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Dual 1.8GHz PowerMac Released
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The new dual 1.8 isn't the same price. It's about 100 Euro's more expensive. I wanted a single 1.8, can't afford more. Now the same setup, only with duals is about 100 Euro's more expensive :-(
And to make things worse, the 1.6 looks even worse now! If I confgure it to the same specs as for the dual 1.8 (only the proc is different), there is only a 300 Euro gap between the two! I think that's much to small a gap between the two. The 1.6 must come cheaper!
I think I'll wait till the new upgraded processors comes out and then buy a dual 1.8 or 2.0 with the price drop!
And to make things worse, the 1.6 looks even worse now! If I confgure it to the same specs as for the dual 1.8 (only the proc is different), there is only a 300 Euro gap between the two! I think that's much to small a gap between the two. The 1.6 must come cheaper!
I think I'll wait till the new upgraded processors comes out and then buy a dual 1.8 or 2.0 with the price drop!
Way to go Apple - I am buying the 1.8 dual
This is great,
I am a PC user and have been itching to get into a Mac.. Was going to get the Dual 2.0 but the Dual 1.8 works better for me. I was able to get the final cut express, warcraft III, and the applecare for the same price as the dual 2.0.
Macmall has them in stock (surprised since just announced). Made sure it was a dual 1.8 and not a single 1.8 and ordered.
Guess I will be visting this site more often
This is great,
I am a PC user and have been itching to get into a Mac.. Was going to get the Dual 2.0 but the Dual 1.8 works better for me. I was able to get the final cut express, warcraft III, and the applecare for the same price as the dual 2.0.
Macmall has them in stock (surprised since just announced). Made sure it was a dual 1.8 and not a single 1.8 and ordered.
Guess I will be visting this site more often
64-bit premises...
Unfortunately, OS X v10.3 does not take advantage of the 64-bit architecture, so the dependency has little to do with developers outside of Apple's OS group. Panther is essentially a 32-bit OS with PAE running on a 64-bit processor, which is unfortunate, and that is what it looks like from a developer's perspective.
I've made multiple complaints and requests to Apple about the lack of a 64-bit OS option for the G5 that hopefully will get turned into action sooner than later. Without a 64-bit version of OS X that we can target for our software applications, all of our big software systems have to run Linux on Opterons. Apple is selling hardware for which they provide no means for developers to actually use it in its native mode. Even if it breaks some amount of backward compatibility, this option should at least be available for developers and companies that need it. It is a simple recompile of the operating system (the internals are 64-bit clean), so it is little more than a marketing decision.
Unfortunately, OS X v10.3 does not take advantage of the 64-bit architecture, so the dependency has little to do with developers outside of Apple's OS group. Panther is essentially a 32-bit OS with PAE running on a 64-bit processor, which is unfortunate, and that is what it looks like from a developer's perspective.
I've made multiple complaints and requests to Apple about the lack of a 64-bit OS option for the G5 that hopefully will get turned into action sooner than later. Without a 64-bit version of OS X that we can target for our software applications, all of our big software systems have to run Linux on Opterons. Apple is selling hardware for which they provide no means for developers to actually use it in its native mode. Even if it breaks some amount of backward compatibility, this option should at least be available for developers and companies that need it. It is a simple recompile of the operating system (the internals are 64-bit clean), so it is little more than a marketing decision.
Re: 64-bit premises...
I may be wrong, but wouldn't OS X server be the first rendition of 64bit? That would make sense to me.
Every single set of benchmarks i have seen show a dramatic increase in speeds, across the board, between the single 1.8 and DP 2.0 machines, and very little difference between the 1.6 and the 1.8. From ripping a song in iTunes, to compressing an MPEG movie to playing Unreal Tournament, the 2.0 DP seems to do everything much quicker. I have to believe that this has a lot more to do with the 2 processors running together, and a lot less to do with the 200mhz difference between their clocks.
I would have to assume no matter what you're doing, you'd see a fairly decent increase in speed between the DP 1.8 and the single 1.8. I guess we'll have to wait till someone gets their hands on one to put up some scores.
Re: 64-bit premises...
You can run Linux on Apple Hardware BTW... I'm not certain which distribution of Yellowdog, Gentoo, PPCLinux, etc has the best support for 64bit PPC as yet but considering how IBM is preparing to release their Blades with PPC970 chips running Linux it must be one of them.
You can run Linux on Apple Hardware BTW... I'm not certain which distribution of Yellowdog, Gentoo, PPCLinux, etc has the best support for 64bit PPC as yet but considering how IBM is preparing to release their Blades with PPC970 chips running Linux it must be one of them.
