren't going to be shipping for at least another month. No matter whether they ordered it from Apple or from another dealer, they can always cancel it and order the DP 1.8ghz if they feel so inclined.
I ordered mine through the ADC program, so I already received a pretty nice discount. I don't know what kind of price a DP 1.8ghz would sell for through this program, but if it were, say, $300 less, I might jump on it. Even after the discount, I'm still having trouble justifying spending this much money on the DP 2ghz. However, like other people have mentioned, it feels silly to buy a 1.6 or 1.8. The 1.6 doesn't have several of the features that the other two models have, so that one's out completely. Then you compare the 1.8 to the DP 2.0, and it seems silly NOT to spend the extra money. By spending a few more bucks, you're getting a LOT more machine.
They need an "in-between" model with DP.
Yes I hope peole are not mis understanding me the pro line is finally moving in the right dirrection.
But considering all of that the G5 still are not, in my opinion built well for the customers they are targeting. These customers love SMP and OS/X and perofromance. They would also love a machine that had a little expansion potential.
It appears that the 2GHz G5 is selling so well due to its SMP capability and maybe the extra 200MHz. Maybe even Intel and ADM will wake up to the reality of SMP in desktop (non server applicaitons) systems. The issue is, form my perspective, how well will these machines sell in a few months time when the power user lemming demand has worn off and people with clearer minds enter the market. It is at this point when the customer that truely evaluates his purchases comes into the market that the G5's configuration should be judged.
Frankly I find it hard to even understand to whom the 1.6 GHz machine is being marketed to. So expect to see that disappearing soon. The 1.8 GHz machine should have the entry level spot single processor at around $1500 and a dually for arround $2000 with extra memory.
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dave
But considering all of that the G5 still are not, in my opinion built well for the customers they are targeting. These customers love SMP and OS/X and perofromance. They would also love a machine that had a little expansion potential.
It appears that the 2GHz G5 is selling so well due to its SMP capability and maybe the extra 200MHz. Maybe even Intel and ADM will wake up to the reality of SMP in desktop (non server applicaitons) systems. The issue is, form my perspective, how well will these machines sell in a few months time when the power user lemming demand has worn off and people with clearer minds enter the market. It is at this point when the customer that truely evaluates his purchases comes into the market that the G5's configuration should be judged.
Frankly I find it hard to even understand to whom the 1.6 GHz machine is being marketed to. So expect to see that disappearing soon. The 1.8 GHz machine should have the entry level spot single processor at around $1500 and a dually for arround $2000 with extra memory.
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dave
In Agreement
Yeah, I think they should ditch the 1.6GHz tower, make 1.8 single, 1.8 dual, and 2.0 dual, keep the current prices.
Then make the PowerBooks on their G5 rev as 1, 1.3, and 1.6 GHz.
Jaedreth
Yeah, I think they should ditch the 1.6GHz tower, make 1.8 single, 1.8 dual, and 2.0 dual, keep the current prices.
Then make the PowerBooks on their G5 rev as 1, 1.3, and 1.6 GHz.
Jaedreth
MattG
macrumors 68040
Does anyone know if there are specs I can download comparing the 3 models of G5's to each other? Like I want to know how, for example, a single 1.8ghz G5 runs Photoshop in comparison to a dual 2.0ghz G5, or how well each runs VPC...It's hard to judge. I realize that 2x the processors doesn't necessarily mean 2x the throughput. Ok, so then how much more throughput then?
Questions
These type of questions really can't be answered until we get our hands on them.
However, Panther should make far more effective use of a dual G5's capabilities, so I would buy a dual too, if I could.
Jaedreth
These type of questions really can't be answered until we get our hands on them.
However, Panther should make far more effective use of a dual G5's capabilities, so I would buy a dual too, if I could.
Jaedreth
take a deep breath
I'm having difficulty with most of the comments regarding the product mix from Apple. For years, all I heard was complaints that Apple wasn't keeping up. Now, there is no question that Apple is at parity with wintel, and some OSX applications are demonstrating clear performance superiority.
Don't like the configurations? Don't like the mix? Don't like the pricing? Then wait. This is a new product that hasn't even been delivered yet, and there is obviously plenty of demand for the 2.0 dual. If there isn't demand for a 1.6 or 1.8 single, then Apple will find that out real quick, and create a lower speed dual, as per the rumor.
Myself, I'm waiting for the big guns to deliver some engineering software before I buy, and I can wait until the 980 shows up if need be. Still, nobody has a gun to my head to buy one.
I'm having difficulty with most of the comments regarding the product mix from Apple. For years, all I heard was complaints that Apple wasn't keeping up. Now, there is no question that Apple is at parity with wintel, and some OSX applications are demonstrating clear performance superiority.