G5 1.8 "rev. B"
Does anybody know if this is an actual "rev. b" in any way? I assume it's too soon to really tell, but perhaps somebody "on the inside" would know? I'm not really sure how many major hardware bugs the G5s have had, so far, but I've been waiting for a genuine rev. b before leaping in. I do know, for example, that there's an issue in the dual 2 gigs regarding a humming sound coming from the power supply (which, I'm sure, will eventually be replaced by Apple, since it's probably a capacitor that's not up to spec). Anyway, just wondering if anybody has low-level details on the new machines?
Does anybody know if this is an actual "rev. b" in any way? I assume it's too soon to really tell, but perhaps somebody "on the inside" would know? I'm not really sure how many major hardware bugs the G5s have had, so far, but I've been waiting for a genuine rev. b before leaping in. I do know, for example, that there's an issue in the dual 2 gigs regarding a humming sound coming from the power supply (which, I'm sure, will eventually be replaced by Apple, since it's probably a capacitor that's not up to spec). Anyway, just wondering if anybody has low-level details on the new machines?
G5 cont...
sorry, I should be clear... "some" G5 dual 2.0s have had the power supply issue -- not all of them. And, naturally, i've no idea whether apple will acknowledge it. I'm just guessing that they will. Either way, I know there was extensive rev. a B&W G3 craziness, as well as rev. a G4 350 issues... not so much fun for the "proud parents" of those machines.
sorry, I should be clear... "some" G5 dual 2.0s have had the power supply issue -- not all of them. And, naturally, i've no idea whether apple will acknowledge it. I'm just guessing that they will. Either way, I know there was extensive rev. a B&W G3 craziness, as well as rev. a G4 350 issues... not so much fun for the "proud parents" of those machines.
This is probably exactly what happened. They want to clear out supply or meet some quota that they set with IBM to make way for new procs come MWSF. The best way to do that was to make the 1.8 a dualie and cash in on the holiday buyers. A dual G5 starting at $2499, now that's a great deal.
Re: G5 1.8 "rev. B"
Although I am sure there are minor issues, I think it's obvious that the amount of time that Apple spent engineering this Rev A machine was greater than Rev A's of the past. It's a monument of industrial design, inside and out (although I concede that the outside is a matter of opinion).
Although I am sure there are minor issues, I think it's obvious that the amount of time that Apple spent engineering this Rev A machine was greater than Rev A's of the past. It's a monument of industrial design, inside and out (although I concede that the outside is a matter of opinion).
The former are encoding, which I included in my post, and which aren't really day to day use. The unreal tournament 2003 scores were due to horrible optimization. The latest patch just came out that increased single processor speeds by up to 25%... so UT wasn't the best test.
Now for real world use, you honestly won't see a difference, since most applications ignore the 2nd processor.
Well Boo Hoo I was off by $100, I'm sure people can find a single 1.8 G5 still sitting on the shelf and save themselves $100.
Now it's too expensive and you won't be able to afford Apple Care.
$100 for about a 50+% boost in app speed is nothing to sneeze at (shaving a bit off barefeats across the board G5 comparison test).
Not when it'll cost another $450 to get another 5-10% boost.
This new machine will likely become the bottom of the line in January. They're pbbly just trying to offload a bunch of these units at a decent price point before they become the low-end model.
January's lineup:
dual 1.8
dual 2.25
dual 2.5
just a guess.
January's lineup:
dual 1.8
dual 2.25
dual 2.5
just a guess.
Retailers in the U.S. anyway have already reduced the price by $300 on the remaining SP 1.8 PowerMacs down to $2,099. Why not pick up one of those? I know that Fry's for example almost always has some of the old closeout models laying around on clearance for a month or two after a system is revised. I would think it would be a similar situation in Europe too.
I'm thinking the 1.6 and 1.8 processors will make it into the consumer line and all the Powermacs will go from 2.0 up... Seems like what they've done in the past.Originally posted by e-coli
This new machine will likely become the bottom of the line in January. They're pbbly just trying to offload a bunch of these units at a decent price point before they become the low-end model.
January's lineup:
dual 1.8
dual 2.25
dual 2.5
just a guess.
Wow, with the educational discount, and sans the superdrive, the 1.6 G5 now comes in at just $1400. This is going to open possibilities of G5 ownership for a new range of folks. With a 17" studio display, it would be an even $ 2000, pretty reasonable for a lot of college students.
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Scap the 17" from Apple and get a really good 19" for almost the same money?
You can get a 19" Sceptre with 300nit 700:1 Contrast Ratio for $550- Best value for you money..
and you also will once more and more apps are optimzed to take advantage of both g5s and dual processors. and to many of us rendering and compressing are parts of daily life.
i just can't see how a dual 1.8 machine for $100 more won't give you marked performance that you will see on a daily basis. i think it's a great move on apple's part. and i think it will push a lot of people who were holding out on the 1.8s to buy one now.
I know, seriously dude. Open up a Terminal window and type in "ps -a". If you only see 1 process then you have no need for a dual processor. Otherwise you can take advantage of it.