Don't like the configurations? Don't like the mix? Don't like the pricing? Then wait. This is a new product that hasn't even been delivered yet, and there is obviously plenty of demand for the 2.0 dual. If there isn't demand for a 1.6 or 1.8 single, then Apple will find that out real quick, and create a lower speed dual, as per the rumor.
Myself, I'm waiting for the big guns to deliver some engineering software before I buy, and I can wait until the 980 shows up if need be. Still, nobody has a gun to my head to buy one.
Re: 1.8 FOR HOW MUCH!?!?!
http://www.applelust.com/oped/amc/archives/amc030718.shtml
read.
once you've read, and not before, go ahead and write back.
as to everything, yeah, it can be pricey. which is why i'm using a mac that's 5 years old and os9. unless i sudenly find someone who feels like giving me a newer mac (you can guess how often that's happened), the price is a killer.
but i still don't complain, and here's why.
you get exactally what you pay for.
everyone can complain about comparisons to cars, but good golly. you can buy a kia for under 10k. it has a 10 year warranty, an engine of normal size, and even 4 wheels.
you buy a caddy, you pay several times that. you get a shorter warranty period, a larger more powerful engine, and four wheels.
*cough*
both will get you from point a to point b.
but it's a totally different experience.
so i feel your pain. but that doesn't change too much. i'd love it if we had a 1200 dollar option, other than a stripped ibook...
matt
http://www.applelust.com/oped/amc/archives/amc030718.shtml
read.
once you've read, and not before, go ahead and write back.
as to everything, yeah, it can be pricey. which is why i'm using a mac that's 5 years old and os9. unless i sudenly find someone who feels like giving me a newer mac (you can guess how often that's happened), the price is a killer.
but i still don't complain, and here's why.
you get exactally what you pay for.
everyone can complain about comparisons to cars, but good golly. you can buy a kia for under 10k. it has a 10 year warranty, an engine of normal size, and even 4 wheels.
you buy a caddy, you pay several times that. you get a shorter warranty period, a larger more powerful engine, and four wheels.
*cough*
both will get you from point a to point b.
but it's a totally different experience.
so i feel your pain. but that doesn't change too much. i'd love it if we had a 1200 dollar option, other than a stripped ibook...
matt
MattG
macrumors 68040
Well, my reasoning in buying the DP 2Ghz is that it'll be the last desktop I buy in a LONG time, and it's going to be able to do everything I want...and FAST. I want to be able to do things like run iTunes, Word, Safari, and Photoshop at the same time without it dragging (like it does on my iMac and like it did on my old Powerbook). Plus, I want a computer that can run VPC at a decent speed so I can get rid of my Windows PC altogether.
unfortunately, you might be waiting a while on that last one until emulation programs get a little bit more up to snuff. i don't know if even dual g5's can speed vpc up to a respectable speed...
matt
That would depend on the application and how well it was written. No system can scale vertically, where two processors is twice as fast as one, they can get close though. If the application is not designed for multiple processors, then it will only utilize one processor.
Re: Re: 1.8 FOR HOW MUCH!?!?!
Not necessarily. If one company has a monopoly, you will pay extra for that company's products relative to the value that you get.
The reason everyone complains about this analogy is because it doesn't represent the facts. Here's a better analogy. You have one car which has a F1 engine and chassis, but a Kia interior. The other car has a Corvette engine and chassis, but a Benz interior. The F1 costs half the price. Now, as you can see, the more expensive car is not the better car in all respects. For some people, the Benz interior is worth the extra cost, even if the car is slower.
Not necessarily. If one company has a monopoly, you will pay extra for that company's products relative to the value that you get.
The reason everyone complains about this analogy is because it doesn't represent the facts. Here's a better analogy. You have one car which has a F1 engine and chassis, but a Kia interior. The other car has a Corvette engine and chassis, but a Benz interior. The F1 costs half the price. Now, as you can see, the more expensive car is not the better car in all respects. For some people, the Benz interior is worth the extra cost, even if the car is slower.
Yeah, I agree. For a June release, the pricing seemed relatively reasonable. Still on the high side, but reasonable. But now we are looking at September or October? I'm afraid the value proposition has degraded. The same computer at a later time...well, it is simply worth less than it was before. I was planning to order, but I think I will hold off for price cuts or perhaps this new 1.8 dual.
Yes, in fact I think the whole G5 lineup is targeted to performance-starved Mac users who have suffered long under the dominion of G4 obsolescence. There is a certain amount of desperation factored into the G5 pricing structure. This is one of the reasons I think I will wait a few months before purchasing.